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East Point housing: Today's line short -- and short-lived (Huge crowd for Section 8 application)
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | August 8, 2010 | MIke Morris & Rhonda Cook

Posted on 08/12/2010 4:35:29 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine

East Point residents began lining up to turn in Section 8 housing applications before daybreak Thursday, a day after a crowd of 30,000 mobbed a shopping center to pick up the forms.

This time, less than a dozen people were in line.

[Goes on to describe yesterday's chaos in the heat]

(Excerpt) Read more at ajc.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: atlanta; handouts; housing; section8
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Section 8 application handouts draw a huge crowd. Where to begin? It's hard times alright, but destroying another neighborhood with Section 8 vouchers doesn't help society. There goes the neighborhood... with the help of your tax dollars.
1 posted on 08/12/2010 4:35:31 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Shades of where Obama wants us all


2 posted on 08/12/2010 4:38:25 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I fear this is a sign of things to come in all major cities. Why can’t they allow people to just stay put instead of kicking people out of homes due to foreclosure and charge them what they can afford for the time being?


3 posted on 08/12/2010 4:45:30 AM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: hsmomx3

I saw video of this debacle. A mass of human failures. It looked like a scene from Ethiopia with the natives mobbing a food supply truck. It was disgusting and scary.


4 posted on 08/12/2010 4:54:03 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: screaminsunshine

I cannot even imagine!

I have a feeling this will happen in other cities as well as more and more people cannot pay their mortgages, get foreclosed upon, and have nowhere to go.


5 posted on 08/12/2010 4:57:42 AM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: screaminsunshine

I live in a rural area an hour from ATL. I cannot STAND Atlanta. I got lost downtown recently, and I couldn’t wait to get out of the place. Just the right match would inflame that powder keg. My husband thinks the Atlanta skyline is “beautiful,” but I view it as spearlike edifices jutting up from a concrete jungle.


6 posted on 08/12/2010 4:57:45 AM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: Pearls Before Swine

How did all these people get off work that day?
(sarcasm)


7 posted on 08/12/2010 4:57:51 AM PDT by SonnyBubba
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To: SonnyBubba

“How did all these people get off work that day?”

I don’t care who you are. That’s funny, right there.


8 posted on 08/12/2010 5:00:20 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: screaminsunshine

It was very scary - and really depressing. How in the world did we ever get to a state where we have mobs of American citizens (and I’d say they’re probably all native-born and raised, looking at them) clamoring for government housing?

I think Obama would like to see all of us in this position, frankly. This is also part of his income redistribution plan; many of the properties that are now being used as Section 8 housing are actually luxury homes and condos that have been bought by investors during the crash. The investors see renting them to the government as a great form of steady income. Needless to say, people in those neighborhoods who had bought and kept their homes are not happy, but that doesn’t matter because they’re probably all evil capitalists anyway.


9 posted on 08/12/2010 5:01:29 AM PDT by livius
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To: hsmomx3
Why can’t they allow people to just stay put instead of kicking people out of homes due to foreclosure and charge them what they can afford for the time being?

What about the rights of the mortgagees? Should their property interest be confiscated?

Now that government GSEs are writing 90% of mortgages, you may get that effect, anyway. The government would be the owner in the event of foreclosure, and by partially forgiving the mortgage (which is what letting the mortgagor stay with temporarily or permanently forgiven payments), would slowly convert the housing stock into government owned housing. Projects everywhere!

10 posted on 08/12/2010 5:02:31 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: hsmomx3
I think the section 8 is where the government pays for your rent. They were going to give out 62 permits for free rent and this huge mob of blacks showed up just to get an application. It was awful. I think these people are incapable of self sustenance.
11 posted on 08/12/2010 5:04:35 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: SonnyBubba
How did all these people get off work that day?

LOL!
12 posted on 08/12/2010 5:07:09 AM PDT by ZX12R (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!)
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To: hsmomx3

......Why can’t they allow people to just stay put.....

