Skip to comments.Obama's Islamic-Center Stance: Why the GOP Shouldn't Run Against It (BS! The GOP should and will!)
Posted on 08/16/2010 3:49:50 AM PDT by tobyhill
Dear Republican Party:
Your moment is now.
This weekend, President Obama defended the right of Muslims to build a community center and mosque two short blocks from Ground Zero, despite cries of insensitivity from some New Yorkers and accusations of mischief from some pundits. This finally gives you an opportunity to add a powerful national-security cudgel to the message of economic woe you have been pushing as the midterm election approaches.
The political potency of the issue is obvious. Polls overwhelmingly show the President has put himself on the wrong side of public opinion. Opposition to the new facility arouses acute emotion and creates near total unity among relatives of 9/11 victims, first responders, Republican officeholders, potential 2012 presidential candidates, Tea Party members, the Fox Newstalk radioDrudge Report echo machine and many of the highly coveted swing and occasional voters whom you will need at the polls to win in November.
(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...
>>One question. is Mark Halperin on the Journ-O-list list?
He’s not on BuckeyeTexan’s very useful list.
I think they should focus on the people behind the mosque. There is where the problems lie. It's not about worship. This is an "in your face, America" move supported by tax dollars and the POS in the WH.
These barbarians did not begin their Cordoba controversy while President Bush was in office and I question just when did they decide it was safe to begin this obscene gesture?
Nov 3, 2008??????
The GOP needs to carefully separate the real issues from the religious aspect and then attack with full force.
"Halperin wrote a memo that to many seems to direct ABC reporters, anchors and producers to slant its coverage by downplaying the misstatements of Democratic presidential candidate Senator John Kerry and by viewing negatively any misstatements by Republican candidate Bush."
I know if I were a leader in the Republican party, I’d sure follow this liberal piece of crap’s advice. (NOT)
Note to Time Magazine:
I believe that when the GOP or the Conservative Americans need you advice, we will be certain to give you a call. Until then why don’t you just STFU and disappear?
I was at the Bronx Zoo over the weekend, and I kept on running into this woman who had a T-shirt from an art exhibit at the Metropolitan. It had a signature of Fatih Sultan Mehmet on the front, and the year “1452” in four-inch high letters across the back.
I asked her if she had any idea who Fatih Sultan Mehmet was, or if she knew anything about the sack of Constantinople and the fall of the Byzantine Empire. She had no idea, at all. But she did have the T-shirt!
I guess the WH called up Time and begged them to please write and print this article.
Time had to really scramble to get this nonsense out.
Obama's benefactors in the muslim world know he's a muslim. In fact, his actions have announced that fact to the world over and over and over again!
Take a revisit to his brief "my muslim faith" video on youtube...in retrospect, he hasn't even really tried to hide the fact that he's a muslim.
"We want neither Sharia, nor a coup, but a fully democratic Turkey."
So how come Muslims in Turkey (99+ percent Muslim) can "run" against Islamism and sharia law and Republicans should not?
Why do we have to welcome Islamists -- as Justice Jackson said sixty years ago, "The Bill of Rights is not a suicide pact."
Long live secularism in the constitutional democratic Republic of Turkey! Though these reports are three years old the struggle continues. Wish them well -- and pray for the U.S. of A. we have our own version of Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Whoops......there goes another journOlist!!!!
I disagree with Krauthammer’s idea of using the law to stop it. We should oppose the mosque. It is, however, their property. If they want to use it to show the American people what kind of religion Islam really is, then at least more people will realize what these muslims are really about. This mosque has changed the view of some of the more clueless of my acquaintances.
“As I said, Republicans, this is your moment. As a famous New Yorker once urged in a very different context: Do the right thing.”
How stupid do they think we are????? He is kidding, right?
I do not agree. It should not be permissable for the government to step in and say that one form of Islamic worship is permissable and another is not. It is not the US government's job to fine-tune the Islamic message and vet their religious leaders.
Besides, a so-called moderate could build this mosque, only to turn it over to a fire-brand the day the last stone is placed. There is no guarantee that the political philosophy of the institution will not change.
The fact is that, even in it's most moderate and mild form, Islam calls for the destruction of our Constitution and the imposition of Sharia Law. It is an incompatible and hostile political system, and is not entitled to First Amendment protection.
