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The Transformation of the American Conservative Movement into Fascism [mega barf]
Veterans Today ^ | 10 Aug 2010 | Posted by Michael Leon

Posted on 08/13/2010 12:27:36 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Editor’s Note: The following is the new epilogue from Max Blumenthal’s book, Republican Gomorrah, now out in paperback (Basic/Nation Books, 2009).

I am not sure when I first detected the noxious fumes that would envelop the conservative movement in the Obama era. It might have been early on, in April 2009, when I visited a series of gun shows in rural California and Nevada. Perusing tables piled high with high-caliber semi-automatic weapons and chatting with anyone in my vicinity, I heard urgent warnings of mass roundups, concentration camps, and a socialist government in Washington. “These people that are purchasing these guns are people that are worried about what’s going on in this country,” a gun dealer told me outside a show in Reno. “Good luck Obama,” a young gun enthusiast remarked to me. “We outnumber him 100 to 1.” At this time, the Tea Party movement had not even registered on the national media’s radar.

In September 2009, I led a panel discussion about this book inside an auditorium filled with nearly 100 students and faculty at the University of California-Riverside. Beside me sat Jonathan Walton, an African-American professor of religious studies and prolific writer, and Mark Takano, an erudite, openly gay former Democratic congressional candidate and local community college trustee.

In the middle of our discussion, a dozen College Republicans stormed the front of the stage with signs denouncing me as a “left-wing hack” while a hysterical young man leaped from the crowd, blowing kisses mockingly at Takano while heckling Walton as a “racist.” Afterward, university police officers insisted on escorting me to my ride after the right-wing heckler attempted to follow me as he shouted threats.

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1 posted on 08/13/2010 12:27:39 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Sorry, the only fascists are on the LEFT.

They are the collectivists, the central planners, the rule by the few over the many, they are the fascists.


2 posted on 08/13/2010 12:28:36 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: smokingfrog
In the middle of our discussion, a dozen College Republicans stormed the front of the stage with signs denouncing me as a “left-wing hack"...

Sounds like they got it right.

3 posted on 08/13/2010 12:29:04 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: smokingfrog
Not quite as violent an environment as Ann Coulter faces anytime there are Democrats in the audience, but maybe this puke is just a sensitive soul.

Frankly, I think he's a Fascist Pig in drag.

4 posted on 08/13/2010 12:30:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: smokingfrog

The left is totally discombobulated when their own tactics are used against them.


5 posted on 08/13/2010 12:32:23 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: smokingfrog
I heard urgent warnings of mass roundups, concentration camps

He heard this walking around any Democrat gathering in the Bush years.

6 posted on 08/13/2010 12:32:24 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("Fanaticism is described as redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim."-G. Santayana)
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To: smokingfrog

fascism is a brand of socialism


7 posted on 08/13/2010 12:32:34 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: smokingfrog

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascism

Fascism
n.
1. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3. ( initial capital letter ) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.


Which is The Party that keeps calling for more controls on industry and commerce?


8 posted on 08/13/2010 12:33:44 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: smokingfrog

How about what happened to the founder of the Minutemen when he tried to give a speech when inited to do so at Colombia. They literally stormed the stage and ran him out of the building.


9 posted on 08/13/2010 12:34:06 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: smokingfrog

Is this the soaps actor?


10 posted on 08/13/2010 12:34:32 PM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: smokingfrog
Michael, michael...

The idiots who have been using the word "fascist" for decades, every other sentence, haven't the slightest clue what it means.

Looks like you don't either.

Google Fascism for Dummies...

11 posted on 08/13/2010 12:34:58 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: smokingfrog

I imagine that Mr. Blumenthal routinely denounces as fascists the left wing groups that have been completely shutting down speakers and cnferences (often by low level violence, like when they threw pig blood at Contra leader Adolfo Callero in 1985 at Northwestern.)


12 posted on 08/13/2010 12:35:21 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: smokingfrog

Funny, how the writer quotes Sartre, who was the head of the French Maoist party.


13 posted on 08/13/2010 12:35:46 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: smokingfrog

Apparently this guy:
Michael Leon is a writer living in Madison, Wisconsin. His writing has appeared nationally in The Progressive, The Advocate, In These Times and CounterPunch, and locally in Madison in the Isthmus, the Capital Times and Corporate Report Wisconsin. Leon works as a staff writer, editor and veterans’ advocate at Veterans Today, and as a writer/editor and PR consultant based out of Madison.


14 posted on 08/13/2010 12:36:13 PM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: circlecity

How about when the Code Pinko member infiltrated the GOP convention and interrupted John McCain’s acceptance speech?