Because they are in effect occupying other peoples property. By not paying the due bills for rent or mortgage they are voiding their contracts with the other party.

The other party has no obligation to forgo payment so that someone else cam live beyond their ability to pay.

If you pay federal taxes your money will ultimately pay for many of these people to live.


13 posted on 08/12/2010 5:07:32 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: screaminsunshine
I think the section 8 is where the government pays for your rent. They were going to give out 62 permits ...

I didn't pick up the number of available slots, although the article does mention that 13,000 applications were handed out. When there are that few actual slots available, I don't believe the applications have anything to do with who wins. It's got to be personal contacts. I don't believe that the bureaucrats are going to wade through 13,000 applications in some merit-based evaluation process. Maybe it's something like "the thirteenth caller gets the freebie" announcement on the radio, which would be more fair than what I suspect actually happens.

14 posted on 08/12/2010 5:09:09 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

It turned into a mini Haiti!


15 posted on 08/12/2010 5:14:37 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: screaminsunshine

Section 8 is income-based. The government pays for part of your rent, based on what you earn (or don’t, as the case may be) and what the rent is. Some people get a full ride, and some (people who actually work, sadly in the vast minority) get only a percentage. What the tenant pays is based on 30% of your income.

Say your rent is $1395 a month. If you make, say, $2700 a month before taxes, you’d pay your landlord $810 and the government pays the other $585.


16 posted on 08/12/2010 5:14:42 AM PDT by hoagy62 (.)
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To: bert

Because they are in effect occupying other peoples property. By not paying the due bills for rent or mortgage they are voiding their contracts with the other party.

and Section 8 is occupying other people’s property with other people’s money.


17 posted on 08/12/2010 5:15:16 AM PDT by Chickensoup (I am absolutely done. I am a conservative libertarian.)
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To: hoagy62

Wow. Here I am living in a cheap 600 a month apartment and paying 20k a year in taxes so these parasites can live in luxury. No wonder all the Mexicans are sneaking in. This sucks! Like a bunch of hungry ticks. UGGHHH!


18 posted on 08/12/2010 5:20:26 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: Chickensoup

As I understand section 8, the renter pays and is subsidized. The owner gets paid. The property is not degraded by substandard occupants.


19 posted on 08/12/2010 5:22:07 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: bert

The problem is what those ‘substandard occupants’ DO to the property. Do they maintain it? Do they pick up trash or mow the yard? Do they invite their friends over and turn the place into a ‘party house’?

It all depends on the occupants and how they behave. Some can live next door to a Sec 8 recipient and you’d never know it because their behavior doesn’t suggest it. With others, you can tell right away simply by how the property is maintained.


20 posted on 08/12/2010 5:27:07 AM PDT by hoagy62 (.)
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To: hsmomx3
I fear this is a sign of things to come in all major cities. Why can’t they allow people to just stay put instead of kicking people out of homes due to foreclosure and charge them what they can afford for the time being?

As a long time renter, I say boot them out. The reason they are in trouble, is they are in way over their heads. It would seem to me it would be better to do a zero dump all and start over again in a trailer park or apartment. That is what most people had to do before the crisis hit.

21 posted on 08/12/2010 5:27:59 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: hoagy62

That is why I would NEVER agree to participate in Section 8

The tenant has NO responsibility for damage or maintenance of the property. So they trash it and then complain about slumlords and move on to a better place

The govt guarnatees a rent check, but the landlord is responsible for all damages after the locusts move on


22 posted on 08/12/2010 5:36:01 AM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Those entitled masses feeding from the government tit are going to be the zombies feeding on your neighborhood starting about a day after the government misses a payment to them.

Prepare accordingly because that day is fast approaching.