Because Bloomberg rather than Giuliani is Mayor.
Here's a pic they mushroom feeders will never give to their fungi.
Not sure how we disagree. Are you saying the U.S. should ban all Islamic worship or allow all types no matter how dangerous?
I said the GOP should focus on the people behind this mosque and reveal their true nature. No where did I say they shout stop the mosque. I think that should be up to the local residents.
Tell you what Halperin - we’ll follow your advice when you obtain a promise from the muslims that they will allow a Christian church to be built in Mecca.
In the mean time, STFU.
All of your points are excellent, and I think this one is particularly worth focusing on.
Mark Halperin, noted GOP supporter who has the best interests of the party at heart. LOL
Time Magazine, thank you for your concern
Of course one of obama’s media outlets is giving advice to keep this issue down.
GOP ought to make this into “obama’s islamic center”.
Short message that hits the mark.
Hah! Translation from liberal-ese to real English: Dear Republicans, please don’t run on this issue because we know it’s going to bury the Democrats.
Obama stepped in it, big time, by exposing his true self. Mark and his friends need to come to grips with the fact that Obama is THEIR guy, promoted as some god-like character that would save the world. So now Obama has shown himself for what he is—and this is something they’ll have to live with.
Meanwhile, I hope and pray the ‘Rats lose both the House and Senate.
Who the Hell is Mark Halperin that he should be telling people what to do? Go back to your navel-gazing, Mark, people have had enough of your self-appointed expertise.
Halperin’s next column...
Dear Republicans, Please don’t run on Obama’s economy. Do the right thing. Give up.
whenever liberals offer advice, always do the opposite
you live in a fantasy world NS. You know this is a HUGE problem for your guy, obumbler, and it’s freaking you out. So you want to ‘reason’ with those of us on FR that it really doesn’t matter to those of us ‘outside’ NY.
You AND your butt brother are pathetic jokes.
Obama can OBFUSCATE, "backpedal", LIE, and "Walkback" all he wants but it is too late, Obama is nothing short of satanic. On Friday he told the Muslims he had gathered in the PEOPLES house, along with the entire world which side he is really on in the war on terror = America or Islam. He made his choice and sided with Islam over America and told us all that he approves of the MUSLIM 9/11 VICTORY Mosque, that He DOES NOT OBJECT TO IT and that he wants it built at the site of Islam's victory over America. HIS ADMINISTRATION, HIS STATE DEPARTMENT is spending OUR TAXPAYER MONEY TO SEND THE IMAM WHO IS HELL-BENT ON BUILDING THIS MONSTROSITY ALL OVER THE
I S L A M I C WORLD
TO RAISE MONEY TO BUILD THE 9/11 VICTORY MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO IN ORDER TO HUMILIATE ALL OF AMERICA!
The words Obama said on Friday in support of this abomination he agreed to and proclaimed before all of those assembled and before the entire world OF HIS OWN FREE WILL. (For him to now be saying that he did not mean what he said is ridiculous.)
Obama is nothing but a liar following Satan, the Father of lies! He is not to be trusted, he is to be opposed and no matter what the "White House" says, we must all remember that according to taqqiya it is completely "kosher" in Islam for Muslims to LIE in order to deceive those who do not follow Islam = i.e., the "infidels", in order to gain your ultimate ends of conquest and total subjugation. That is exactly what Obama the closet Marxist Muslim is doing = lying in order to deceive America and Americans.
The problem is this; with his statement on Friday Obama COMPLETELY and PERMANENTLY BROKE FAITH WITH THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA! He once and for all told America and the World exactly which side he is on: He supports Islam and the enemies of the United States both at home and abroad. We have him speaking these words, on video. He can lie and obfuscate and try to "backpedal" all he wants, but it is too late, he cannot undo what he has done;
Obama didn't just "spit it the eye of America;" he pulled down his pants in front of the entire country and world, squatted on the hallowed 9/11/01 Ground Zero site and took a huge PUBLIC DUMP UPON GROUND ZERO AND UPON ALL OF AMERICA! After he was done, he got up, pulled up his pants, smiled, his narcissistic smile at the camera and said: "This is where I stand regarding America, Islam and Ground Zero."
Obama is Satan's servant = totally anti-American, anti-Semitic and filled with the spirit of antichrist.
