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Mosque flap swirls around Obama
Politico ^ | August 14, 2010 | JAMES HOHMANN & MAGGIE HABERMAN, MIKE ALLEN R

Posted on 08/15/2010 9:05:33 AM PDT by yoe

The White House on Saturday struggled to tamp down the controversy over President Barack Obama’s statements about a mosque near Ground Zero — insisting Obama wasn’t backing off remarks Friday night where he offered support for a project that has infuriated some families whose loved ones died in the Sept. 11 attacks.

Obama’s comments placed him in the middle of the controversy over a Muslim group’s plans for a mosque near the site of the 2001 attack — and in turn, transformed an emotion-laden local dispute in New York into a nationwide debate overnight.

Republicans pounced, amid early signs that the issue would seep into some state and congressional contests. “It is divisive and disrespectful to build a mosque next to the site where 3,000 innocent people were murdered at the hands of Islamic extremism,” said Florida GOP Senate candidate Marco Rubio. His opponent, Charlie Crist, a Republican turned independent, came out in support of Obama’s comments.

And Democrats — at least some who were willing to comment — could barely contain their frustration over Obama’s remarks, saying he had potentially placed every one of their candidates into the middle of the debate by giving GOP candidates a chance to ask them point-blank: Do you agree with Obama on the mosque, or not?

That could be particularly damaging to moderate Democrats in conservative-leaning districts, already 2010’s most vulnerable contenders.

[snip] Obama’s comments Friday night — at an Iftar dinner at the White House marking the start of Ramadan — were widely reported as offering support for the specific mosque project in question near Ground Zero.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


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"...“It is not his role as president to pass judgment on every local project. But it is his responsibility to stand up for the Constitutional principle of religious freedom..."

Obama stands on a United States Constitution principle?....since when ^.....Not his role to pass judgment on Arizona or the Boston Police etc......does America have a Muslim in the White House...........?

1 posted on 08/15/2010 9:05:35 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

The journOlist rats speak.


2 posted on 08/15/2010 9:07:08 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: yoe
giving GOP candidates a chance to ask them point-blank: Do you agree with Obama on the mosque, or not?

One has to wonder, given the poor record the GOP has for capitalizing on liberal gaffes and lies, how many (R) candidates will even do this.

I half expect some RINO to come out publicly and defend Hussein on this.

3 posted on 08/15/2010 9:08:51 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: yoe; justiceseeker93

Are the people who want to build the mosque there supporters of Al Quaeda?


4 posted on 08/15/2010 9:10:06 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama's more worried about Israelis building houses than he is about Islamists building atomic bombs)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
I half expect some RINO to come out publicly and defend Hussein on this.

Only half?

I'll send you a dollar if no RINO does.

5 posted on 08/15/2010 9:10:46 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 568 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: yoe

Ground 0


6 posted on 08/15/2010 9:11:23 AM PDT by FrankR (It doesn't matter what they call us, only what we answer to....)
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To: yoe
Obama stands on a United States Constitution principle?

Is it a constitutional principle for the State Department to fund the Imam's middle east trip so he can raise the necessary funds to build this monstrosity?
7 posted on 08/15/2010 9:11:23 AM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: yoe

Is it possible that this “flap” is, as the Canadian Muslim state representative stated on FoxNews on Friday morning, only a “Trojan Horse” to take attention off something else?


8 posted on 08/15/2010 9:12:18 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: yoe

“His opponent, Charlie Crist, a Republican turned independent, came out in support of Obama’s comments.”

I think that’s game, set, match....don’t you? Let me the first to congratulate you “Senator” Rubrio on your magnificent victory.


9 posted on 08/15/2010 9:14:26 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Praying today for -23, better yet -24......)
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To: FrankR

Not just Americans: People from 67 countries were killed there that day. There is no way we should allow them to be voiceless in this fight for respect and honor at Ground Zero.


10 posted on 08/15/2010 9:15:59 AM PDT by Monkey Face (If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free.)
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To: loveliberty2
Such as?
11 posted on 08/15/2010 9:16:06 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: yoe

Yeah, Obama is gung ho for the Constitution when he thinks it agrees with his own beliefs and sympathies. The rest of the time he’s indifferent to it. Consider for instance that he went through entire healthcare debate without once mentioning the constitutionality of it. That was huge yet he never once brought the Constitution into the conversation. But now all the sudden he’s Thomas Jefferson.


