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Supreme Court upholds 'birther' sanction (Alito & Thomas okay fine of Taitz)
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 08/16/2010

Posted on 08/16/2010 9:34:44 AM PDT by LonelyCon

The Supreme Court has upheld a $20,000 fine against a leader of the movement challenging President Barack Obama's citizenship.

The high court on Monday refused to block a federal judge's October 2009 ruling that required California lawyer and dentist Orly Taitz to pay the $20,000 fine for filing a "frivolous" litigation. The judge said Taitz attempted to misuse the federal courts to push a political agenda.

Taitz sued in Georgia federal court on behalf of Army Capt. Connie Rhodes. Rhodes sought to avoid deployment to Iraq by claiming Obama wasn't born in the United States.

Justice Samuel Alito on Monday rejected Taitz's second request to block the sanctions. Justice Clarence Thomas had rejected the request earlier.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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KEYWORDS: birther; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; orly; scotus; taitz
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If Alito and Thomas are against Taitz, she doesn't have a chance.
1 posted on 08/16/2010 9:34:47 AM PDT by LonelyCon
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To: LonelyCon

America does not have a chance. Sickening.


2 posted on 08/16/2010 9:36:39 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats are the party of Islam.)
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To: LonelyCon

The fix was in at the Democratic National Convention in 2004.


3 posted on 08/16/2010 9:37:12 AM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: LonelyCon

I’d guess that Kennedy has expressed an opinion on not wanting to touch the birther issue.


4 posted on 08/16/2010 9:38:56 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: LonelyCon

So Alito and Thomas just found a way to uphold a $20,000 fine for using the Federal Courts for political purposes? If that’s the result, and Taitz is the only “sacrifice” ... sounds like a win-win. Haha.

“No, no ... don’t throw us into the briar patch!”

Michael Newdow might be fined into bankruptcy in the near future.

SnakeDoc


5 posted on 08/16/2010 9:39:15 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Shut it down" ... 00:00:03 ... 00:00:02 ... 00:00:01 ... 00:00:00.)
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To: Frantzie

Gee, do you think that maybe, just maybe, if rock-ribbed conservative jurist Clarence Thomas finds that Taitz’s actions were out of line, that they actually were?


6 posted on 08/16/2010 9:39:29 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Are you suggesting that Thomas has seen Zero’s long form birth certificate? If so, then he really ought to tell everyone what he saw to clear this whole mess up,


7 posted on 08/16/2010 9:41:23 AM PDT by IntolerantOfTreason (The AMERICAN President should be an AMERICAN, NOT an AFRICAN-American)
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To: LonelyCon

Very interesting.


8 posted on 08/16/2010 9:41:25 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: dirtboy

Not really, he’s just evading the issue....said so himself.


9 posted on 08/16/2010 9:42:10 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (People I know have papers for their mongrels.)
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To: PGalt

This Supreme Court is a pack of cowards.

They could have put an end to this whole thing by giving soemeone standing ,and hearing the case ,and forcing all the information to be shown.

Instead they pussyfooted around over standing and refused to hear the case from anyone .


10 posted on 08/16/2010 9:44:27 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: IntolerantOfTreason
Are you suggesting that Thomas has seen Zero’s long form birth certificate?

No, I am suggesting that Taitz actions in court warrant the sanctions directed at her. Wouldn't matter if the object of the lawsuit was about, say, a local zoning law as opposed to this subject, she still was out of order from what I have read.

11 posted on 08/16/2010 9:44:30 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: LonelyCon

When the mighty oppress the weak, in that kind of era —

which side are you on, brother?

Which side are you on?


12 posted on 08/16/2010 9:45:22 AM PDT by bvw
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To: LonelyCon

Regardless of the credibility of the cause, Taitz has been pretty wacky in her legal methods of championing it. She probably deserved the sanction. Too bad there wasn’t a more sane and competent attorney willing to fight for it.


13 posted on 08/16/2010 9:48:20 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: LonelyCon
I'm as much of a birther as anyone, but I read on another thread that if zero were found ineligible, then Biden who was legitimately elected as VP would serve and rubber stamp all the legislation and appointments.

This would not be a good outcome.

14 posted on 08/16/2010 9:52:14 AM PDT by zeebee
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To: zeebee

The best out come starts with the truth. Where was he born? Is he a natural born citizen. When those questions are answered, then the constitution is in force and let the chips fall. The country may better survive 2 years of Biden than 2 more years of what we have now.


15 posted on 08/16/2010 9:54:46 AM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: whence911

Obama is the bigger puppet of the two. Biden would at least makes mistakes in our favor out of stupidity and pride. And we could block some of his agenda without being called a racist. Obama is the perfect “The Manchurian Candidate” with an army of race pimps backing him up.