We are grateful to the the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost forty years.
It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we would have been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years.
But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march toward a world government.
The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
David Rockefeller - In a speech to the Trilateral Commission, 1991
Clue: The term of art for all that is "America", Mark. Try using the shorthand.
Something along the lines of what New York does within its borders is New York's business.
That translates to "butt out" -- but that surely won't work w/ respect to 9/11, in response to which the nation has already mounted several very substantial responses, including two wars within the overarching Bush Administration rubric of a "War on Terror" which Obama has very specifically repudiated for reasons which must remain suspect, which suspicion he fuels by throwing gasoline on it every time he issues another mark of conspicuous support for Islamists at the expense of Western Civilization and the American Experiment.
It doesn't get much more high-concept than what Obama is doing, and Republicans are right not to "leave it alone".
What more evidence do you want that they are right, than being told to back off by a TIME polemicist? TIME being the rag, by the way, that coined the term "Clinton hater".
Claims that the Victory Mosque controversy should stay with New Yorkers are no more valid than a claim that New Yorkers should be free to "redevelop" Bedloe's Island and Ellis Island. The World Trade Center, whatever it was on 9/10, is now a national massacre site. You might profitably have a look at Charlie Krauthammer's weekend op-ed on that point. (I don't have the link -- saw it in print.)
Interesting idea. So they are attacking the American idea .... like Communists ..... would you propose an "anti-Islamist" or "anti-Salafist" addendum to university syllabuses, in much the way that many Southern universities added "anti-Communism" courses to theirs 50 years ago? Course readings in Averroes and Aquinas? It'd be different.
Does this mean that they have good OPTICS?
Link available to the Krauthammer column I mentioned in my referenced post, in this thread at post #50, courtesy of our fellow FReeper.
In his earlier incarnation, Krauthammer had defended building a commercial mall right next to a Civil War national battlefield on grounds of property rights and freedom to do business. He recants in your linked article.
The right reason: Republicans win by running for the Constitution, not by running against it.
Never take advice from Time magazine.
I’m sure McCain and Graham are seriously considering Halprin’s advice. You can always count on a few dumb A$$ RINOs who are looking to whore themselves out to the MSM!
Time is the enemy!
hmmmm.... WHAT kind of American thinks that 911 and Ground Zero and those that died in the WTC are not everyone’s business???????
WHO really thinks that the 1st Amendment (which is about “Congress shall make no law....”) means that no one should CARE what happens at the site of the worst terrorist attack in US history?
HOW exactly does one translate “freedom of worship” into “freedom to stomp all over the raw memories and beliefs of countless millions of Americans?
WHEN exactly are we supposed to stop caring about the future of this nation and our civilization?
WHERE do people learn to think that Ground Zero should be treated as the Muslims treated the Hagia Sophia basilica?
WHY do you feel such utter certitude in believing that the 70+ % of Americans who DO think this is an important issue are delusional and wrong, and that it neither should nor will be a political problem for Obama’s Party of Appeasement and Dhimmitude in 2010 and beyond?
Americans should also know that, going back to the 60s & 70s, Morton Halperins not only "advised" that Soviet conventional and nuclear military forces were only defensive, but also advocated unilateral U.S. disarmament.
Like his father, the author would have Americans again surrender to an enemy committed to our destruction.
Whether 5th columnists or useful idiots, the Halperins have revealed themselves and the purpose of their "advice." Patriotic Americans best treat that "advice" accordingly.
No one is suggesting they make this the "core" of their campaigns. But it can certainly be a potent part of the overall message. The vast majority of the nation opposes the mosque being built there. It is a simple thing to state that position and ask what your opponents position is. As Halperin points out, that leaves the Dems with 3 choices, none of them good.
Halperin was a big Hillary supporter in the 2008 primaries, and both then and afterward he was at considerable pains to point out how the rest of MSM had gone a-whoring after Magic Manchild and Tom Daschle's strategic hopey-changey blank-silver-screen non-message.
Now Halperin appears to be carrying Manchild's water as the latter circles the bowl on his open sponsorship of jihadism and its would-be endzone dance in New York.
You must have listened to Rush’s sound bites of the MSM when the networks describing MO’s trip to Spain said the “OPTICS” regarding this weren’t good to most Americans.