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3-year-old found dead in van outside church
The Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | Monday, August 16, 2010 | Larry Hartstein

Posted on 08/16/2010 8:23:26 AM PDT by Pan_Yan

An autopsy will be conducted Monday afternoon for a 3-year-old girl who was found dead in a minivan at a Canton church.

The girl and her three older sisters were at Souls Harbor Word of Faith Church on Sunday while their father, Michael Ingram, rehearsed with the church band. At 5:20 p.m., when it was time to go, no one could find the 3-year-old.

One of her sisters found her on the floor in the back of the family's Kia Sedona, not breathing. The 3-year-old's skin "was hot and wet," the sister told police. Three adults performed CPR, but the girl was pronounced dead at Northside Cherokee Hospital.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: abuse; child; endangerment; neglect

1 posted on 08/16/2010 8:23:30 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

Parents need to understand that Jesus is not going to watch their children, even at church. He gave us that job.


2 posted on 08/16/2010 8:35:44 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: Pan_Yan
Poor child.

The Sedona is not a van, but a minivan - maybe she tried to escape the vehicle through the rear hatch.

A 3 year old is in the grey zone as far as restraints - I would guess that she was in a booster seat and not a full harness seat.

3 posted on 08/16/2010 8:35:50 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Pan_Yan
Parenting fail.

You just can't let a 3-year-old wander about without supervision.

4 posted on 08/16/2010 8:35:50 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Pan_Yan
Did they forget her in the van or did she go out and get in it? Three years old, it is doubtful she could get in, but possible.My gut on this is, father took his music, hurried inside, thought sisters would stick together and look out for little one; sisters each wanted to do something, saw friends, etc. and took off without a thought. Maybe the little one was asleep and not noticed. Anyway, horrible tragedy.

Our son-in-law made a rule which I think is a good one. When their children were little, someone was made responsible for each little one, and when they handed off the responsibility, made sure the next one knew he/she was responsible. That way,people didn't just run their own way and assume someone was looking out for the toddler(s).

5 posted on 08/16/2010 8:36:37 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: Pan_Yan

I hear about these incidents all the time and I don’t understand it. How does one misplace a child?????? Even if you have a gaggle of them, a 3 year old is hard to forget.


6 posted on 08/16/2010 8:37:44 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: wideawake
I would guess that she was in a booster seat and not a full harness seat.

The article says that the girls, INCLUDING THE 3-YO, were playing inside the church, then the kid went missing.

7 posted on 08/16/2010 8:37:51 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Pan_Yan

I’m thinking Kia better be preparing for some lawsuits.

Time to cash in dontcha know.


8 posted on 08/16/2010 8:38:08 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: Pan_Yan

That’s tragic. Kids that age can be really hard to keep track of. You turn your back for an instant and ...


9 posted on 08/16/2010 8:38:33 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (I can see November from my house.)
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To: Pan_Yan
Hmmm . . . apparently the police report states that she actually made it into the church before returning to the van herself.

I can see how it would be possible for her to open an unlocked minivan (many models allow you to just tug the handle and it opens the sliding rear door) and then accidentally lock it from the inside without realizing how to open it again.

10 posted on 08/16/2010 8:39:21 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Pan_Yan

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11 posted on 08/16/2010 8:39:46 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Utopia is being foisted on Americans for their own good.-- J. Robert Smith)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Thank you.


12 posted on 08/16/2010 8:41:44 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

I’m not buying it either.


13 posted on 08/16/2010 8:41:44 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: wideawake
I can see how it would be possible for her to open an unlocked minivan (many models allow you to just tug the handle and it opens the sliding rear door) and then accidentally lock it from the inside without realizing how to open it again.

The article doesn't say that the van was locked when they found her. My take - the other girls were said to be taking naps in the pews. Maybe this little girl had a special item (doll, stuffed animal, pillow) in the van she liked to nap with. She made it to the van, got in, and then laid down to take a nap. The heat did the rest.

14 posted on 08/16/2010 8:58:33 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberal Logic: Mandatory health insurance is constitutional - enforcing immigration law is not.)
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To: IYAS9YAS
In every case I've read of in these situations - at least where there was more than a cursory description - no child who dies like this dies peacefully in their sleep.

The scenario is usually that the child falls asleep in the car, then when it becomes unbearably hot the child wakes up due to the extreme discomfort and struggles to escape until the child finally collapses exhausted.

We are not physically designed to die peacefully without a struggle unless we run out of oxygen or are drugged (i.e. carbon monoxide poisoning).

15 posted on 08/16/2010 9:10:08 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Pan_Yan

How horrible for the family. How horrible for the 3 year old.

