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Climatologist Warns Of Second Dust Bowl In Growing Southwest Desert
The Business Insider ^ | 8-13-2010 | Gus Lubin

Posted on 08/13/2010 11:45:20 AM PDT by blam

Climatologist Warns Of Second Dust Bowl In Growing Southwest Desert

Gus Lubin
Aug. 13, 2010, 11:43 AM

A climatologist at Columbia University says the Southwest looks forward to "permanent drought" conditions on par with the Dust Bowl of the 1930s.

Arizona was already an arid and hot, but here's how Professor Richard Seager says it will get worse.

Grist:

A critical player in this drying cycle is the planetary-scale circulation system known as the Hadley cell... The Hadley cell is growing. Its expansion above a larger swath of the American Southwest, along with a shifting of the jet stream and many storms northward, is a worrisome trend, says Seager. It means there is little chance that the Southwest can avoid becoming drier in the coming decades. In fact, when Seager's team analyzed some 49 computer projections of the region's likely future climate, using 19 major climate models, all but three scenarios agreed: drought ahead.

Will a growing desert cut away property values in the Southwest? Maybe not, but it will increase air conditioning costs and devastate whatever agriculture there is.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climate; depression; doommonger; dustbowl; recession
If it's not one thing, it's another.
1 posted on 08/13/2010 11:45:24 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

We had one during the last psycho progressive president why not one now...it completely fits!!!


2 posted on 08/13/2010 11:46:09 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: blam

America faces a growing threat from alarmists.


3 posted on 08/13/2010 11:51:04 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: blam

The Hadley Cell does appear to be growing. But, using climate models to make predictions is not just bad science, it shows a complete lack of understanding of the capabilities and limitations of models and simulations.


4 posted on 08/13/2010 11:52:40 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: blam

Climatologists are not good historians. The Dust Bowl of the 30s occurred as a result of several factors. Drought, yes, but primarily as a result of the farming practices adopted in the region when it was settled. The farming methods in use destroyed all of the original topsoil. Enter a drought and high winds, and everything blows away. That is hardly the case in the Southwest Desert. While there is some agriculture, the vast majority of the region is still in its natural state.


5 posted on 08/13/2010 11:52:42 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: surfer

... and just in time for the Second Great Depression!


6 posted on 08/13/2010 11:53:50 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: blam

Will someone please post the “Aw geez, not this s*it again picture. It is required for this thread.


7 posted on 08/13/2010 11:54:01 AM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: surfer

That was my thought. What’s a depression without a dust bowl?

It’s like a football game without a halftime show, or a baseball game without a 7th inning stretch.


8 posted on 08/13/2010 11:54:12 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: blam

Permanent Drought in the Desert?

Is The Onion out there acquiring news sites again?


9 posted on 08/13/2010 11:54:33 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: blam

The ‘climatologist’ have been wrong about everything so far - I have to assume this guy’s wrong about this too...


10 posted on 08/13/2010 11:55:21 AM PDT by GOPJ (Asked for ZIP? Give 82224 - Lost Springs,Wy - most sparsely populated in country. Freeper:SamAdams)
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To: blam

And a thousand years ago it was greener than it is today.

Also, someone might want to point out that the dust bowl was only partially caused by weather. It had a lot to do with overfarming with wheat only, poor soil conservation methods, and a lack of windbreaks.


11 posted on 08/13/2010 11:55:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: JaguarXKE
Not the original, but still good.


12 posted on 08/13/2010 11:57:02 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: blam

**** The Hadley cell is growing. Its expansion above a larger swath of the American Southwest,****

Nothing new. A drought lasting over twenty five years caused a migration out of Chaco Canyon, Mesa Verde areas long before the evil WHITE MAN invented coal fired power plants and gas powered SUVs.


13 posted on 08/13/2010 11:57:04 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Viva los SB 1070)
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To: blam

Is Algore one of his advisers??

:-)

This stuff is just getting old!!


14 posted on 08/13/2010 12:04:55 PM PDT by DustyMoment
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
What A Quoting Red Foreman “ Dumb Ass”’

We had so much rain last winter several days you could drive down to town because there was 1-2 feet of water running over the two roads into town.