12 posted on 08/15/2010 9:17:47 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: loveliberty2

No, we are smart enough to pay attention to more than one thing at a time or at least i hope we are.


13 posted on 08/15/2010 9:18:38 AM PDT by mel
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To: yoe

Religious freedom applies to religions.

My definition of Islam is this, its not a religion in my judgement, not a religion according to how I was raised and its not a religion for future generations.

Its a death cult that will not give any person a true and proper purpose in life, its a twisted ideology that is used by controllers over the weak and humble.

There are good people that have been forced to live under Islamic teachings, they can walk away from it, its our job to kepp it away from our future generation.

And if needed hunt it down and eliminate it. The cult of Satan must know its place.


14 posted on 08/15/2010 9:20:03 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: yoe

All this spinning is making me dizzy.

I don’t care how much he tries to “explain” or the media tries to “clarify,” he said what he said; we all know it and we know exactly what he meant. His true colors are out in the open now, and if anyone still believes in this guy and his krapola, they have to be idiots.


15 posted on 08/15/2010 9:23:45 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: yoe

Gotta love the hypocrisy of the left. These are the same pyschos ripping crosses off war memorials and tearing down the Ten Commandments in the name of “separation of church and state”. But as long as it is muslim, “separation of church and state” is thrown out the window!


16 posted on 08/15/2010 9:24:40 AM PDT by Dengar01 (Go Blackhawks!!! and Go White Sox!!!)
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To: yoe

Let’s face it. If this were a Christian Church or a Jewish Synagogue (Temple) etc., the secularist Obama wouldn’t care. Sure he liked Reverend Wright’s Church, but only because Reverend Wright slammed the USA and whites all the time.

This Mosque is becoming like the Sudetenland Germans were to Hitler, strategic proxies for Liberals and Islamists. It’s where they come together to annoy and plan further harm for our way of life.


17 posted on 08/15/2010 9:24:56 AM PDT by elhombrelibre ("I'd rather be ruled by the Tea Party than the Democratic Party." Norman Podhoretz)
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To: Monkey Face
Yeah, I read that too, but I only have so much space on these posters for captions, and as they say in advertising...less is more.

Besides the point I'm making is about Constitutional rights in rebuttal to obama's claim that muslims have a "right " build a mosque.

The foreign people were not citizens and were not covered by the Constitution...technically.

We good?
18 posted on 08/15/2010 9:26:25 AM PDT by FrankR (It doesn't matter what they call us, only what we answer to....)
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To: yoe

Oh THAT kind of flap...

19 posted on 08/15/2010 9:26:55 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Yardstick

Obama learned about religion from Reverend Wright - hate America. That’s all he knows.


20 posted on 08/15/2010 9:27:12 AM PDT by elhombrelibre ("I'd rather be ruled by the Tea Party than the Democratic Party." Norman Podhoretz)
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To: yoe

Most people do not recognize that what happens in a mosque is sedition. Pure and simple. Islam is not just a “religion”, it is a cult, it is it’s own government, its judicial...is in its sharia, and its military (jihadis) all rolled into one with one intent ...and that is to rule wherever they take root. It is a invasive, systemic infection looking to take over the host once it has quantum.

This is not just a “religion”, but something that cloaks itself in those terms so it should not be given the same treatment contemplated under the first amendment. It’s rules are to consume whatever government is wherever it goes. To supplant and replace.

The sooner America learns this , the better.

Obama? Should be tried for treason in this issue for promoting the establishment of a foreign government on our soils.


21 posted on 08/15/2010 9:27:26 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: yoe
does America have a Muslim in the White House

Does the Vatican have a Catholic Pope?

22 posted on 08/15/2010 9:27:30 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Eye of Unk

I just heard on some cable news show there is a mosque in the Pentagon!

Navy imam Chaplain Abuhena M. Saifulislam lifted his voice to God as he called to prayer more than 100 Department of Defense employees Monday at a celebration of Ramadan at the Pentagon.

God is most great, sang the lieutenant commander and Islamic leader, in Arabic, as iftar — the end of the daily fast began.

Uniformed military personnel, civilians and family members faced Mecca and knelt on adorned prayer rugs chanting their prayers in quiet invocation to Allah.

The “ground zero mosque” story seems to be dying down, but nothing lays bare the absurdity of what we’ve just lived through quite so much as this Washington Times story, quoted above, from 2007.