16 posted on 08/16/2010 9:59:07 AM PDT by BushCountry (I spoken many wise words in jest, but no comparison to the number of stupid words spoken in earnest)
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To: Venturer

I think they’ve been taken hostage by George Soros in league with the Islamists, who made the electronic run on the bank when McCain topped Obama in the polls and who have a standing threat to do it again if anybody balks at the communist/Islamist coup that’s been in quick process over the past 18 months.

I know it sounds crazy on the surface, but if I can get some urgent stuff done in the next couple weeks I’ll document and elaborate on my reasons for thinking this - not the least of which is that GW honestly seemed to believe that if TARP wasn’t passed the entire Western World as we know it would cease to exist. I remember at the time Drudge had headlines all at the same time, of GW saying the Western World would collapse, Chavez saying that since capitalism had failed we should do worldwide communism, Ahmadinejad saying since capitalism had failed we should do worldwide Sharia-compliant banking, and the IMF saying we were all screwed.

All in response to what we now know was one person’s electronic run on the bank in one day’s time. After that, everything changed in the election and in the rule of law. It was the beginning of the coup that got Obama into office and has kept him in office.

More reasons too, but I don’t have time to document it all now. Stevens calling Biden “Mr President” after swearing him in and Thomas saying they were evading the issue of whether you have to be born in America to be President are, I believe, quiet protests at being held hostage.


17 posted on 08/16/2010 10:01:43 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: zeebee

This is unchartered territory. No one knows what the outcome would be. The Constitution is not clear.

By my read Dick Cheney is now our President by law. The electoral college vote can’t be used as it is the fruit of fraud. George Dubya can not serve more than two terms. So it’s President-by-default Cheney.

I suspect that the major Constitutional crisis is one big reason some refuse to hear this case. That’s a result of AL Gore’s bad actions after his loss in Florida, compounded by the malfeasance actions of the Florida Supreme Court, which the US Supreme Court corrected, but in that correction felt uncomfortable. So tough for them!

Often periods of great civil unrest follow a period in which the weakling “great” harshly oppress the truly weak by no power greater than that very moral weakness. That’s where we are today.

Moral strength among the elites is almost nil.


18 posted on 08/16/2010 10:09:21 AM PDT by bvw
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To: BushCountry

Let the constitution play out.


19 posted on 08/16/2010 10:10:11 AM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: LonelyCon

“Justice Samuel Alito on Monday rejected Taitz’s second request” —

The AP article, which most of the news sources have picked up, has it wrong. Alito last week referred the matter to the full court, and it was the full court that turned it down.


20 posted on 08/16/2010 10:11:00 AM PDT by BigGuy22
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To: dirtboy
Don't even bother dirtboy.

This whole issue is driven by pure emotion.

Forget the fact that courts of law have such considerations to deal with as: jurisdiction, standing and procedure.

You can apparently just make up the answers to these issues as you go along as long as your intentions (i.e. helping two reservists trying to avoid being deployed to a forward area get a free pass) are good.

Forget about the fact that one of your clients has accused you of forging her signature and asked for you to be removed as her attorney, and forget about the fact that you asked the court to allow you to break your attorney-client privilege so you could dish dirt on one of your clients in violation of pretty much every ethical standard.

21 posted on 08/16/2010 10:11:13 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: dirtboy
Whether or not the judge was a foaming-at-the-mouth-Obama-commie-stooge, as I am sure Lawyer-Dentist Taitz must have said about one judge or another, she was mighty lucky to get away with the fine and not get horsewhipped down the courthouse steps.

Reading this "attorney's" pleadings was far worse than root canal. If Team Obama doesn't pay her fine, I'll chalk it up to their poor sportsmanship. She did them one hell of a lot more good than any of their high-priced lawyers ever did!

22 posted on 08/16/2010 10:12:15 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Republican Party was founded to Save the Union. Can it now Save the Republic?)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Too bad there wasn’t a more sane and competent attorney willing to fight for it.

This should tell you something.

23 posted on 08/16/2010 10:12:29 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Nightshift

gnip


24 posted on 08/16/2010 10:16:19 AM PDT by tutstar
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To: antiRepublicrat
Regardless of the credibility of the cause, Taitz has been pretty wacky in her legal methods of championing it. She probably deserved the sanction. Too bad there wasn’t a more sane and competent attorney willing to fight for it.

My thoughts exactly. It is truly a fascinating and unprecedented issue that deserves rational and sober litigation free of flim-flam types. Unfortunately, Taitz IMO is just that, a not-ready-for-prime-time type who has given the birther movement a bum rap.

25 posted on 08/16/2010 10:16:51 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Kenny Bunk
Whether or not the judge was a foaming-at-the-mouth-Obama-commie-stooge

Clay Land is actually a conservative Republican from Shreveport who was appointed to the Bench by W.