How about when the DNC brownshirts were outside the 2008 GOP convention with firebombs, plotting to set fire to police cars (with police in them) and kidnap delegates and the PRO-bama media kept quiet about the conspiracy, prosecution, and conviction of the Rats?


15 posted on 08/13/2010 12:36:19 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: Marty62

Writer for the Advocate. Another member of the Lavender Mafia? Gaystapo?


16 posted on 08/13/2010 12:37:02 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: smokingfrog

Max Blumenthal is projecting again.


17 posted on 08/13/2010 12:38:25 PM PDT by kb2614 (Cheer up, for the worst is yet to come!)
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To: MrB

The word “facism” was coined by Mussolini who was a nationalist socialist like Hitler. It comes from the Latin word “fasces” the bundle of rods that was the Roman symbol of authority. These dumb ass leftists are ignorami.


18 posted on 08/13/2010 12:38:53 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: smokingfrog
In September 2009, I led a panel discussion about this book inside an auditorium filled with nearly 100 students and faculty at the University of California-Riverside.

Oh please. The LECTURE halls at Riverside are designed to hold over 200+ students. I doubt that an auditorium with 100 people doesn't even come close to being "filled". He could have had this discussion with ten tables pushed together in the Student Union. I'd like to Google this incident and see if it really happened as he says it did.

19 posted on 08/13/2010 12:39:09 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Ronald Reagan: "our liberal friends....know so much that isn't so...")
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To: smokingfrog
In the middle of our discussion, a dozen Democrat homosexuals pretending to be College Republicans stormed the front of the stage to help me sell books
20 posted on 08/13/2010 12:39:12 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Chump Obama promised "Change" and we got chump change.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Thanks for fixing that.

= )


21 posted on 08/13/2010 12:40:50 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: smokingfrog

Godwin’s law-you lose!


22 posted on 08/13/2010 12:41:15 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: smokingfrog

In the last 100 years Marxists are responsible for many more deaths than fascists. Furhtermore, Marxists tend to kill their own people. Neither group is desirable, but fascists have killed far fewer.


23 posted on 08/13/2010 12:41:55 PM PDT by matt1234 (The only crisis 0bama can manage is one he intentionally created.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Here's another definition :

Throughout world history, people seeking dominion over other people have always claimed that their desire for ultimate power served some greater common good.

Yeah.
And it has a precise name.

Fascism

It is impossible to grasp the true concept of Fascism without returning to an age of clarity and facts vs opinion and editorializing; before personal definitions, euphemisms, the puerile, self-serving age of "depends of what the definition of "is", is.
According to the Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Collier-Macmillan, Volumes 3-4, 1967, pp182-183 et seq.:

...whereas Liberalism, socialism, democracy, and the other progressive movements of the nineteenth century had asserted the rights of man, the selfish claims of the individual, Fascism sought, instead, to uphold the moral integrity and higher collective purpose of the nation. And whereas liberalism saw the state simply as an institution created to protect men's rights, fascism looked on the state as an organic entity which embodied in itself all the noblest spiritual reality of the people as a whole. Fascism opposed the laissez-faire economics of the capitalism and the bourgeois ethos which went with it. But fascism equally opposed socialism, which preached class war and trade unionism and thus served only to divide the nation. Fascism could tolerate no organized sectional groups which stood outside the state, for such groups pressed the supposed interests of some against the true interests of all...
... fascism set up corporations which were designed to integrate the interests of particular trades, industries, professions and the like into the wider harmony of the state.

Doesn't that sound precisely like what's been happening for the last nineteen months?

24 posted on 08/13/2010 12:41:58 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: smokingfrog

http://www.bashamandcornell.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/MaxBlumenthalFeather.jpg

Looks just like his gutter snipe sperm donor aka father.

Max - Jew hater

In 2009, Max Blumenthal published a video report entitled “Feeling the Hate in Jerusalem on the Eve of Obama’s Cairo Address”


25 posted on 08/13/2010 12:42:40 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: smokingfrog
Morons. Hayek well covered this. The following quote is the third one on my FR profile page.
Although our modern socialists' promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under "communism" and "fascism." As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939, "the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany."

No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.

-- F.A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
And that "liberal of the old type", "who really believes in individual freedom" is what we would call today a Conservative. The Left had not co-opted the word Liberal yet, when Hayek was writing.
26 posted on 08/13/2010 12:43:13 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: circlecity
How about what happened to the founder of the Minutemen when he tried to give a speech when inited to do so at Columbia. They literally stormed the stage and ran him out of the building.

Going by their own definition, fascist all...!

Are these people all retarded, on drugs or what?

