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A rising tide of Nativism washes over U.S. (911 Mosque and Arizona show we're bigots)
The Los Angeles Times ^ | August 14, 2010 | Tim Rutten

Posted on 08/13/2010 5:28:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Anti-Muslim hysteria and animosity toward undocumented immigrants are grim reminders of the Nativist movement that roiled national and state politics for more than 120 years.

Two millenniums ago, an itinerant young Galilean teacher with a fondness for parables told one of his audiences that no sensible person ever would pour new wine into old wineskins. The skins, after all, would burst, and ruin would follow.

It's an apt metaphor for this increasingly frenzied and foolish moment in our history. Rising tides of anti-Muslim hysteria and animosity toward undocumented immigrants, most of whom are Latinos (the bitter new wine), have conjoined and are forcing us toward an eerie recapitulation of the Nativist movements (the dreary old skin) that roiled our nation's national and state politics for more than 120 years. Ever since 9/11, a sensible rejection of Salafism and other variants of politicized Islamic neo-fundamentalism has been given way in many quarters to a generalized antipathy to Islam itself. Step by step, that prejudice is migrating into the political mainstream, a process that has accelerated with the controversy over a proposed Islamic study center a few blocks from ground zero.

This week, for example, Bryan Fischer, director of issue analysis at the American Family Assn., wrote that 1st Amendment guarantees of religious freedom do not apply to Muslims and that no more mosques should be constructed anywhere in America. As he told a reporter for a leading political website (talkingpointsmemo.com), every single mosque is a potential terrorist training center or recruitment center for jihad and thus "you cannot claim 1st Amendment protections if your religious organization is engaged in subversive activities."(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arizona; groundzeromosque; illegalaliens; immigration
Has Tim been living in a cave since the seventies?
1 posted on 08/13/2010 5:28:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We are now known as a nation of Neanderthal racists and bigots... so ok world... we are soooooo bad. Now stay the **** out of our Country!

LLS

2 posted on 08/13/2010 5:30:58 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

SO then Mexico is more bigoted because if you are caught
as an undocumented (=illegal) person there you are thrown in prison and then deported.


3 posted on 08/13/2010 5:31:07 PM PDT by Undocumented_capitalist (Pure is the enemy of good...waiting for pure to happen will always end in dispair!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Tim Rutten is a treacherous bigot, and should be run out of town ASAP, tar and feathering being option if time would permit!


4 posted on 08/13/2010 5:31:30 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

yeah, we’re bad because we love our country and don’t want to see it turned into some third world crap hole by people that have no clue what it means to be an American.


5 posted on 08/13/2010 5:31:39 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Too Funny......
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/lou-dobbs-blasts-la-times-media-critic-tim-rutten/13537e548845c6be813613537e548845c6be8136-168043675660?q=Tim%20Rutten&FORM=VIRE1


6 posted on 08/13/2010 5:33:07 PM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe. After all, his brain has.


7 posted on 08/13/2010 5:34:07 PM PDT by auboy (Men who cannot deceive others are very often successful at deceiving themselves. Samuel Johnson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It doesn’t show we are bigots but illustrates, nay, demonstrates they are invaders.

Otherwise they would be more polite and use index logic, not circular logic.


8 posted on 08/13/2010 5:34:14 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Traditionalist views versus liberal sell out views?
9 posted on 08/13/2010 5:34:47 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This writer is a lame brained pin headed idiot....and a waste of human skin


10 posted on 08/13/2010 5:35:34 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

He is a boil on the the body of life and needs to be lanced.


11 posted on 08/13/2010 5:36:25 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ever since 9/11, a sensible rejection of Salafism and other variants of politicized Islamic neo-fundamentalism has been given way in many quarters to a generalized antipathy to Islam itself.

Yeah, on 9/12/2001 we really were having a national discussion on Salafism and Wahabism compared to other theological schools in the Muslim world. < /sarc>

12 posted on 08/13/2010 5:37:18 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Gun control was originally to protect Klansmen from their victims. The basic reason hasn't changed.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Two millenniums

Well, at least he didn't use an apostrophe. I will give him that.

13 posted on 08/13/2010 5:38:02 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: Marty62

Tim is trying to make a name for himself, little past due don’t ya think tim? We are such a bunch of uncaring, racist bigots so in staying with this tone I would like to add to that fat white old guys with beards.


14 posted on 08/13/2010 5:38:12 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (We are our founding fathers keepers)
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To: goat granny
Now, now. He is a human being and redemption is always possible.

(Unlike Congress. / s )

15 posted on 08/13/2010 5:39:36 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Take your First Amendment religious freedom idea to Saudi Tim

But before that, go live in a Mexican border town for awhile since I’m sure your neighborhoods since childhood have been overwhelmingly lily white

Then get back with us and let us know how’s it going.


16 posted on 08/13/2010 5:39:43 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Vendome

“He is a boil on the the body of life and needs to be lanced.”

Whenever Tim Rutten speaks, something is subtracted from the sum total of human knowledge.


17 posted on 08/13/2010 5:40:38 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: sionnsar

However, he should have said two MILLENIA, which is the plural of millenium.


18 posted on 08/13/2010 5:41:53 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It would be really funny to have somebody look up this idiot’s address and post it on Craigslist in Spanish advertising “free and safe housing for undocumented immigrants, just show up.” Let’s see what he thinks then.


19 posted on 08/13/2010 5:43:46 PM PDT by Clint Williams ( America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Timberly needs to pull her panties out and catch a clue.


20 posted on 08/13/2010 5:44:26 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: paul51

These liberals are very high minded because they write this crap from their gated communities or academic ivy towers, with someone else footing the bill. Its up to us unwashed bigots to deal with the consequences of the policies they advocate.