Yes, Muslims have infiltrated the Pentagon for their nefarious, prayerful purposes — daring to practice their religion inside the building where 184 people died on Sept. 11, 2001. They haven’t even had the sensitivity to move two blocks, let alone a mile, away from that sacred site.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/05/muslims_infiltrate_pentagon


23 posted on 08/15/2010 9:27:40 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: yoe
I think the talk shows should beat this against him saying (few months ago) that Israel should NOT build settlements in East Jerusalem.
24 posted on 08/15/2010 9:29:13 AM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: Clintonfatigued
Are the people who want to build the mosque there supporters of Al Quaeda?

The imam of this proposed monstrosity has been quoted as saying that American foreign policy was responsible for 9/11, and that the question of whether Hamas is a terrorist organization is "complicated." In other words, he's a fellow traveler.

25 posted on 08/15/2010 9:29:21 AM PDT by mojito
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To: ChildOfThe60s

It’s not a good issue for democrats to be talking about right now.

Which is exactly why Gov.Palin brought it up.


26 posted on 08/15/2010 9:31:48 AM PDT by excopconservative
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To: ilovesarah2012

I think having an Islamic Mosque in the Pentagon is like having a salt block in your backyard during hunting season.


27 posted on 08/15/2010 9:31:51 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: yoe

“Zer0 is just being a typical Imam, saying one thing in Arabic to the believers and running the Islamic Okie-Dokie Bamboozle Hoodwink on the infidels in English.”


28 posted on 08/15/2010 9:33:00 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: yoe

Have at it. A few basic questions - Are the builders Americans? Have any Islam believers died serving in the US Army? How do we get Islam believers to fight on our side in Iraq and Afghanistan? What do opponents want to accomplish, some kind of Japanese treatment?


29 posted on 08/15/2010 9:33:02 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: yoe

TRANSLATION: Obama committed the error of telling the TRUTH about himself!! Doesn’t happen often, but oh boy when it does!! And thankfully, we have the web, Rush, Savage etc to make it all public!!


30 posted on 08/15/2010 9:34:15 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: fatnotlazy
"I don’t care how much he tries to “explain” or the media tries to “clarify,” he said what he said..."

Let him. Believe me, it's a good thing. The more he talks about it, the more he and this issue become one in the same. It'll be another completely unpopular idea he owns.

31 posted on 08/15/2010 9:34:51 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: yoe

Obama’s comments placed him in the middle of the controversy over a Muslim group’s plans for a mosque near the site of the 2001 attack — and in turn, transformed an emotion-laden local dispute in New York into a nationwide debate overnight.

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It’s always been a nation-wide issue. The attack on 911 was an attack on the US, not an attack on NYC or The WTC.


32 posted on 08/15/2010 9:35:31 AM PDT by pgkdan (When the same man...holds the sword and the purse, there is an end of liberty: George Mason)
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To: himno hero

How I long for the days when all we had was a President being dishonest to grand jury, selling secrets to China and bombing aspirin factories.
melissa


33 posted on 08/15/2010 9:35:56 AM PDT by mel
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To: yoe

Someone should ask Obama this question:

What would Mohamed Atta have thought in the final seconds as he saw the Twin Towers, and the surrounding neighborhood, if he knew that in a little more then a decade a tall mosque would rise in that location?

My answer: Allah Akbar


34 posted on 08/15/2010 9:35:56 AM PDT by HearMe
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To: himno hero

How I long for the days when all we had was a President being dishonest to grand jury, selling secrets to China and bombing aspirin factories.
melissa


35 posted on 08/15/2010 9:36:04 AM PDT by mel
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To: moehoward
Let him. Believe me, it's a good thing. The more he talks about it, the more he and this issue become one in the same. It'll be another completely unpopular idea he owns.

Yep... Zero let his guard down, and said something honest. Now, EVERY Rep. candidate in the country needs to be asking their opponent, "Do you agree with your Party's leader on this?".

It's a BIG loser for the Dems.. cause, normal people see this for what it is: Another Islamic militant wanting to stick it to America... in an old wound.

36 posted on 08/15/2010 9:38:33 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim
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To: yoe
His opponent, Charlie Crist, a Republican turned independent, came out in support of Obama’s comments.

How predictable!! Meeks is probably upset that this guy is taking away his positions.