A legitimate attorney could probably not have asked for a more conservative, original-intent-minded federal judge.

26 posted on 08/16/2010 10:18:13 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: LonelyCon

More proof that the GOP is really nothing more than “Democrats with jobs”

Probably will turn down all the Prop 8 overturning challenges....and rule against SB 1070...just watch

I have no faith in the Supremicist Court


27 posted on 08/16/2010 10:18:24 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (JD for Senate ..... jdforsenate.com. You either voting for JD, or voting for the Liberal...)
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To: LonelyCon

Two weeks ago, Dr. Taitz filed a motion to reconsider the sanction, When a review of the so-called “Denial” was done, it found that while the “Denial” was allegedly issued, there were no signatures of any Justices nor was there any evidence of the alleged order being logged into the Supreme Court records. This initial motion was addressed to Justice Alito. Then, consistent with Dr. Taitz right to re-file the motion to another Justice she filed it with Justice Thomas. Now, according to her blog, and I show the link here indicating there are still no official signatures from either Justice Alito, or Justice Thomas:

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=13078

The point here being, once again the “clerks” of the Supreme Court are in full charge of said court and the Justices are mere spectators and onlookers. I suggest the people who log onto this blog to disparage the work of Dr. Taitz without knowing all the FACTS, please rethink their line of reasoning.
Simply put, while there is some kind of evidence the two Justices involved supposedly rejected Dr. Taitz’ motion, there is no evidence either of them have even read the papers, let alone passed some kind of ruling.


28 posted on 08/16/2010 10:20:39 AM PDT by MODELSHIPS
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To: dirtboy

No, I am suggesting that Taitz actions in court warrant the sanctions directed at her. Wouldn’t matter if the object of the lawsuit was about, say, a local zoning law as opposed to this subject, she still was out of order from what I have read.


It does not explain why other attorneys have been fined by the courts for presenting cases regarding Obama’s Birth issue. Taitz may not be a top flight lawyer...but more experienced lawyers dealing with the Birther issues have suffered the same fate as Taitz

You either a Birther or an Obama supporter


29 posted on 08/16/2010 10:22:08 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (JD for Senate ..... jdforsenate.com. You either voting for JD, or voting for the Liberal...)
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To: Frantzie

It looks very much like Alito and Thomas are saying that they won’t touch the “birther’ issue with a ten foot pole.


30 posted on 08/16/2010 10:23:26 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (REAL Americans Bow to No One But The Almighty! - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: LonelyCon

Jeeze. Alito and Thomas know only congress can remove a sitting president sworn in by the chief justice. This idea that they could go to court and sue under the claim that Obama was never ever president is silly, especially with his two new SCOTUS justices now on the court.

What now, sue the court claiming that Kagan and Sotomayor are not really justices?

Imagination-land!


31 posted on 08/16/2010 10:24:59 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
You either a Birther or an Obama supporter

And birthers wonder why they have a hard time appealing to a larger segment of the populace.

I'm sympathetic to the core birther issues.

But when you try to equate me to an Obama supporter, you can go suck eggs.

32 posted on 08/16/2010 10:25:08 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: zeebee
"then Biden who was legitimately elected as VP would serve"

Biden couldn't be worse than Obama.
I doubt Biden hates America or will bend over backwards for the Muslims.
Biden cares about himself and his own legacy. He'll pay attention to the polls and back off of controversial stuff.
Biden tends to say what's on his mind without thinking. That transparency could serve us well.

33 posted on 08/16/2010 10:28:02 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: wideawake
Several Judges really really tried to help Orly out by drawing for her simple-to-follow legal "roadmaps." Of course, Orly, who I suspect has inhaled too much Nitrous Oxide over at the office, refused to heed their sage advice.

But, what can I say? I am hopelessly in love with the woman, as apparently are all the other 75+ conservative trailer-park pundits in America! I mean the woman is a really good-looking in a kind of old-fashioned curvy sorta way!

However, her husband, who has had the horns put on him by one of Orly's "investigators," or something, has some fairly suspicious foreign connections. Are we sure George Soros isn't secretly behind this soap opera? Perhaps Orly doesn't even know .... I hope.

34 posted on 08/16/2010 10:28:40 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Republican Party was founded to Save the Union. Can it now Save the Republic?)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Sometimes things are just as they are. Incompentent in the case of Taitz....

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/16/scotus.birther.lawsuit.fine/#fbid=Qh2uQO1MYGv&wom=false

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Taitz had represented Capt. Connie Rhodes, an Army physician from Columbus, Georgia, who protested her pending deployment to Iraq. Taitz had argued in court the deployment was illegal because Obama had no authority to act as commander in chief since he was unconstitutionally serving as president.

