President Obama's Passport Shown on YouTube

And now we’re supposed to believe reporters just dig up facts on wikipedia??

I don't know precisely where the reporter got it from (maybe the same place he got "Nyanza District", since I doubt *that* got namechecked in a speech either) but I find it curious that you're more willing to believe that there's been a worldwide conspiracy to scrub all video/audio/written evidence of the supposed Obama "Queens" speech statement than to believe that a UPI reporter cribbed a fact from Wikipedia.

Occam's Razor, man.

Why was wikipedia wrong?? Are we throwing that under the bus too??

I actually know the answer to that: Wikipedia was wrong for a time because a Hawaiian college student made an educated guess as to Obama's birth hospital, and added "Queens," but got it wrong. Queens was the largest hospital in Honolulu at the time, but unbeknownest to the student, Obama's parents lived closer to Kapiolani. It's because of mistakes like these that Wikipedia now has a much more stringent editing policy on living biographies.

Every erroneous reference to Queens seems to be traceable back to the Wiki entry, especially the Rainbow Newsletter, which was practically copied from Wikipedia. I have yet to see a Queens reference that predates the Wiki error.

That's possible, but it's worth pointing out that Amazon only says that Obama wrote the foreward to "Change We Can Believe In," not the book itself.

No, only multiple documents.

Okay, suppose you are right. Suppose there are multiple documents indicating he was born in Hawaii. So what?

They didn’t successfully scrub Obama’s sister from saying Obama was born in Queen’s Hospital in 2004, but if you want to pretend this came from the educated guess of some phantom college student, dream on.

And speaking of the reporter’s errors, if he got so many things ‘wrong’ about Obama, why was the only correction in regard to the alleged hospital of birth?? Obama only cares if he’s misrepresented on where he’s born?? Why wouldn’t they read the whole story and ask for other corrections to be made??

Sorry, but this whole thing is about a myth that can’t be proven and the liar Obama Soetoro Soebarkah has only tried to correct stories where the details of his myth didn’t jibe.

I already explained earlier. Only one needs to be cited, if that one document, an official, original, doctor-signed birth certificate, happens to be valid. If other documents were involved, they should be identified so they can be evaluated for reliability. A letter from Obama saying, “I think I was born in Hawaii” isn’t persuasive evidence.

we’re supposed to throw the reporters under the bus for being ‘sloppy.’

The article WAS a sloppy piece of journalism, even if you ignore the error about the hospital.

And now we’re supposed to believe reporters just dig up facts on wikipedia??

Yes, sometimes reporters get lazy and take shortcuts, especially those who work for second-rate news organizations like UPI.

Why was wikipedia wrong?? Are we throwing that under the bus too??

Are you serious? This isn't the first time Wikipedia got something wrong, and it won't be the last.

I already explained earlier. Only one needs to be cited, if that one document, an official, original, doctor-signed birth certificate, happens to be valid. If other documents were involved, they should be identified so they can be evaluated for reliability.

As Jamese777's pointed out, there ARE multiple documents for everyone. "Vital records" is just the generic term used to refer to the body of information the state keeps. Here's a list of stuff that are his records:

For Barack Obama, we already know that Hawaii has:
Record #1: An original Certificate of Live Birth
Record #2: An original Certification of Live Birth
Record #3: 90-some pages of “Index Data” which has now been made available for sale at 25 cents per page to cover the duplicating costs.

The article WAS a sloppy piece of journalism, even if you ignore the error about the hospital.

It was soooooo sloppy that only one correction was made and that was to an item Obama's own sister doesn't seem to know. It can't be because Obama misinformed anyone. They all came to the wrong conclusions on their own or by surfing wikipedia. Stupid Maya Soetoro.

Records #2 and 3 are based on Record #1. Fukino had no problem citing record #1 in a singular reference in October 2008, just not in July 2009. There would be no reason to look at Records #2 or #3 to confirm Record #1, so this is another stupid and lame excuse that doesn’t hold water.