37 posted on 08/15/2010 9:38:47 AM PDT by Moorings
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To: mojito
The imam of this proposed monstrosity has been quoted as saying that American foreign policy was responsible for 9/11, and that the question of whether Hamas is a terrorist organization is "complicated." In other words, he's a fellow traveler.

Exactly, I think we need to keep the focus on this, the leftists are trying to frame this as a purely anti islamic sentiment. However the real problem is WHICH GROUP of death cultists are behind this whole scheme, from those connections and the original name for the den of terror I mean mosque, those are the things that set off alarm bells. Don't let the left frame the debate they are taking us away from the true problem in all this.
38 posted on 08/15/2010 9:40:21 AM PDT by battousai (Conservatives are racist? YES, I hate stupid white liberals.)
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To: nikos1121

Ditto and it didnt help that the idiot obama is flipping and flopping as usual


39 posted on 08/15/2010 9:40:44 AM PDT by italianquaker (obama all hat no cattle)
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To: excopconservative
It’s not a good issue for democrats to be talking about right now.

Which is exactly why Gov.Palin brought it up.

Agreed. But, since I don't watch the TV news, I don't know how many Republicans are pushing on this. I am assuming that, true to form, not many.

40 posted on 08/15/2010 9:41:01 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: Yet_Again

That whole State Department should besent to the ME on a one-way trip.


41 posted on 08/15/2010 9:43:49 AM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: yoe

The little dictator will do what he wants and to hell with us. Get used to it, he will find ways to fund the building. And he will probably get another term. He has bought and will continue to buy votes with our taxes.


42 posted on 08/15/2010 9:44:03 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; TheOldLady; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Gosh, it’s almost as if he’s LYING about what he said and the CONTEXT within which it was said.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2570632/posts?page=165#165
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2570632/posts?page=173#173


43 posted on 08/15/2010 9:44:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: yoe

This is a copy of the email I sent out to my lists yesterday:

New York City voted by a huge margin to put B.O. in the White House, now they’re crying their eyes out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_New_York,_2008

A COMMENT with which I agree: “If New York votes Democrat in the next election, they richly deserve another attack. If America votes Democrat, let them have poverty, torture, murder, and all else that Sharia brings.” ~ 3

Or as I stated it in the past here: “I hope all those who supported & support that [fill in the blank] in the White House (and that ‘RAT majority in both Houses of Congress that agrees with, and does his bidding), get exactly what they voted for good and hard right between the eyes.”

Looks like it’s happening. Problem is, they’re taking the wiser and MUCH more discerning among the population right down the drain with them.

And even if Republicans win the House and possibly the Senate this November, these same clueless people will give the credit to B.O. for any good they do to turn things around in the economy (just like they gave Clinton the credit for what the Republican House did when they took control from the ‘RATs in 1994 and the economy began to boom. All Clinton did was sign their bills.)

As far as I’m concerned, people should have to be able to pass a tough civics test before being allowed to vote. If they don’t even know how their own government works - (which is set up completely different from any other government on earth, and why people are clamoring to live and work here) they have no business nullifying the votes of those who do and are able to cast an INFORMED vote.

Informed voters are the TRUE minority.

~ [Matchett-PI] ...Read on (don’t forget to share):

NRO
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner

The President Stands with Sharia
August 14, 2010 9:00 AM
By Andy McCarthy

At Andrew Breitbart’s Big Peace site, Frank Gaffney explains.

All of it is worth reading, but I was struck by Frank’s description of three people among the invited company in which President Obama chose to make his announcement in support the Ground Zero mosque:

Ingrid Mattson, the head of a Muslim Brotherhood satellite organization, the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), that was identified by the Justice Department as an unindicted coconspirator in a terrorism financing case (and was proved, in fact, to have sent money to Hamas);

Salam al-Marayati, a self-described supporter of Hezbollah (and one Steve Emerson aptly describes as an anti-anti-terrorist); and

Dalia Mogahed, an apologist for sharia’s subjugation of women who has embraced ISNA, CAIR and other Islamist groups in her role as an Obama appointee to the President’s Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships.

The president has long been governing against the will of the American people. It’s good to see, concretely, whose will his governance favors. Given the choice between the 9/11 Families for a Safe & Strong America and ISNA, Obama chooses ISNA.

