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Turks Hit PKK With Chemical Weapons
The Jerusalem Post ^ | 12 Aug 2010 | Benjamin Weinthal

Posted on 08/12/2010 6:41:07 PM PDT by edpc

Report: German newspaper says photos of dead Kurds confirm use.

BERLIN – German politicians called on Thursday for an international investigation into the reported use of chemical weapons by the Turkish military. The weapons were used against members of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), according to the online edition of the German weekly magazine Der Spiegel.

“Turkey needs to urgently look into these accusations,” said Ruprecht Polenz, chairman of the Foreign Affairs committee in the Bundestag and a member of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union party.

Polenz recommended an international investigation to examine the deaths of eight Kurdish activists from the PKK. Claudia Roth, co-chair of the German Green party, echoed Polenz’s criticisms, seconding his call for an investigation.

MP Andrej Hunko urged the German Foreign Ministry to file a complaint against Turkey with the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons in The Hague.

A forensic report from Hamburg University Hospital confirmed that the eight Kurds had been murdered by “the use of chemical substances.”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: kurds; middleeast; turkey; wmd
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Extremely troubling if proven true.
1 posted on 08/12/2010 6:41:11 PM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc

Turkey has gone crazy.


2 posted on 08/12/2010 6:42:16 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: edpc

Genocide is not a new concept for Turks.


3 posted on 08/12/2010 6:43:13 PM PDT by True_Kon
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To: True_Kon

“Genocide is not a new concept for Turks.”

No kidding.


4 posted on 08/12/2010 6:45:02 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: xzins

They want to bring back the Ottoman Empire. Europe be afraid.


5 posted on 08/12/2010 6:45:44 PM PDT by pankot
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To: True_Kon

YUP! Here we go again.

Those poor Kurds—they can’t catch a break.

The Turks are looking for trouble.


6 posted on 08/12/2010 6:45:55 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama on The View: "When those folks came over on 9-11". Folks??? WTH?)
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To: edpc

Wasn’t there recently a big push to make Turkey part of NATO??? I think we now see why there was opposition...


7 posted on 08/12/2010 6:46:12 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: TheBattman

They’ve been a member for decades.


8 posted on 08/12/2010 6:47:32 PM PDT by edpc (Ruck Famadan)
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To: edpc
The bodies in the photos were severely deformed and torn to pieces;

Chemical weapons are infamous for this.

9 posted on 08/12/2010 6:48:43 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: Palladin
Both Iraq and Afghanistan should have been divided along ethnic lines and set to killing each other.

The message should have been: You f with us, and we will track you, personally, down and kill you. And your country will simply cease to exist.

It would have been especially appropriate in the case of Iraq, as Turkey wouldn't allow us to stage from their territory, and there is nothing Turkey fears more than an independent Kurdistan on their border.

It would have been a suitable reward for their "help"...

10 posted on 08/12/2010 6:49:40 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 565 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: xzins

The radical Muslims are in power. That old time religion of bloody hunger follows every time. That is what all the hate Israel was about. The Turks are going to cause Europe a major problem if they keep it up. They know all of Europe’s defenses.


11 posted on 08/12/2010 6:53:18 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: edpc
It's what Muslims do...

Whatever the most gruesome way to kill, they will choose it.

Ultimately, they are ALL terrorists at heart.

12 posted on 08/12/2010 6:53:58 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: TheBattman

It wasn’t NATO, it was a member of the EU. Turkey has been a member of NATO for a long time.


13 posted on 08/12/2010 6:54:09 PM PDT by McGavin999 (I'm sorry, your race card is overdrawn and no further charges can be accepted)
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To: edpc
Are the Turks so weak they have to use cem-weps on a

ragtag bunch of Kurds ?...

14 posted on 08/12/2010 6:58:17 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: sionnsar

I am assuming you were being sarcastic. The article doesn’t say what method was used in the “forensic” study by the university. Seems like this could be easily determined, so I remain skeptical of the initial report until confirmed....despite Turkey’s history with acts of genocide.


15 posted on 08/12/2010 7:01:40 PM PDT by edpc (Ruck Famadan)
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To: McGavin999

We don’t need them in Nato anymore, they served their purpose with the jupiter missiles but this nonsense isn’t needed anymore.