Look, people generally don't use technical language in press releases. She was using an every day, generic word for data related to his birth.

You're reading into the word meaning that isn't there. If you can't see that, then there's not point discussing this further with you.

It was soooooo sloppy that only one correction was made

That's because it was the only error anyone made a stink about.

and that was to an item Obama's own sister doesn't seem to know.

Obama's sister never said he was born in Queen's Hospital. That's another brither myth.

They didn’t successfully scrub Obama’s sister from saying Obama was born in Queen’s Hospital in 2004,

Obama's sister never said he was born at Queen's Hospital. That's another Birther myth. That author clearly got it from Wikipedia, as I detail at the link.

but if you want to pretend this came from the educated guess of some phantom college student, dream on.

There's no pretending about it. I've exchanged emails with the guy. Here's a paragraph from what he wrote me:

The addition of Barack Obama's birthplace as The Queen's Medical Center is my fault. Like the egotistical twenty-one year old kid who thought he knew everything, the claim was based on presumption without original source. Conjecture based on Queen's being the largest hospital in Hawaii, near the University of Hawaii at Manoa where the Obamas went to school, presumed that they were still in school and probably lived near campus. Queen's is in a central location and a place of power, a block away from the Hawaii State Capitol, Iolani Palace and the governor's residence at Washington Place. As it turns out, the Obamas lived in an apartment just across the street from the Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children, a location even closer to the university campus.

And speaking of the reporter’s errors, if he got so many things ‘wrong’ about Obama, why was the only correction in regard to the alleged hospital of birth??

I'm guessing because that's the only error that was pointed out to him afterward.

Obama only cares if he’s misrepresented on where he’s born?? Why wouldn’t they read the whole story and ask for other corrections to be made??

Who's "they"? I seriously doubt OBAMA was the one who wrote UPI and told them they were in error. And heck, I've read the whole story, noticed errors, and I can't say that I've bothered to write UPI to tell them to make more corrections to a two-year-old article.

Records #2 and 3 are based on Record #1. Fukino had no problem citing record #1 in a singular reference in October 2008, just not in July 2009. There would be no reason to look at Records #2 or #3 to confirm Record #1, so this is another stupid and lame excuse that doesn’t hold water.

I quote from Dr. Fukino’s October 31, 2008 statement, second paragraph: “Therefore I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statuatory authority to oversee and maintain THESE TYPES OF VITAL RECORDS, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Barack Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

It should be obvious to anyone with a middle school ability to read for comprehension that in the October, 2008 statement, Dr. Fukino was attesting to whether the original, vault copy, long form birth record [singular] was on file. She was only addressing that one original document.

One more time: An original long form plus an original short form plus more than 90 pages of Index Data equals [plural] record(S). The long form and the short form are not the same document. They are plural, then add the Index data to the mix. A Court or a Grand Jury might very well subpoena BOTH the long form and the short form from the state of Hawaii to compare the information on both RECORDS.

edge 919 is trying to parse one letter in a generic term. There is not an Office of Vital Statistic, there is an office of Vital Statistics.

Any reporter interviewing Dr. Fukino or any deposition taken by an attorney would be able to clarify the difference between a record and records in about two minutes.

It should be obvious to anyone with a middle school ability to read for comprehension that in the October, 2008 statement, Dr. Fukino was attesting to whether the original, vault copy, long form birth record [singular] was on file. She was only addressing that one original document.

Can you NOT read?? That's what I've been saying. She referred to ONE document in October 2008, but she did NOT do this in July 2009. There should have been no need to cite any other records or multiple records or to change the terminology IF the original birth ceritificate proves Obama was born in Hawaii. Since she did NOT cite the original birth certificate for the July 2009 statement as the document verifying his place of birth, then the logical conclusion was that she could NOT because it does not verify where Obama was born.