27 posted on 08/13/2010 12:44:33 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: smokingfrog

Says the party of government-run healthcare and government-run everything. The same party that uses the label “hate” to regulate speech with which it disagrees.


28 posted on 08/13/2010 12:46:18 PM PDT by Julia H. (Freedom of speech and freedom from criticism are mutually exclusive.)
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To: a fool in paradise
How about when the DNC brownshirts were outside the 2008 GOP convention with firebombs, plotting to set fire to police cars (with police in them) and kidnap delegates and the PRO-bama media kept quiet about the conspiracy, prosecution, and conviction of the Rats?

OK, I missed that one; as mentioned, it was never reported, that I remember, at least the prosecution and conviction part; not even by FOX.

I would be gateful for any links and articles about the perps who were prosecuted, convicted and sentenced.

Thanks in advance.

29 posted on 08/13/2010 12:48:46 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: a fool in paradise
How about when the DNC brownshirts were outside the 2008 GOP convention with firebombs, plotting to set fire to police cars (with police in them) and kidnap delegates and the PRO-bama media kept quiet about the conspiracy, prosecution, and conviction of the Rats?

OK, I missed that one; as mentioned, it was never reported, that I remember, at least the prosecution and conviction part; not even by FOX.

I would be gateful for any links and articles about the perps who were prosecuted, convicted and sentenced.

Thanks in advance.

30 posted on 08/13/2010 12:48:55 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: smokingfrog

Max Blumenthal is a senior writer for The Daily Beast and contributor to outlets including The Nation, Al Jazeera English, Salon.com, Alternet, the Huffington Post, and the Washington Monthly


31 posted on 08/13/2010 12:51:05 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: forgotten man
The word “facism” was coined by Mussolini who was a nationalist socialist like Hitler. It comes from the Latin word “fasces” the bundle of rods that was the Roman symbol of authority. These dumb ass leftists are ignorami.

They're not stupid. They misrepresent the word fascism on purpose. It's all very similar to the way they stole the word "liberal" from its classic meaning and molded it to fit their agenda.

If the practice weren't so sinister and destructive, I'd almost have to give the left kudos for their expert manipulation of language.

32 posted on 08/13/2010 12:51:33 PM PDT by AngryJawa (Obama's Success is America's Failure)
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To: AngryJawa

misrepresent the word fascism on purpose
expert manipulation of language


See if this fits...

John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


33 posted on 08/13/2010 12:53:46 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: GeronL

Socialism leads to fasism. most definitely


34 posted on 08/13/2010 12:54:17 PM PDT by mel
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To: GeronL

Socialism leads to fasism. most definitely


35 posted on 08/13/2010 12:54:17 PM PDT by mel
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To: Publius6961; smokingfrog
Always remember, you don't have to be a member of a Fascist political party to opt for fascist solutions or methods.

Leftwingtards get real excited when they encounter what they believe to be a misuse of the term "fascist" or "fascism" and demand that you debase yourself in some manner, maybe even submit to a public confession.

They are, after all, the world's foremost experts in the theory and practice of Fascism.

36 posted on 08/13/2010 12:54:17 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GeronL

Socialism leads to fasism. most definitely


37 posted on 08/13/2010 12:54:17 PM PDT by mel
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To: smokingfrog

Max, the spawn of Sid “Vicious” Blumenthal – he who attempted to ruin Monica Lewinsky’s life by falsely portraying her as Bill Clinton’s “stalker.”

Salon has already corrected his initial attempt to paint James O’Keefe as a White Nationalist.  They corrected his baseless assertion that O’Keefe planned the “Race and Conservatism” forum held at Georgetown Law Center, but he continues to hold that James O’Keefe is a racist, and that he was in some way involved with the “execution” of the forum.

http://bigjournalism.com/abreitbart/2010/02/24/max-blumenthal-youre-being-booger-boarded/


38 posted on 08/13/2010 12:57:10 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: mel

Socialism must be implemented by the threat of deadly force,
because no one will voluntarily cooperate by giving according to their ability when everyone else is taking more than they’re giving.

Everyone will do the minimum required to keep the whip off their back.


39 posted on 08/13/2010 12:58:41 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: smokingfrog

The cowardly bed-wetting liberals can sling the sh!t, but they sure can’t take it when it’s their turn.