16 posted on 08/12/2010 7:02:56 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: edpc
If the Germans are calling you out for using chemical weapons on civilians *cough* Auschwitz *cough*, it must be serious...

NO cheers, unfortunately.

17 posted on 08/12/2010 7:04:43 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: xzins
"Turkey has gone crazy."

It's certainly headed that direction. There is a significant portion of the population that while they may call themselves "Muslim", they're really not any religion at all. And, those people just want to live life in the most "western" style possible. Unfortunately, the Islamacists are really starting to win. What happened to Lebanon in the 70s, could easily happen to Turkey soon, if it isn't happening already.

I was at Incirlik Air Base in the late 80s, and then again back in 2008 and some opportunity to travel around a little. The difference was remarkable - for the worse.

18 posted on 08/12/2010 7:06:09 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: null and void

Agree.

We don’t belong in that part of the world trying to “build nations” for barbarians.


19 posted on 08/12/2010 7:08:10 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama on The View: "When those folks came over on 9-11". Folks??? WTH?)
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To: grey_whiskers

Yes, they’d know....since they were the ones who first employed it for modern warfare during WWI.


20 posted on 08/12/2010 7:08:41 PM PDT by edpc (Ruck Famadan)
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To: edpc

Troubling. The PKK is a pretty nasty terrorist organization in its own right, but then again Turkey is transforming itself into an islamist state, supporting Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah. Echoing Kissinger, “couldn’t they both lose?”


21 posted on 08/12/2010 7:10:55 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: sionnsar
i saw that too... they also classify WP as a chemical weapon
22 posted on 08/12/2010 7:11:31 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: OldDeckHand

Friend and her husband retired there. Beautiful area but I worry for them.


23 posted on 08/12/2010 7:11:35 PM PDT by Chickensoup (I am absolutely done. I am a conservative libertarian.)
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To: Palladin
We don’t belong in that part of the world....

We probably wouldn't be at all concerned with the ME if it weren't for the discovery of oil. It's like some cosmic joke such large reserves are there.

And it's not funny.

24 posted on 08/12/2010 7:11:40 PM PDT by edpc (Ruck Famadan)
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To: xzins

And we are leaving Iraq, and turning a blind eye to the events in Turkey.

UH HUH.
Don’t even think about sending our troops back in when all hell breaks loose.


25 posted on 08/12/2010 7:11:49 PM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: sionnsar

Really? I was not aware chemical weapons tear people to pieces. That’s rather strange.

Chemical weapons can cause skin boils/damage but they do not ‘tear’ peaple to pieces. Depending on the toxin used, there could potentially be little or no external damage to the bodies. The nerve gasses just shut down muscle function.


26 posted on 08/12/2010 7:25:50 PM PDT by farlander (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: sionnsar

Yeah, if CW can do that, I want some for when the SHTF.


27 posted on 08/12/2010 7:28:46 PM PDT by PLMerite (The FR clock is now three minutes fast.)
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To: True_Kon

“Genocide is not a new concept for Turks”

Troublemaking is not a new concept for Kurds.


28 posted on 08/12/2010 7:30:43 PM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: Chode
they also classify WP as a chemical weapon

WordPress?!

29 posted on 08/12/2010 7:39:21 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: True_Kon

Ruh-roh...


30 posted on 08/12/2010 7:48:16 PM PDT by pingman (Price is what you pay, value is what you get.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
white phosphors
31 posted on 08/12/2010 7:53:50 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Yeah...are we just talking white phosphorous munitions? It’s a chemical sure...but come on, that’s a stretch, all munitions have chemicals that burn, some faster than others.


32 posted on 08/12/2010 8:00:59 PM PDT by reardensteel
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To: Tolsti2

I agree, they have proven themselves to be unworthy when they failed to help with the Iraq invasion. There were many of our military who did not come home thanks to them.


33 posted on 08/12/2010 8:15:11 PM PDT by McGavin999 (I'm sorry, your race card is overdrawn and no further charges can be accepted)
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To: edpc

The ethnic difference between Turks and Kurds & the totalitarianism trend by the Turks to impose upon the Kurds. The provocation of Israeli security sources and Edrogan’s constant looking-for to severe Israel, proves them to be leaning more towards Islamofascism and away from Ataturk.