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Obama Shrinks America
August 14, 2010 12:15 PM
By Kathryn Jean Lopez

Bill Kristol responds to the President’s patronizing dismissal of critics of the Ground Zero mosque:

For Obama, 9/11 was a “deeply traumatic event for our country.” Traumatic events invite characteristic reactions and over-reactions–fearfulness, anger, even hysteria. That’s how Obama understands the source of objections to the Ground Zero mosque. It’s all emotional. The arguments don’t have to be taken seriously. The criticisms of the mosque are the emotional reactions of a traumatized people.

But Americans aren’t traumatized. 9/11 was an attack on America, to which Americans have responded firmly, maturely, and appropriately. Part of our sensible and healthy reaction is that there shouldn’t be a 13-story mosque and Islamic community center next to Ground Zero (especially when it’s on a faster track to be built than the long-delayed memorial there). But Obama (like Bloomberg) doesn’t feel he even has to engage the arguments against the mosque–because he regards his fellow citizens as emotionally traumatized victims, not citizens who might have a reasonable point of view.

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9/11 Families Stunned by President’s Support of Mosque at Ground Zero
August 14, 2010 6:35 AM
By Andy McCarthy

Here’s the statement issued by Debra Burlingame, the co-founder of 9/11 Families for a Safe & Strong America:

Barack Obama has abandoned America at the place where America’s heart was broken nine years ago, and where her true values were on display for all to see. Since that dark day, Americans have been asked to bear the burden of defending those values, again and again and again. Now this president declares that the victims of 9/11 and their families must bear another burden. We must stand silent at the last place in America where 9/11 is still remembered with reverence or risk being called religious bigots.

Muslims have worshipped in New York without incident both before and after the attacks of 9/11. This controversy is not about religious freedom. 9/11 was more than a “deeply traumatic event,” it was an act of war. Building a 15-story mosque at Ground Zero is a deliberately provocative act that will precipitate more bloodshed in the name of Allah. Those who continue to target and kill American civilians and U.S. troops will see it as a symbol of their historic progress at the site of their most bloody victory. Demolishing a building that was damaged by wreckage from one of the hijacked planes in order to build a mosque and Islamic Center will further energize those who regard it as a ratification of their violent and divinely ordered mission: the spread of shariah law and its subjugation of all free people, including secular Muslims who come to this country fleeing that medieval ideology, which destroys lives and crushes the human spirit.

We are stunned by the president’s willingness to disregard what Americans should be proud of: our enduring generosity to others on 9/11 ­ a day when human decency triumphed over human depravity. On that day, when 3,000 of our fellow human beings were killed in a barbaric act of raw religious intolerance unlike this country had ever seen, Americans did not turn outward with hatred or violence, we turned to each other, armed with nothing more than American flags and countless acts of kindness. In a breathtakingly inappropriate setting, the president has chosen to declare our memories of 9/11 obsolete and the sanctity of Ground Zero finished. No one who has lived this history and felt the sting of our country’s loss that day can truly believe that putting our families through more wrenching heartache can be an act of peace.

We will honor the memory of our loved ones. We will protect our children, whose lives will never be the same. We will not stand silent.


44 posted on 08/15/2010 9:44:26 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (BP was founder of Cap & Trade Lobby and is linked to John Podesta, The Apollo Alliance and Obama)
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To: nikos1121

We still don’t know how the people in FL will react to Crist’s statement.


45 posted on 08/15/2010 9:45:42 AM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: yoe

He is a fool.


46 posted on 08/15/2010 9:46:49 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: ilovesarah2012

A mosque IN the Pentagon? What exactly is the excuse for that? Does every other religion have a space set aside for them individually? I would doubt it.


47 posted on 08/15/2010 9:47:11 AM PDT by livius
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To: HearMe

“Someone should ask Obama this question:

What would Mohamed Atta have thought in the final seconds as he saw the Twin Towers, and the surrounding neighborhood, if he knew that in a little more then a decade a tall mosque would rise in that location?

My answer: Allah Akbar”

Maybe. I think he’d have thought, ‘You’re pulling my leg. Not even Americans are that stupid/insane.’

[Note: Do I have to say it? Conservatives are not stupid or insane. And maybe we can stop this mosque. But if it goes up, I still say Atta’s reaction would have been stupified disbelief.]


48 posted on 08/15/2010 9:49:29 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: livius

So much for separation of church and state, or mosque and state I guess.


49 posted on 08/15/2010 9:49:42 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Dengar01

These are the people who like to replace the cross with the sign of crescent moon and star an who will have no problem converting to Islam.


50 posted on 08/15/2010 9:50:50 AM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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