And I've addressed the faulty faither response that I'm quibbling over the use of one letter. She changed TWO WORDS to avoid making a legal statement she can't support.

Any reporter interviewing Dr. Fukino or any deposition taken by an attorney would be able to clarify the difference between a record and records in about two minutes.

Duh. This is why she said in the July 2009 statement ... "I have nothing further to add to this statement ..." She was shielding herself off from any questions, not that our gullible faither media was planning to pursue this.

Can you NOT read?? That’s what I’ve been saying. She referred to ONE document in October 2008, but she did NOT do this in July 2009. There should have been no need to cite any other records or multiple records or to change the terminology IF the original birth ceritificate proves Obama was born in Hawaii. Since she did NOT cite the original birth certificate for the July 2009 statement as the document verifying his place of birth, then the logical conclusion was that she could NOT because it does not verify where Obama was born.

And I’ve addressed the faulty faither response that I’m quibbling over the use of one letter. She changed TWO WORDS to avoid making a legal statement she can’t support.

Any reporter interviewing Dr. Fukino or any deposition taken by an attorney would be able to clarify the difference between a record and records in about two minutes.

Duh. This is why she said in the July 2009 statement ... “I have nothing further to add to this statement ...” She was shielding herself off from any questions, not that our gullible faither media was planning to pursue this.

Dr. Fukino is not issuing any more news releases on the subject. That does not mean that she won’t answer questions from reporters. Have you heard of any refusal on her part to address the issue in a press conference?
The reason that the issue hasn’t come up is that normal, rational people are satisfied with her previous answers and statements. If she wasn’t willing to address the issue in any way, shape or form, why did she just recently decide to release all the index data?
Trying to parse record versus records is really childish.

Sorry, but you need to do a lot better than quote a blog called Barack-a-ool, which is littered with poor assumptions and unsourced claims. The alleged e-mail seems to assume the Obamas lived together in an apartment across the street from Kapiolani while the birth announcement in the newspaper says they lived several miles away. Under the logic of whoever wrote the e-mail, Obama shouldn't have been born in a hospital at all since the address was so far away from any hospitals. Also the comparison with the wikipedia entry is weak. It's not for word for word or even close. The other part that undermines the claim that the information is based on the Wikipedia article is that the first paragraph of the newsletter story says Obama lived in Honolulu with his Grandmother and half-sister Maya and that they went to school together at Punahuou. The wikipedia article says Maya lives in Nairobi and says nothing to suggest she lived together with Barack in Honolulu or went to the same school together. Also, Barckafool says, "... it's such a mundane fact that it's hard to imagine even an amateur journalist wasting time asking for it during an interview." This is plain stupid. Journalists ask a lot of background questions and it's stupid to think that they would ask Maya about her background but go to wikipedia to learn about her brother, especially when she is directly quoted giving information about HIS father, "His father was Barack Obama Sr., a Kenyan economist who met our mother at the East West Center." Now if you go to wikipedia, that entry almost sounds like it came from HER, not the other way around. And for the same reason, it seems imminently more likely that Maya INDEED provided the information that Obama was born in Queen's Hospital and wikipedia snagged it from her or directly from the Obama camp.

Who's "they"? I seriously doubt OBAMA was the one who wrote UPI and told them they were in error.

You answered your own question. I used the word 'they' to refer to whoever Obama's staffers were that were charged with demanding corrections from any media stories found 'incorrectly' reporting the Obama nativity myth. You're seriously dropping the ball here and don't you feel utterly stupid having to make all these weak excuses??

Dr. Fukino is not issuing any more news releases on the subject. That does not mean that she won’t answer questions from reporters. Have you heard of any refusal on her part to address the issue in a press conference?

I'm not aware of any press conference and the news release was created INSTEAD of doing a press conference, obviously to avoid questions she didn't want have to be held accountable for. Normal and rational people don't understand why Fukino uses wordplay and why Obama won't release an original birth certificate.

