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States look at license plate cameras as new cash cow
Timesnews.net ^ | 08/12/2010 | Timesnews.net

Posted on 08/12/2010 7:41:02 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

When Martin O’Malley became Maryland’s governor in 2007, one of his first moves was to double the number of cameras used to spy on cars. The cameras, stationed at toll booths and parking garages and mounted on police cars, scan license plate numbers and instantly match them with a database for tracking stolen cars.

The sort of “Big Brother” criticism one might expect of a program like this never materialized in a substantial way. There’s a good reason for that: The rate of vehicle theft in Maryland has plummeted to its lowest level since the state began collecting data in 1975. Last week, O’Malley pledged to add 100 more license-plate cameras to Maryland’s arsenal.

A very different story is unfolding in neighboring Pennsylvania. When Governor Ed Rendell recently proposed using the tag readers to crack down on a separate problem — uninsured and unregistered drivers — the plan sparked waves of protest. A key difference is that Rendell has been playing up the idea of using the cameras to raise revenue from fining drivers. Rendell says Pennsylvania stands to pocket $115 million a year.


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1 posted on 08/12/2010 7:41:04 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I have no problem with the cops using them to scan tag and automatically check to see if the car is stolen, that’s actually a great use.

But we all knew it was just a matter of time before the politicians would figure out they could issue tickets to expired tags...


2 posted on 08/12/2010 7:42:25 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Sure beats going after serious crime /s


3 posted on 08/12/2010 7:45:09 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: mylife

It is so easy, why not?


4 posted on 08/12/2010 7:47:20 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

They claim it was for P safety. Yeah right, ofcourse it has always been about $$$$$$$$$. If a pol is involved you can bet it will be abused.


5 posted on 08/12/2010 7:47:42 PM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Photoblocker spray, reflects radar photo flash, $19.95.

6 posted on 08/12/2010 7:48:37 PM PDT by SouthDixie (The secret to staying young is to live honestly, eat slowly and lie about your age.)
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To: wally_bert

Dont get me started LoL


7 posted on 08/12/2010 7:48:57 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: SouthDixie

God Bless American Entrepreneurs!


8 posted on 08/12/2010 7:51:03 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: mylife

Trust me, I hate and despise scammeras and the people who want them a great deal. May they all be outlawed after CW/RW II if it goes that far.


9 posted on 08/12/2010 7:52:46 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Over the last year here in LA they’ve been putting in high cost parking meters. I have learned to carry around two rolls of quarters as most are quarters only. Some take credit cards.


10 posted on 08/12/2010 7:53:41 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

Soon, you’ll be able to plug the meter for time to park, and plug your car in to the meter. Expect to pay through the nose for both.

The insanity that is CA.


11 posted on 08/12/2010 7:56:42 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: BunnySlippers

Soon, you’ll be able to plug the meter for time to park, and plug your car in to the meter. Expect to pay through the nose for both.

The insanity that is CA.


12 posted on 08/12/2010 7:56:42 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
i saw a Sheriff car the other day with cameras/radar/whatever on both rear fenders facing out 45deg
13 posted on 08/12/2010 8:00:11 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I see nothing wrong with the government fining the living crap out of people who do not maintain proper registration or insurance on cars either. If I have to pay for these things, so should other drivers.


14 posted on 08/12/2010 8:05:34 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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If I have to pay for these things, so should other drivers.

Ah but your insurance rates are reputed to go up because of 'uninsured drivers.' But if uninsured drivers do not and will never buy insurance then why are you willing to pay higher and higher premiums? It's the same with gun laws. Those that ignore the law have the least to worry about.

15 posted on 08/12/2010 8:09:48 PM PDT by relictele (Me lumen vos umbra regit)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
I have no problem with the cops using them to scan tag and automatically check to see if the car is stolen, that’s actually a great use.

But we all knew it was just a matter of time before the politicians would figure out they could issue tickets to expired tags...

In Fairfax County, VA they are linking all kinds of databases to the cameras. Eventually, they say, it will even be tied to the library database to see if you have overdue books [no joke] ...

16 posted on 08/12/2010 8:23:00 PM PDT by Lmo56 (</i><p>)
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To: relictele; pnh102
I sure hope that none of the people they catch are illegal aliens.

Then they might have to deport them and lose votes in the next election.

17 posted on 08/12/2010 8:24:08 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: SouthDixie

BTTT, gotta investigate product mentioned in #6.


18 posted on 08/12/2010 8:26:18 PM PDT by Emile ("Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." -- A. Huxley)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

One of the big reasons there was such a fuss in PA about the tag readers was because many of the illegals in Delaware and NJ go to PA to get their tags. We have hordes of PA tagged cars around apartments in upper Delaware. Of course , our Dem. administration in this state turns a blind eye to it all.


19 posted on 08/12/2010 8:28:39 PM PDT by Hartlyboy
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To: SouthDixie

Too bad that stuff is just a scam.


20 posted on 08/12/2010 8:35:18 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: pnh102
I see nothing wrong with the government fining the living crap out of people who do not maintain proper registration or insurance on cars either. If I have to pay for these things, so should other drivers.

So you support the IRS enforcement of Obama's healthcare?

21 posted on 08/12/2010 8:37:05 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: pnh102
I see nothing wrong with the government fining the living crap out of people who do not maintain proper registration or insurance on cars either. If I have to pay for these things, so should other drivers.

I see nothing wrong with the government fining the living crap out of people who do not maintain proper HEALTH INSURANCE or insurance on their lives either. If I have to pay for these things, so should others. There ought to be a law requiring this. Oh wait a minute...UH nevermind... I think I made my point.