15 posted on 08/13/2010 12:06:31 PM PDT by troy McClure
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To: blam

Living intthe arid SW you know that drought is normal. My husband, literally, did not see rain until he was 5 years old, a few sprinkles but not rain. I do remember my first snow that year too.

In the 30s it was awful from what I hear from the old folks, better in the 40s, horrible in the 50s...it goes on and on sometimes it rains, sometimes it doesn’t but you learn to live with it. There are cycles and we know a lot more about drought than we did in the 30s and there aren’t as many cattle on the range either.


16 posted on 08/13/2010 12:09:55 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
"Nothing new. A drought lasting over twenty five years caused a migration out of Chaco Canyon, Mesa Verde areas long before the evil WHITE MAN invented coal fired power plants and gas powered SUVs."

That's exactly correct, then the Japanese came.

The Zuni Enigma

17 posted on 08/13/2010 12:11:02 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

There was a dust bowl before “global warming”?


18 posted on 08/13/2010 12:11:32 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Chump Obama promised "Change" and we got chump change.)
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To: blam

If it is permanent, then wouldn’t it be worse this time?

If it was permanent last time, why are we saying it is happening again?

Why use the work permanent at all since the climate is constantly changing?

OH NO!!! ANOTHER CRISIS!!!


19 posted on 08/13/2010 12:12:07 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (FDR had the New Deal. President 0bama has the Raw Deal.)
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To: blam

I’ve got a theory about the Great Big Dust Bowl, but I don’t know whether the theory holds any water but here it is. The theory is based on one thing leading to another. The first thing that happen was there was a trade embargo passed by either Hoover or Roosevelt,(I don’t know my total history of that time period) but anyway that leads to farmers getting rid of most of their farm animals that didn’t have any value anymore and went ahead and put their fields to grain which had more value, instead of rotating them with the farm animals. With that there was no restoration of the land, Also with the loss of the animals they lost their natural fertilizer they were using for their crops, so that added to the problem, I’m sure this isn’t the total reason for the big dust bowl but my gut feeling it was a major player in the lead up to the Big Dust Bowl. What do you all think of this theory.


20 posted on 08/13/2010 12:14:48 PM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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To: blam
Waistin' away again, in Obamaville...

21 posted on 08/13/2010 12:15:22 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: blam

The left had better hope there is not another Dust Bowl especially in Arizona or Oklahoma.

All those conservatives in those two red states just might be migrating to blue states like Oregon and Washington....where all the water is.


22 posted on 08/13/2010 12:22:22 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Le Chien Rouge
In Las Vegas we have gone 134 days without any measurable percipitation. So what else is new.?
23 posted on 08/13/2010 12:28:04 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 ("He will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live only for themselves' Romans 2:8)
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To: ReformedBeckite
"What do you all think of this theory."

In an ideal world, one theory is no better than another.

(ahem)

24 posted on 08/13/2010 12:39:35 PM PDT by blam
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To: La Lydia

The blessing that came with the loss of the topsoil with the wind was that all sorts of arrowheads and Indian tools showed up on the top of the remaining soil.


25 posted on 08/13/2010 12:40:33 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: blam

How about a huge pipe line pumping river water from the east into our dry lake beds?


26 posted on 08/13/2010 12:45:55 PM PDT by eccentric
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To: eccentric
How about a huge pipe line pumping river water from the east into our dry lake beds?

Trying to take other people's water is a great way to provoke lots of flying lead.

27 posted on 08/13/2010 12:52:17 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: eccentric
"How about a huge pipe line pumping river water from the east into our dry lake beds?"

I like the idea of a big canal coming from Canada.

28 posted on 08/13/2010 12:52:34 PM PDT by blam
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To: eccentric

How about building 20 nuclear plants and desalinate ocean water at the same time we shore up our stretched energy supplies?


29 posted on 08/13/2010 12:53:58 PM PDT by listenhillary (When will our government stop abusing us and stop hurting our children?)
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To: blam

“If it’s not one thing, it’s another.”