23 posted on 08/12/2010 5:38:35 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: spodefly
The truly epic/sad thing about this little vignette: There are MILLIONS of these folks in America. They are perfectly happy being parasites on the producers, and are very willing to augment their gov't handout by selling drugs, prostituting, etc.
Those entitled masses...are going to be the zombies feeding on your neighborhood starting about a day after the government misses a payment to them...
When you look at the big picture, it's almost as if the elites want to force a civil war in this country. The thing is, the media is already portraying us, the producers in society, as the evil ones, and the violent, racist, entitled parasites as "the noble poor".

Thus, not only are these ghettomericans our existential enemy, those at the top who are fomenting this crisis are the puppeteers, manipulating the strings in order to foment this crisis.

We have enemies above us and below us; we are surrounded. We are the new minority.

24 posted on 08/12/2010 5:48:55 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Yes but they parked their Lexus out of sight.


25 posted on 08/12/2010 5:52:24 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Yesterday's thread about this gathering of The Hopeless, complete with photos, is HERE.
26 posted on 08/12/2010 5:55:36 AM PDT by lwd
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To: SonnyBubba

Boy if this didn’t hit a nerve with me! My daughter lost her business last year... Due to circumstances, she ended up moving in with me. Took my daughter a little while, but she finally found a job .....the lady she replaced.....she had just quit this job the week before. WHY did she quit? Well, her section 8 housing came through for her! She told the boss she had been on the list for a “long time” and didnt want to lose out on getting a free place to live so she had to quit working. This happened last year......and I am STILL pissed every time I think about it. I am just as pissed at the boss for not turning this woman in. The more gov. hands out the freebies, the more moochers you get. Ugh....I want to scream...................


27 posted on 08/12/2010 5:57:38 AM PDT by bohica1
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To: lwd
Yesterday's thread...

Missed it...

28 posted on 08/12/2010 6:02:44 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: bohica1

Quit her job to take a Section 8 apartment... Too old to spank. Don’t feel too bad—at least she had a business before. Helping someone temporarily down on their luck doesn’t bother me, but in the crowd that showed up for these vouchers, I’d say she’d have been exceptional. The problem is that it’s almost impossible to screen the temporarily down on their luck deserving from the moochers, which is why the old ways, though hard, had merit.

I lived in Maine a few decades back. The town had a board of Selectmen. One of them had the traditional title, “Overseer of the Poor.” I know, it sounds like Vincent Price whipping the slaves in The Ten Commandments. In actuality it was a good system, and the name was just a leftover from a couple of generations before. If someone in the town was down on their luck, the Overseer would quietly go around to the fuel supplier and the general store, and say that the person’s bills were on the town until things looked up. However, if said person was a mooch, it would be known, and they could go fish, so to speak. A nice system, but impossible in our modern anonymity.

Funny thing, though, is that thousands of people were able to get up at 5 or 6 in the morning to line up for a long shot at a freebie, but by their looks, most of them wouldn’t be up that early otherwise.


29 posted on 08/12/2010 6:10:29 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: EVO X

I do not think it is entirely about being in over their heads. Unemployment has much to do with it.


30 posted on 08/12/2010 6:52:20 AM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: Pearls Before Swine

The Section 8 lady never had a business before. It was the poster’s daughter, who got a job working for another business because the woman who held the job before her - the Section 8 lady - had quit so that she could qualify for Section 8 (probably thereby paying virtually nothing for her housing).

People do quit their jobs (or work off the books) so that they can get government benefits.


31 posted on 08/12/2010 7:08:19 AM PDT by livius
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To: hsmomx3
I do not think it is entirely about being in over their heads. Unemployment has much to do with it.

If they lost their jobs and don't have any savings, then they are in over their heads. It is unfortunate that good people took on too much risk and the bottom fell out. In economic conditions like these, many people won't find new jobs at the old pay. The new pay won't support the old lifestyle.