21 posted on 08/13/2010 5:44:32 PM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yawn. Another Leftist pitching for the destruction of America. They are a dime a dozen, these days. A dime a dozen.


22 posted on 08/13/2010 5:45:45 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: ought-six
However, he should have said two MILLENIA, which is the plural of millenium.

Didn't want to go there because a lot of folks don't know that "millenNium" has two letters 'n' in it. Sorry.

23 posted on 08/13/2010 5:46:50 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yup, we’re xenophobes - not.

The Libs and Left don’t argue on fact; they can only hope to win the argument using denigration.

Punk journalism.


24 posted on 08/13/2010 5:53:56 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: paul51

Mr Rutton ignores reality. Islam is a theoCRACY, not a religion. Ultimately, a theocracy falls back on subjugating. A religion falls back on convincing.

Evidence is the difference between islamic reaction to cartoons of mohammed and Christian reaction to “crucifix in urine.” Artists of the first feared for their lives; artists of the 2d were debated.

A theocracy eventually seeks to overthrow existing government and impose its “order.” A religion operates its convincing mission within many types of governments.

There is no constitutional right to overthrow our form of government through hiding behind a “religion” label when a movement is actually theocratic.


25 posted on 08/13/2010 5:55:51 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Anti-Muslim hysteria and animosity toward undocumented immigrants are grim reminders of the Nativist movement that roiled national and state politics for more than 120 years.

Sentences such as that, loaded with every cheap slur some leftist halfwit can think of, are a grim reminder of how low the left will go to try and smear conservatives, rather than engaging in rational discussion of important issues. The are scared to death of the facts, and avoid them at every opportunity.

26 posted on 08/13/2010 5:58:38 PM PDT by Will88
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To: KarlInOhio
Tim is confounding Islam with Leftwingtard BS about Islam.

It was originally formulated as a combination religion, culture, government and set of laws.

Given the conditions of life at the time it probably was rather progressive, but then they FROZE their laws about 1000 AD.

The civil and criminal code associated with Islam in the Sharia has not changed in a millenium!

I think it's quite reasonable to regulate Islam in this, or any other country, like we might regulate a foreign business ~ and at the same time simply leave the religious part untouched.

27 posted on 08/13/2010 6:10:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: J Edgar

The Geneva Convention protects soldiers in uniform from being victims of inhumane treatment in war. It does not apply to groups or persons who either waged war out-of-uniform or without affiliation to a signatory country or both. Obviously, it is not irrational to demonize one’s enemies in uniform in war. But since the Muslim enemy chooses to wage war out-of-uniform and without official affiliation with any country, according to this author, it is irrational to demonize them even after they have repeatedly attacked us. They get the benefit of the doubt that a uniformed soldier from a signatory country doesn’t. What an a**hole.


28 posted on 08/13/2010 6:22:22 PM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Anti-Muslim hysteria and animosity toward undocumented immigrants are grim reminders of the Nativist movement that roiled national and state politics for more than 120 years.

stupid twat

29 posted on 08/13/2010 6:23:15 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ah, yes, "nativist," the latest Left-wing meme. One thing about the exposure of JournoList is that we now see that the injection of such terms into the public discourse is quite deliberate. "Nativist." It's apparently a bad thing, or so Rutten and the rest of the little proggy chorus are starting to bleat.

Don't object to your country's enemies or you're a "nativist." Don't try to protect your laws, your culture, your borders, or you're a "nativist." Don't try to be an American or you're a "nativist," the penalty for which is outraged denunciation and stern posturing from such avatars of intellectual life as Timothy Rutten - to be perfectly honest, it's about as intimidating as threats from a five-year-old.

30 posted on 08/13/2010 6:27:52 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: sionnsar

You are correct: Millennia (with two n’s) has been the traditional spelling. However, as with so many other words, what was once a misspelling has now become acceptable. Thus, “Millenia” now passes muster. I used to be a stickler for traditional spellings and usages, but it got to the point I was fighting a losing battle. It’s sad, really. We have become lazy, and are now accepting things we never would have even considered a couple generations ago. I’m glad you retain the traditional approach: We need more of it.


31 posted on 08/13/2010 6:29:10 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six
I’m glad you retain the traditional approach: We need more of it.

Thanks, It's often a lonely line to hold but I'm growing into the role of kindly mossback. (It's with a bit of a shock that I recently noticed that on my technical committees I'm often the oldest one there; and I have no plans for retirement soon.)

English spelling is anything but logical but I'm holding to what I've learned, at least until we get new rules. By comparison Gaelic looks complex but is extremely phonetic; learn a few simple rules and you have it. I'd like to see that, but can't get past the mainland vs Taiwan Chinese difference: the communists "simplified" the characters,and it's not clear to me how much either side can read the other's writing anymore.

There is a LOT to be said for tradition, but few are saying it.

32 posted on 08/13/2010 6:43:59 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: All

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33 posted on 08/13/2010 7:53:07 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Success...Mecca and Tijuana.


34 posted on 08/13/2010 8:41:21 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: rbg81

Your Post #21 was spot-on.


35 posted on 08/13/2010 8:58:47 PM PDT by MplsSteve (Don't Be Stupak!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

People fook up their country and decide they want to fook ours up...and we’re suppose to be happy with that!?


36 posted on 08/13/2010 10:45:26 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Western civilization in the form of American culture, (minus the moral degeneracy of recent times such as abortion, the sexual revolution, divorce, single parenthood, etc) is worth preserving. Too many anybodies moving into a culture destroy it. This is true for those who break our laws to get in here more than even legal entrants.

It is not bigotry to object to this. It is self preservation and Western pride. It is self defense and as such is a duty to pursue our survival as a culture.

37 posted on 08/14/2010 1:54:02 PM PDT by amihow
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