And if that isn’t bad enough, everyone there eventually dies. Guaranteed.


30 posted on 08/13/2010 1:15:23 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: blam

North Africa used to be the southern end of the Fertile Crescent...they’re still finding abandoned cities buried in the sand...

This guy is a professor at the Columbia school of commies, and his rhetoric certainly reflects it...control, control, control...but you can’t control the climate, you just adapt to it..even dumb arse fire ants will move out of an area of heavily watered lawn, and they will move into your house to get water...

And as somebody else said, these scientists that can’t even tell us for sure whether it’s going to rain or tornado tomorrow cannot convince me they have all the answers to climate movement or changes in the long term.


31 posted on 08/13/2010 1:18:05 PM PDT by RowdyFFC (.)
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To: Only1choice____Freedom

And if it’s permanent, why is he “looking forward” to it?


32 posted on 08/13/2010 1:19:09 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I heard a scientist say that 1000 years ago there was a 60 year drought in AZ. She said, “I hope I never live to see that.” 1000 years - also before coal and SUV.


33 posted on 08/13/2010 1:23:27 PM PDT by q_an_a (a)
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To: blam

The Zunis, didn’t do much good fighting off those pesky Spaniards, with Samauri swords did they!

And their bows weren’t Bushido bows were they?


34 posted on 08/13/2010 1:42:09 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Viva los SB 1070)
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To: ReformedBeckite

I’ve got a theory about the Great Big Dust Bowl, but I don’t know whether the theory holds any water but here it is. The theory is based on one thing leading to another. The first thing that happen was there was a trade embargo passed by either Hoover or Roosevelt,(I don’t know my total history of that time period) but anyway that leads to farmers getting rid of most of their farm animals that didn’t have any value anymore and went ahead and put their fields to grain which had more value, instead of rotating them with the farm animals. With that there was no restoration of the land, Also with the loss of the animals they lost their natural fertilizer they were using for their crops, so that added to the problem, I’m sure this isn’t the total reason for the big dust bowl but my gut feeling it was a major player in the lead up to the Big Dust Bowl. What do you all think of this theory.


Actually, there was mass overproduction of crops worldwide...mainly in the Western Hemisphere....just after WW I. It caused farm prices worldwide to drop....and hit South America hard in the early to mid 1920’s. Eventually, the over-production caught up with the US and Canada...and as the world economy fell into the late 20’s and early 30’s....the over-production became worse.

Farmers then cut back on production....taking many fields out of service. Fields not tended...ended up getting blown away during the dust bowl...eventually taking producing farms with it.

The Smoot-Hawley tariff did not cause the Dust Bowl, nor the Great Depression, nor anything else (I think you were going in that direction). The “Smoot-Hawley Caused The Great Depression” myth is about as asinine as the Global Warming Hoax


35 posted on 08/13/2010 1:53:03 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (JD for Senate ..... jdforsenate.com. You either voting for JD, or voting for the Liberal...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
"The Zunis, didn’t do much good fighting off those pesky Spaniards, with Samauri swords did they!"

It wasn't the 'Samurai Japanese' who came.

The Samurai And The Ainu

36 posted on 08/13/2010 3:09:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
In fact, when Seager's team analyzed some 49 computer projections of the region's likely future climate, using 19 major climate models, all but three scenarios agreed: drought ahead.

I hope their climate models are more accurate than those being used to push the notion of human caused global warming.

37 posted on 08/13/2010 3:49:24 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
The Smoot-Hawley tariff did not cause the Dust Bowl, nor the Great Depression, nor anything else (I think you were going in that direction). The “Smoot-Hawley Caused The Great Depression” myth is about as asinine as the Global Warming Hoax

Yeah embarrassingly that is what I was thinking but only out of ignorance. That leaving fields unplanted makes a lot of sense especially if they were out west where the wind blows and the land if flat.

38 posted on 08/13/2010 4:18:51 PM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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To: cripplecreek

Are the overfarming and soil conservation techniques better? I’ve done some historical reading, but don’t know how it is now...


39 posted on 08/14/2010 9:56:28 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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