40 posted on 08/13/2010 1:02:46 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Publius6961

There are plenty on this list:

ONE MORE POSTING OF “THE VIOLENCE LIST” . . . PLEASE USE IT
Posted on Friday, March 26, 2010 8:12:31 PM by MrChips
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2480860/posts

And this one:
Recent Left Wing Threats of Violence (Let’s Document Them)
03/25/10 | Reaganesque
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2479643/posts

The incident I was thinking of can be found within the thread for the second “list”:

Texas Man Sentenced for Possessing Molotov Cocktails During Republican National Convention
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS248104+14-May-2009+PRN20090514

Woman accused of threatening bomb-plot informant
A Texas woman faces trial this month in Austin on charges she threatened to kill a government informant who infiltrated an Austin-based group that planned to bomb the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn., last fall.
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/2009/08/24/0824kibby.html

There is more to read up on it, but that will give you some of the names.

I believe there is tape of one of the leaders saying he was okay with it if some cops got torched while their police cars burned up. And not sure where you need to look to find the details on the kidnapping plot.

Nope. The media couldn’t cover any of this in 2008. Not while they were busy covering UP Obama’s past.


41 posted on 08/13/2010 1:02:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: smokingfrog

These idiots don’t even know what fascism is. For that, they should ask their idol, Barry.


42 posted on 08/13/2010 1:03:09 PM PDT by livius
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To: smokingfrog

BASIC ALINSKY-Accuse “Them” of what you yourself are doing...

The Democrats have jumped headlong in to making America a Fascist State, and they try to call US Fascists.

And it says a LOT about the education level of the average American, that they think they can get by with it...


43 posted on 08/13/2010 1:08:24 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: TexasRepublic

Max Blumenthal’s “truth”

“Consider what is happening in Lubbock, Texas, where gonorrhea rates among young women have exploded to twice the national average despite–or because of–the fact that abstinence education is mandated in public schools. Or consider a recent congressional study of adolescent behavior, Add Health, revealing that white evangelical women lose their virginity on average at age sixteen, younger than any group besides black Protestants. These are the facts on the ground in Palin”

This is the son of the CREEP who told us Monica was a stalker and was lying about Clinton!


44 posted on 08/13/2010 1:10:59 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: smokingfrog

Max Blumenthal is flat out an idiot....his book will sell ohhhhhhhh about as well as James Carville’s “40 more years of Democratic Party Dominance” has...... =.=


45 posted on 08/13/2010 1:15:20 PM PDT by cranked
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To: cranked
I like this book review from Amazon.

Max attempts to use a few extreme examples to tar and feather everyone in the conservative movement. The 31 yr old man-child who has ridden his daddy's connections to notoriety is obviously a student of Saul Alinsky. Cherry picking over the history of the last decade and ignoring inconvenient facts Max has produced a work that Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of. To call it a piece of fetid dung would be an insult to the ignoble beast that put more effort into their product.

46 posted on 08/13/2010 1:46:14 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Now 100% flag free.)
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To: smokingfrog

Nice try commie


47 posted on 08/13/2010 1:46:49 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (We are our founding fathers keepers)
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To: smokingfrog
This requires a rewrite make it more accurate:

I am not sure when I first detected the righteous indignation that would envelop the conservative movement in the Obama era. It might have been early on, in April 2009, when I visited a series of gun shows in rural California and Nevada. Perusing tables piled high with high-caliber semi-automatic weapons and chatting with anyone in my vicinity, I heard urgent warnings of mass roundups. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

“These people that are purchasing these guns are people that are worried about what’s going on in this country,” a gun dealer told me outside a show in Reno. “Good luck Obama,” a young gun enthusiast remarked to me. “We outnumber him 300 million to 1.” At this time, the Tea Party movement had not even registered on the national media’s radar.

In September 2009, I led a panel discussion about this book inside an auditorium filled with nearly 100 students and faculty at the University of California-Riverside all carefully screened to make certain that they agree with the leftist agenda . Beside me sat Jonathan Walton, an African-American professor of quasi-religious studies and prolific writer, and Mark Takano, an erudite, openly gay former Democratic congressional candidate and local community college trustee.

I was feeling very sleepy at the time. In the middle of our discussion, a dozen College Republicans stormed the front of the stage with signs denouncing me as a “left-wing hack” while a hysterical young man leaped from the crowd, blowing kisses mockingly at Takano while heckling Walton as a “racist.” Afterward, university police officers insisted on escorting me to my ride after the right-wing heckler attempted to follow me as he shouted threats. …and then I woke up in a cold sweat and thought, “What if this really happened?!” So I decided to write this story…

There, fixed it.

48 posted on 08/13/2010 1:48:46 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: smokingfrog

socialism and fascism are one and the same. Only the left is similar to both. The left is dictatorial.


49 posted on 08/13/2010 1:50:07 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: a fool in paradise

*Fascism
n.
1. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3. ( initial capital letter ) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.*

Looks like the White House scores 100% on all counts except for “emphasizing an aggressive nationalism”


50 posted on 08/13/2010 1:51:38 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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