32 posted on 08/12/2010 7:11:08 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: silverleaf

I had a friend who rented his townhouse to section 8 tenants. After they moved out he had 50,000 in repairs. He has to replace ALL the drywall, all the bathroom fixtures, etc. Saying they trashed the place would be kind. Of course the govt. doesn’t subsidize the repairs, he was out the money.


33 posted on 08/12/2010 7:16:14 AM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: livius
You are correct. This is a way for the Goverment to integrate Neighborhoods they deem to be too white. It's using your tax Dollars to promote diversity. It's a sham and a scam. Wait till the owners of these places see what these animals do to their property. Those section 8 dollars won't look so good then. Been there done that!
34 posted on 08/12/2010 7:16:28 AM PDT by ABN 505
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To: EVO X

One cannot assume that people were in over their heads to begin with.

We have a home, could pay the bills on time, every month, and then my husband lost his job well over one year ago.

We were able to pay the utilities, and make house payments that were less but we worked with the bank on this.

My husband was making under 30k at that job, and you are right, you will be lucky to make $8/hour these days.

Our lifestyle has not changed much because we could not do much to begin with. Unemployment has run its course and after September, who knows what will happen to my family.


35 posted on 08/12/2010 7:18:55 AM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: bohica1

Here’s how the Housing Choice Voucher program (Section 8) works:

Q.What are housing choice vouchers?

A. They are part of a federal government program that helps low-income families, the elderly and disabled be able to afford housing in the private market. Under the program, individuals and families are able to find their own housing, including single-family homes, town homes and apartments. They are not limited to public housing projects.

Q. How are they administered?

A. They’re administered locally by public housing agencies which receive money from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) to administer the voucher program.

Q. How do the housing subsidies work?

A. They’re paid directly to the landlord by the housing authority on behalf of the participants. The family then pay the difference between the actual rent charged by the landlord and the amount subsidized by the program. In some cases, if approved by the housing agency, a family may use its voucher to buy a modest home.

Q. Who is eligible?

A. Eligibility is determined by the public housing agency based on the total annual gross income and family size and is limited to U.S. citizens and specified categories of non-citizens who have eligible immigration status. In general, a family’s income can’t exceed 50 percent of the median income for the county or metro area in which the family chooses to live. The Marietta Housing Authority for instance will pay up to $1,054 for a three-bedroom house on behalf of a family.

Q. What information is used to determine eligibility?

A. The public housing agency collects information on family income, assets and family makeup. That information is then verified with the applicant’s employer and bank.

Source: hud.gov


36 posted on 08/12/2010 7:22:21 AM PDT by ABN 505
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To: bert
As I understand section 8, the renter pays and is subsidized. The owner gets paid. The property is not degraded by substandard occupants.

Perhaps, but from what I've seen/been told of Section 8 areas (coming near you soon), they sure as Hell degrade the neighborhood.

37 posted on 08/12/2010 7:46:37 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: hsmomx3
One cannot assume that people were in over their heads to begin with.

The past doesn't matter. What matters is now. Sounds to me like you have serious problems that you need to reckon with. Just curious, if your family's situation is so precarious why are you spending time on FR an not out working or looking for work?

38 posted on 08/12/2010 7:53:05 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: bert

Geeesshhh are you displaying some wishful thinking!
I lived next to a section 8 complex for five lonnnnnnggg years. People knocking on my door asking for handouts, one guy came up to my back door during a rainstorm trying to sell me a stolen lawn mower.
A steady parade of booming car stereos all night on Fridays, announcing their arrival to buy drugs. And trash!!!
Bottles, litter, and (my favorite) disposable diapers, complete with baby poop in my back yard.
The summer before I sold and moved out they arrested 22
people for drugs one weekend. Out of a 48 unit complex!
Section 8 sucks, the renters tend to suck, and the persons that own the properties are guaranteed a reserved place in hell ( Which would be like living next to their rentals ).