How much worse it’s going to be when the fascists at the Child Destructive Agency demands criminal charges. Only govt case workers can get away with this.


16 posted on 08/16/2010 9:10:25 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: wideawake
then when it becomes unbearably hot the child wakes up due to the extreme discomfort and struggles to escape until the child finally collapses exhausted.

I don't disagree. My thinking here is that she may have been disoriented and too weak to crawl to the door or open it to get out. The Sedonas didn't all have auto doors where you could push a button for the automatic door to get out. The door may simply have been too hard to open in the child's weakened condition.

17 posted on 08/16/2010 9:17:16 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberal Logic: Mandatory health insurance is constitutional - enforcing immigration law is not.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

That’s tragic. Kids that age can be really hard to keep track of. You turn your back for an instant and ...

YOU GO LOOK FOR THEM IMMEDIATELY.

Yeah, they can slip away, but there’s a difference between having one give you the slip momentarily, and “forgetting” about one for long enough for him or her to roast to death in a minivan.

Last week I was at a park with a large multilevel play structure which was set in a large sandy pit with limited access. Hard for the kids to wander off, but also lots of obstructed views because of the railings, stairs, slides, etc.

I knew my five-year-old was somewhere on the play structure, but I made three circuits of the thing and could not find him anywhere. I knew he had been with another boy who I also did not see, although his parents were still there, seated at a picnic table above the sand pit area.

Turns out as part of the play structure there is a rubberized mat about six feet long folded at the bottom, making four foot side walls open at the top, set on an incline from one level to the next. There is about eighteen inches between the two “walls”. Kids are suppposed to walk up the mat on the bottom fold between the two walls as the whole thing flops around.

On my fourth circuit I found my boy with another boy, crouched down inside the mat playing a hand-held video game. They probably chose that spot because it was nice and shady in there, so you could see the screen, but it made them almost invisible. In the entire circumference of the play structure there was about 1 degree of arc where you could see them.

I wondered why the other boy’s parents weren’t concerned about their missing kid. Turns out that from where they were seated they had a clear view of them.


18 posted on 08/16/2010 9:20:58 AM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: Flash Bazbeaux

Thank you for your wisdom.

This is a three year old. Dad should have known where she was at all times. When he didn’t see her, he should have been looking for her.

His music was not more important than his daughter.


19 posted on 08/16/2010 9:44:34 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: Pan_Yan

Don’t leave your car inlocked! This jsut happened last week in Columbus.Two young sisters were palying at their grandparents house when Grandpa noticed they weren’t outside anymore and called the cops.They searched the neighborhood and about an hour later one of the neighbors noticed that her car doot wasn’t latched completely.She found them in the backseat dead when she opened the door.They got in ad must’ve passed out and died from the heat they were something like 4 and 6 yo.


20 posted on 08/16/2010 9:57:46 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: vaudine

The article said she was playing with the other kids outside. They some feel asleep in the pews.I’d say she went back outside and got into the van.


21 posted on 08/16/2010 9:59:19 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Flash Bazbeaux

Well, it sounds like the father thought his four kids were together. When I was a kid, I was often in charge of my younger siblings. The article says they fell asleep on the church pews, so I’m guessing they must have all lay down to take a nap together. Then the 3 year old wakes up and toddles off while the others sleep... sometimes awful things just happen. I don’t feel compelled to assign blame on this one. Clearly this is a nice family, and the loss of their baby is punishment enough.


22 posted on 08/16/2010 10:02:03 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (I can see November from my house.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Dreadful. RIP.


23 posted on 08/16/2010 10:56:11 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: IYAS9YAS
Maybe she did try to get out of the car but couldn't because of child safety locks on the back doors. The doors could only be opened from the outside.

Little angel, RIP.

24 posted on 08/16/2010 12:45:17 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Pan_Yan

Next week’s sermon:

“Why does God allow numbskulls to bear children?”


25 posted on 10/10/2010 11:44:35 AM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: Flash Bazbeaux

I look for my dog if he is missing more than 5 minutes.


26 posted on 10/10/2010 11:47:49 AM PDT by ShandaLear (The price of Obamacare? 30 pieces of silver.)
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To: Flash Bazbeaux

A neighbors 3 yr. old daughter got out of thier home on a sunny sunday morning..she had somehow learned to push the inside house button which opened the garage door...out she went. Fortunately a family member got up and found the door open...mad rush to find her sitting in a neighbors yard. Close call and the family then checked all outside doors and changed location of door opener. Kids are watchful...likely how she knew to open the garage door.


27 posted on 10/10/2010 11:58:22 AM PDT by caww
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