Vehicle registration is simply a wheel tax and nothing more. Most states don't even care if your address is valid as long as you pay. Just ask any illegal alien driving on tags with a bogus address. For a responsible person purchasing liability insurance is common sense. For the not so responsible persons? Writing more laws won't matter taking their license usually won't matter either. Holding them financially responsible the rest of their lives for damages would work. More intrusive laws into law abiding persons lives however will not.

22 posted on 08/12/2010 8:44:11 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Lmo56
Local VA cop with trunk mounted tag reader cameras.
23 posted on 08/12/2010 8:49:20 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: cva66snipe
I see nothing wrong with the government fining the living crap out of people who do not maintain proper HEALTH INSURANCE or insurance on their lives either. If I have to pay for these things, so should others. There ought to be a law requiring this. Oh wait a minute...UH nevermind... I think I made my point.

No you didn't. No one is forced to drive a car.

And secondly, do you think it is a good idea to let people drive around a large piece of metal, the incorrect operation of which tends to result in death or major property damage, without having some way to pay for it?

24 posted on 08/12/2010 8:52:17 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: relictele
Ah but your insurance rates are reputed to go up because of 'uninsured drivers.'

Maryland tends to be very anal about enforcing auto insurance laws. Much more than Penna., and as I've lived in both states, and have seen how much less car insurance in metro DC costs than in metro Philadelphia, I will continue to prefer the heavy-handed approach taken to insurance scofflaws as long as they choose to drive without following the rules.

25 posted on 08/12/2010 8:55:23 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
So you support the IRS enforcement of Obama's healthcare?

Again, no one is forced to drive. If you do not like paying for auto insurance, maintaining a current registration and inspection/emissions requirements on a car, then driving should not be a chosen activity for you. It is reasonable to expect that if someone crashes a car into you, that he should have some way to pay for the damage caused.

It sure sounds like you and other people here have bought into 0bama's ridiculous and inane comparison of health insurance to auto insurance. Surely you all know better than that.

26 posted on 08/12/2010 8:58:01 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102
No you didn't. No one is forced to drive a car.

Unless you live in a city or town? Yes most must drive a car. Horses on the road {require no license} are too dangerous. So are bicycles for that matter where I live. But still some insist on endangering theirs and other lives and they don't have a drivers license nor insurance for wrecks they cause now do they? You'll find them riding on two lanes {no wide shoulder} rated for 45 MPH and above speed limits.

And secondly, do you think it is a good idea to let people drive around a large piece of metal, the incorrect operation of which tends to result in death or major property damage, without having some way to pay for it?

Where did I say that? What did I say? I said they should be held accountable financially for the rest of their lives for any damages they cause. Vehicle Registration is not proof of ones abilities to operate a vehicle in any shape or form. :>} Any adult with drivers license or not can own a vehicle in all 50 states I think. Registration is simply a tax. One of many taxes actually government has for use of the road. Let's see there's tire taxes, gasoline taxes, mileage taxes on commercial vehicles, toll roads, state inspection stickers, city or county wheel tax stickers, and that's just starting.

To cover my own losses in event of a MVA I have liability and uninsured motorist as well as additional full coverage on one vehicle. Should my insurer have the right to collect what they pay out for me from an uninsured motorist at fault? Yes by all means. Better them than me as courts and lawyers make me sick anyway. They make me about as sick as insurance companies who push most of our Nanny State Big Brother Laws to start with.

27 posted on 08/12/2010 9:17:35 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
The cameras, stationed at toll booths and parking garages and mounted on police cars, scan license plate numbers and instantly match them with a database for tracking stolen cars.

BS. TOTAL BS.

A scan to OCR (which is how they can run a database on the info) can be run on any damn database they want and the criteria for the query can be any damn thing they select.

"match them with a database for tracking stolen cars. "

Yea right. Once they ID the owner of the plates they can search databases for anything, voter registration, firearms licenses, hunting licenses, credit cards, ANYTHING.

The abuse is just waiting to happen.

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28 posted on 08/12/2010 9:24:32 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

” it was just a matter of time before the politicians would figure out they could issue tickets to expired tags...”

They have had units using this in Port Arthur, Texas over a year now..... old news.
They need these in Az as soon as 1071 is restored, then things get accelerated!


29 posted on 08/12/2010 10:28:24 PM PDT by brickdds
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I have no problem with the cops using them to scan tag and automatically check to see if the car is stolen, that’s actually a great use.<<<

UGGGGGGGGG!..Ill stop now..maintain 1000 feet....OVER!


30 posted on 08/12/2010 10:29:45 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

If i were a clever car thief, I might do something like switch the stolen car’s plate(s) with those on a car sitting in some long term parking lot.


31 posted on 08/13/2010 12:33:44 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It’s a good thing no un-clever car thieves read FR, as I sometimes have to park in long-term parking, and you might have just given one of them an idea.


32 posted on 08/13/2010 12:37:55 AM PDT by Chunga (I Have Supported J.D. Since The Day He Announced)
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I’ve been told long ago that it’s always wise to verify periodically (like every time you return to your vehicle) that the plates on your car or truck are indeed yours. If they are ever not, notify police as soon as possible. (However don’t make the mistake of getting in somebody else’s car by mistake because it looks similar, was parked nearby, and was left unlocked.)


33 posted on 08/13/2010 2:26:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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(However don’t make the mistake of getting in somebody else’s car by mistake because it looks similar, was parked nearby, and was left unlocked.)

Or your key just happens to work.

Happened to me once. Saw "my" car (correct make, model and color), unlocked it, got in -- and noticed something about the interior was different. Checked the plate: it was somebody else's car.

34 posted on 08/13/2010 11:13:20 AM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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