Skip to comments.Climatologist Warns Of Second Dust Bowl In Growing Southwest Desert
Posted on 08/13/2010 11:45:20 AM PDT by blam
Climatologist Warns Of Second Dust Bowl In Growing Southwest Desert
Aug. 13, 2010, 11:43 AM
A climatologist at Columbia University says the Southwest looks forward to "permanent drought" conditions on par with the Dust Bowl of the 1930s.
Arizona was already an arid and hot, but here's how Professor Richard Seager says it will get worse.
A critical player in this drying cycle is the planetary-scale circulation system known as the Hadley cell... The Hadley cell is growing. Its expansion above a larger swath of the American Southwest, along with a shifting of the jet stream and many storms northward, is a worrisome trend, says Seager. It means there is little chance that the Southwest can avoid becoming drier in the coming decades. In fact, when Seager's team analyzed some 49 computer projections of the region's likely future climate, using 19 major climate models, all but three scenarios agreed: drought ahead.
Will a growing desert cut away property values in the Southwest? Maybe not, but it will increase air conditioning costs and devastate whatever agriculture there is.
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We had one during the last psycho progressive president why not one now...it completely fits!!!
America faces a growing threat from alarmists.
The Hadley Cell does appear to be growing. But, using climate models to make predictions is not just bad science, it shows a complete lack of understanding of the capabilities and limitations of models and simulations.
Climatologists are not good historians. The Dust Bowl of the 30s occurred as a result of several factors. Drought, yes, but primarily as a result of the farming practices adopted in the region when it was settled. The farming methods in use destroyed all of the original topsoil. Enter a drought and high winds, and everything blows away. That is hardly the case in the Southwest Desert. While there is some agriculture, the vast majority of the region is still in its natural state.
... and just in time for the Second Great Depression!
Will someone please post the “Aw geez, not this s*it again picture. It is required for this thread.
That was my thought. What’s a depression without a dust bowl?
It’s like a football game without a halftime show, or a baseball game without a 7th inning stretch.
Permanent Drought in the Desert?
Is The Onion out there acquiring news sites again?
The ‘climatologist’ have been wrong about everything so far - I have to assume this guy’s wrong about this too...
And a thousand years ago it was greener than it is today.
Also, someone might want to point out that the dust bowl was only partially caused by weather. It had a lot to do with overfarming with wheat only, poor soil conservation methods, and a lack of windbreaks.
**** The Hadley cell is growing. Its expansion above a larger swath of the American Southwest,****
Nothing new. A drought lasting over twenty five years caused a migration out of Chaco Canyon, Mesa Verde areas long before the evil WHITE MAN invented coal fired power plants and gas powered SUVs.
Is Algore one of his advisers??
This stuff is just getting old!!
We had so much rain last winter several days you could drive down to town because there was 1-2 feet of water running over the two roads into town.
Living intthe arid SW you know that drought is normal. My husband, literally, did not see rain until he was 5 years old, a few sprinkles but not rain. I do remember my first snow that year too.
In the 30s it was awful from what I hear from the old folks, better in the 40s, horrible in the 50s...it goes on and on sometimes it rains, sometimes it doesn’t but you learn to live with it. There are cycles and we know a lot more about drought than we did in the 30s and there aren’t as many cattle on the range either.
That's exactly correct, then the Japanese came.
There was a dust bowl before “global warming”?
If it is permanent, then wouldn’t it be worse this time?
If it was permanent last time, why are we saying it is happening again?
Why use the work permanent at all since the climate is constantly changing?
OH NO!!! ANOTHER CRISIS!!!
I’ve got a theory about the Great Big Dust Bowl, but I don’t know whether the theory holds any water but here it is. The theory is based on one thing leading to another. The first thing that happen was there was a trade embargo passed by either Hoover or Roosevelt,(I don’t know my total history of that time period) but anyway that leads to farmers getting rid of most of their farm animals that didn’t have any value anymore and went ahead and put their fields to grain which had more value, instead of rotating them with the farm animals. With that there was no restoration of the land, Also with the loss of the animals they lost their natural fertilizer they were using for their crops, so that added to the problem, I’m sure this isn’t the total reason for the big dust bowl but my gut feeling it was a major player in the lead up to the Big Dust Bowl. What do you all think of this theory.
The left had better hope there is not another Dust Bowl especially in Arizona or Oklahoma.
All those conservatives in those two red states just might be migrating to blue states like Oregon and Washington....where all the water is.
In an ideal world, one theory is no better than another.
The blessing that came with the loss of the topsoil with the wind was that all sorts of arrowheads and Indian tools showed up on the top of the remaining soil.
How about a huge pipe line pumping river water from the east into our dry lake beds?
Trying to take other people's water is a great way to provoke lots of flying lead.
I like the idea of a big canal coming from Canada.
How about building 20 nuclear plants and desalinate ocean water at the same time we shore up our stretched energy supplies?
“If it’s not one thing, it’s another.”
And if that isn’t bad enough, everyone there eventually dies. Guaranteed.
North Africa used to be the southern end of the Fertile Crescent...they’re still finding abandoned cities buried in the sand...
This guy is a professor at the Columbia school of commies, and his rhetoric certainly reflects it...control, control, control...but you can’t control the climate, you just adapt to it..even dumb arse fire ants will move out of an area of heavily watered lawn, and they will move into your house to get water...
And as somebody else said, these scientists that can’t even tell us for sure whether it’s going to rain or tornado tomorrow cannot convince me they have all the answers to climate movement or changes in the long term.
And if it’s permanent, why is he “looking forward” to it?
I heard a scientist say that 1000 years ago there was a 60 year drought in AZ. She said, “I hope I never live to see that.” 1000 years - also before coal and SUV.
The Zunis, didn’t do much good fighting off those pesky Spaniards, with Samauri swords did they!
And their bows weren’t Bushido bows were they?
Ive got a theory about the Great Big Dust Bowl, but I dont know whether the theory holds any water but here it is. The theory is based on one thing leading to another. The first thing that happen was there was a trade embargo passed by either Hoover or Roosevelt,(I dont know my total history of that time period) but anyway that leads to farmers getting rid of most of their farm animals that didnt have any value anymore and went ahead and put their fields to grain which had more value, instead of rotating them with the farm animals. With that there was no restoration of the land, Also with the loss of the animals they lost their natural fertilizer they were using for their crops, so that added to the problem, Im sure this isnt the total reason for the big dust bowl but my gut feeling it was a major player in the lead up to the Big Dust Bowl. What do you all think of this theory.
Farmers then cut back on production....taking many fields out of service. Fields not tended...ended up getting blown away during the dust bowl...eventually taking producing farms with it.
The Smoot-Hawley tariff did not cause the Dust Bowl, nor the Great Depression, nor anything else (I think you were going in that direction). The “Smoot-Hawley Caused The Great Depression” myth is about as asinine as the Global Warming Hoax
It wasn't the 'Samurai Japanese' who came.
I hope their climate models are more accurate than those being used to push the notion of human caused global warming.
Yeah embarrassingly that is what I was thinking but only out of ignorance. That leaving fields unplanted makes a lot of sense especially if they were out west where the wind blows and the land if flat.
Are the overfarming and soil conservation techniques better? I’ve done some historical reading, but don’t know how it is now...