If she wasn’t willing to address the issue in any way, shape or form, why did she just recently decide to release all the index data?

No, the question is why didn't they release the index data immediately to the public or tell the public that the index data was available?? Instead, they spent months lying, saying that NO INFORMATION from birth records was available and it turned out that some of the skeptics discovered this part of the law that exposed the DOH as outright liars. They don't need to release several pages of index data, just one that is unredacted showing Obama's original birth information including the certificate number. It's time for you faithers to quit making lazy, ignorant excuses for a fraud.

Here is exactly what has been on the Hawaii Department of Health’s website for over a year now:
Index Data
Haw. Rev. Stat. §338-18(d) states, “Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public.” Refer to link above for HRS §338-18.

Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, and type of event is made available to the public. The director, in accordance with HRS §338-18(d), has not authorized any other data to be made available to the public.

Index data referred to in HRS §338-18 from vital records in the State of Hawaii is available for inspection at the Department of Health’s Office of Health Status Monitoring at 1250 Punchbowl Street in Honolulu. The public will be asked to provide identification and sign in to inspect the names and sex of all births, deaths and marriages that occurred in the state. Data are maintained in bound copies by type of event with names listed alphabetically by last name.

The index data regarding President Obama is:
Birth Index
Obama II, Barack Hussein
Male

To request a search for index data, provide a first and last name of the individual, and the type of event along with a self-addressed, stamped envelope. Requests must be sent in writing to:

State Department of Health
Office of Health Status Monitoring
Issuance/Vital Statistics Section
P.O. Box 3378
Honolulu, HI 96801

There may be a cost for search, segregation and copying based on the request. If prepayment is required, the DOH will send a Notice to Requestor form with the amount required for prepayment. Only a money order, certified check, or cashier’s check (make money order and checks payable to the State Department of Health) will be accepted. Personal checks will not be accepted. All fees are non-refundable; if no data is found after a search is conducted, the fees are retained to cover the cost of the search. Requests for index data will be sent out within 2-3 weeks after receipt of payment.

Hopefully Lieutenant Colonel Terry Lakin will be granted discovery for his court martial and Hawaii can send along a certified copy of Obama’s COLB and additionally Dr. Fukino can be deposed.

Journalists ask a lot of background questions and it's stupid to think that they would ask Maya about her background but go to wikipedia to learn about her brother,

Dude. The "journalist" was a HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT! He doesn't quote her as saying it was Queens hospital. He doesn't give any sources at all for most of the information, and yet, suspiciously, his article seems to track Wikipedia.

As an educator, let me tell you, this wouldn't be the first time a student cribbed information from Wikipedia and passed it off as original research.

Two quotes to note:

“...such other data as the director may authorize ...”

followed by

“The director, in accordance with HRS §338-18(d), has not authorized any other data to be made available to the public.”

That’s not in accordance, but more like in defiance. Note this opinion letter from the HI Office of Information Practices.

“(d) Index data consisting of name, age, and sex of the registrant and date, type and FILE NUMBER of the vital event and such other data as the director may authorize may be made available to the public.”

http://hawaii.gov/oip/opinionletters/opinion%2090-23.pdf

Note, a certificate number has been made public, allegedly with consent of the Obama camp at factlack dot org.

And once more according to the HI OIP:

“... a matter no longer affects the privacy of the individual where it has been made public or has been published.”

http://hawaii.gov/oip/opinionletters/opinion%2006-07.pdf

Thus, if Obama’s legitimate number was published by factlack, then the DOH has no statutory reason to withhold a confirmation of that number. The only quasi-legitimate reason to withhold it is if releasing the number would violate someone else’s privacy ... which would mean the number belongs to another person born in 1961, not Obama. Other states, such as Washington, still include the certificate number as part of the index data. It’s very odd that Hawaii feels like they need to protect this number when it has already been made public, unless it exposes Obama and them as liars and frauds.