39 posted on 08/12/2010 7:59:29 AM PDT by son of awcomeonnow
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To: silverleaf
That is why I would NEVER agree to participate in Section 8

The problem is, if you have rental properties, eventually you won't have a choice but to participate. I thought about buying some rental properties, but knowing what the future is, I am backing out.

40 posted on 08/12/2010 8:03:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: EVO X

I have been up since 2AM looking and applying online.

The way it is done around here is to visit the company web site and apply. Very time consuming but I also receive several emails giving me long lists of supposed jobs that are available.

I have gone on interviews and have watched people enter and ask for an application. The people were told this is all done online and to use their computer or they can do this in their home.


41 posted on 08/12/2010 10:47:42 AM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: hsmomx3
I have been up since 2AM looking and applying online.

Best of luck on your search. I can sympathize. I've gone through both a lengthy job search and a 1/3 cut in pay in the past.

42 posted on 08/12/2010 12:08:29 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: livius

After years of following politics I have developed a Machiavelian mind. What if these people are being guided to Atlanta in order to boost the democrat voting population in that city? Call it gerrymandering inreverse, moving the people instead of the district lines. In recent years many whites have been moving in Atlanta and they are changing the black political power structure of the city. Hmmm....


43 posted on 08/12/2010 2:15:52 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Watched the video. Didn’t see one woman who didn’t have her hair and nails done. I’ve never seen a woman in the local grocery store who was buying with an EBT card who didn’t have her hair and nails done.


44 posted on 08/12/2010 3:15:32 PM PDT by Excellence ("A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.")
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Section 8 housing. Coming soon to a neighborhood near you. In fact it might be your own neighborhood


45 posted on 08/12/2010 3:17:19 PM PDT by dennisw (2012)
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To: dennisw
Section 8 housing. Coming soon to a neighborhood near you. In fact it might be your own neighborhood.

It can't happen here (to quote Frank Zappa).

Come to think of it, I have another house I'm having difficulty selling.... I wonder if it could be rented... Don't worry, I don't feel the pull of the dark side, but that must be how it starts.

46 posted on 08/12/2010 3:25:17 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: cradle of freedom

I think Barry wants to get his homies into every politically important place in the country, even if that means luring them with free housing. There’s also a special mortgage program for non-citizens that he just put into effect - it doesn’t require an SS number on any of the documents, but only a bank account number. Incredible.


47 posted on 08/12/2010 3:33:36 PM PDT by livius
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Your dilemma will soon be solved when Comrade 0bongo mandates that all owners of empty rental units must take applications from Section 8 Comrades


48 posted on 08/12/2010 3:33:53 PM PDT by dennisw (2012)
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To: livius

That mortgage program has been in place since Clinton which is why we have a real estate/banking collapse. These subprime mortgage loans where given to illegal aliens using the TIN (tax identity number), people on welfare, people collecting unemployment checks, no down payment necessary. If you want to read what this did to the banks read “The Trillion Dollar Meltdown” by Charles R. Morris. The banks had a name for these loans “toxic waste”. They tried to minimize the damage by chopping up mortgages and combining them with other mortgages in “tranches”. The bad mortgages were sold all around the world. If someone had deliberately wanted to take down the world economy (think Cloward-Piven) they couldn’t have done a better job. All because the Democrats under Clinton thought that anyone with a pulse should be able to own a home.


49 posted on 08/12/2010 5:50:30 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: dennisw

Here in Massachusetts we are going to vote on the 40B question this November. Fourty B is a law that was passed some years ago which requires that every town have a certain percentage of moderate income housing. Builders can run roughshod over the wishes of the neighbors as long as they build some “affordable housing.”

There is no end to their social engineering. Think of all of the billions of dollars in subsidized housing that has been built since the forties. They brainwashed a nation into thinking that it was the government’s job to provide housing. The free market provides all the housing we need. People with less money will live in cheaper older housing but they do have housing that suits their income level.


50 posted on 08/12/2010 6:05:15 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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