34 posted on 08/12/2010 8:36:34 PM PDT by Righting
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To: reardensteel
true but the RAT left calls WP a chemical weapon and tried to crucify Israel for using it...
35 posted on 08/12/2010 8:40:43 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: grey_whiskers

Germans never used battlefield chem weapons. They tossed their Tabun into the Oder in 1945 before the Red Army got hold of it.


36 posted on 08/12/2010 9:03:23 PM PDT by rahbert (If there's no umlaut, is it really uber?)
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To: rahbert
Aye, but they did use poisons on civilians.

NO Cheers, unfortunately.

37 posted on 08/12/2010 9:35:13 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: reardensteel

IIRC, leftists also consider tear gas a “chemical weapon.”


38 posted on 08/12/2010 9:56:52 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: OldDeckHand
It was going on in 85. They take it serious in the boonies.
39 posted on 08/12/2010 11:06:56 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: pankot
One thingI recently discovered, over 2 million Europeans own homes in Turkey. Most are from Germany but also many from the UK, especially from Scotland.

They may discover that Turkey really is a gas!

40 posted on 08/12/2010 11:20:34 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_thela_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: edpc

The last country that used WMD’s against Kurds was Iraq. May Turkey suffer the same fate.


41 posted on 08/12/2010 11:32:34 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: Kevmo
Hey,Kev,,,Long time no see`um,,,

This story just don't smell rite,,,

From what I could find the Turks could overrun the Kurds

in a few days,,,MAX,,,

“Army
Main article: Turkish Army

Turkey signed a memorandum of understanding to order an initial batch of 116+8 F-35 Lightning IIThe Turkish Army is one of the largest standing armies in the world and the second largest army of NATO.[6][7] The Turkish Army can deploy a sizable Army Corps to conduct joint operations at short notice.[33] The Army can conduct air assault operations with a lift capability of up to six battalions at a time, day and night.[33]

The modern Turkish Army has its foundations in remnants of the Ottoman forces inherited after the fall of the Ottoman Empire at the end of World War I, though official sources - the Commandership of Land Forces and others - date its founding to Mete Khan in 209 BC.[34] The rise of Turkish nationalism in Anatolia, under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, led eventually to victory in the Turkish War of Independence, and subsequently to the founding of the Republic of Turkey, when these remnant forces were reorganized into the modern Turkish Army.[35]

The Turkish Army has around 402,000 active personnel.”
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Why would the Turks bother with gas when they could just

take out the Kurds in one sweep,,,?...

42 posted on 08/13/2010 12:21:36 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: farlander
Really? I was not aware chemical weapons tear people to pieces. That’s rather strange.

A bombardment containing both chem and explosives would. Chem weapons to make defenders try to leave their positions to get away, then hit with explosives when they're out in the open running from the chem attack.

43 posted on 08/13/2010 5:51:56 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: edpc
PKK is a marxist-separatist group, a terrorist organization, not your everyday Kurd

(If that makes a difference)

More info here - http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/pkk.htm

44 posted on 08/13/2010 6:14:15 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: KosmicKitty

I’ve read the background on the PPK. Not defending them, at all. Mainly, I am more concerned with the potential use of chemical weapons by the Turks, who have become more bellicose and unpredictable recently under the current leadership.


45 posted on 08/13/2010 6:23:31 AM PDT by edpc (Ruck Famadan)
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To: edpc

Chemical weapons are very dangerous. Agree on concerns over their use. Just clarifying that the target is a dangerous group, not Sunday school teachers :-)


46 posted on 08/13/2010 6:46:57 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Candor7
One thingI recently discovered, over 2 million Europeans own homes in Turkey.

Yeah, and 99.9% of those "Europeans" are...surprise!...Turks!

47 posted on 08/13/2010 8:41:28 AM PDT by Moltke (panem et circenses)
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Not really, most of them are native Europeans, seriously. I first came across the pheomenon in Glasgow, Scotland.Its the allure of cheap real estate, beaches, and low cost living.


48 posted on 08/13/2010 8:53:04 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_thela_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7

Hmmm...now I’m surprised. I know a lot of Turks move back to Turkey for retirement or when they’ve looted enough in Europe.

Tried to find some hard numbers for Europeans moving to Turkey, but no luck. Got a link? 2 million seems a lot.


49 posted on 08/13/2010 9:51:13 AM PDT by Moltke (panem et circenses)
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To: edpc

This is BS.


50 posted on 08/13/2010 10:23:43 AM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice)
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