A motion for a restraining order was ultimately rejected by Judge Clay Land of the Middle District of Georgia. According to court records, Taitz then filed for a rehearing, and publicly labeled the ruling an “act of treason.”

Rhodes later said that second motion, which also was rejected, was filed without her consent. Land then ruled the lawyer had filed “frivolous” litigation, had abused the civil judicial process, and fined her.

“Counsel’s pattern of conduct conclusively establishes she did not mistakenly violate a provision of law,” wrote Land. “She knowingly violated Rule 11 [of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure]. Her response to the court’s show cause order is breathtaking in its arrogance and borders on delusional.”
end snip


35 posted on 08/16/2010 10:30:29 AM PDT by deport
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To: Frantzie

The SCOTUS, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, etc. are fully aware of 0’bs true status, there are no secrets from these people. Therefore, we can reliably conclude they are all happily, willing, supporting TREASON in regards to 0’b.


36 posted on 08/16/2010 10:31:11 AM PDT by Waco (From Seward to Sarah)
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To: dirtboy

The actions of patriots in WOrcester MA, ,were out of line too in 1774. They didn’t like what the courts were doing to reorganize land into petty kingdoms for George III’s favorite nobles. They shut the courts down , and appointed their own judicial administrators until the Massachussets Congress convened. They were way out of Line. I laud Orly for being out of line as do millions of Americans.Who gives an eff about being out of line, its called for.

Besides, 60 per cent of the US already believes Obama was not born in the USA,and so Orly has already won , all this does is show how disempowered SCOTUS is in protecting America against a nationalist socialist movement.They do not think the constitution can do that, and so its up to the people themselves.

Soon the percentage mentioned above will reach 70%. And we will be rid of them at the polls, unless they figure out a way to traduce the election process.Then we will fight.


37 posted on 08/16/2010 10:34:01 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: DannyTN
I doubt Biden hates America...

I doubt Biden knows exactly what country he is in. If you're from Tennessee, you cannot possibly imagine how small the Delaware gene pool is.

The only fair thing to do for the rest of America is to give Rhode Island and Delaware combined, 1 Senator for both "states," to be appointed by Jim Robinson. Seriously, there isn't enough room in Rhode Island to back and turn an 18-wheeler, so why two Senators? Delaware has more resident chickens than citizens .... and they may be smarter. Or at least smarter than Biden, which ain't saying much for the poultry.

38 posted on 08/16/2010 10:35:47 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Republican Party was founded to Save the Union. Can it now Save the Republic?)
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To: Drew68

But it won’t.


39 posted on 08/16/2010 10:38:08 AM PDT by lucysmom (Trolling since 2001.)
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To: Candor7
didn’t like what the courts were doing to reorganize land into petty kingdoms for George III’s favorite nobles.

Sorry, but comparing the actions of the Revolutionary Patriots to Orly getting spanked for blatant violations of procedure outlined in post 35 is pretty absurd.

40 posted on 08/16/2010 10:38:30 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Last chance may be Mario Apuzzo’s case which is supposed to go to SCOTUS soon. He was denied at the appeals court and it is the best case of all that has been filed.

Also McCain or Palin have standing if they brought a case.


41 posted on 08/16/2010 10:40:49 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats are the party of Islam.)
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To: zeebee; LonelyCon
At the absolute bare minimum....there is no question Biden is Constitutionally qualified (i.e. a Natural Born Citizen).

Therefore, replacing the usurper with the far less than "ideal" Biden would be a win for the Constitution and therefore for America.

b.t.w. Since removing Barry from office for being unqualified from the beginning would be uncharted territory...who's to say for certain that Biden's having been selected as a running mate by someone who was unqualified for office to begin with...wouldn't be challenged as well?

42 posted on 08/16/2010 10:40:51 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Venturer
This Supreme Court is a pack of cowards.

BUMP! America's robed mullahs have spoken. Those Check$ and Balance$ on the totalitarian branch must be rolling in.

43 posted on 08/16/2010 10:43:24 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: sickoflibs

Wrong. Apuzzo’s case was filed before he was POTUS and after he was POTUS. The case is being tee’d up for SCOTUS because it has gone through the appeals court.


44 posted on 08/16/2010 10:43:46 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats are the party of Islam.)
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To: LonelyCon

We don’t have a chance either but surrender in not an option. I contributed a few times to the patriotic Dr. as she sees where we are headed through her own experience.


45 posted on 08/16/2010 10:50:00 AM PDT by mcshot (Who is the power behind the MSM that is trying to take-down our Country?)
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To: dirtboy

Of course its absurd to you. Thats because you do not know really what the context of what we are facing. LOL .
The only difference between Ory Taitz and her supporters is that they understand what the nation faces. Her detractors do not, and you do not obviously.Itwas thesamein 1774, so many were content to think that judging thoise who actto preserve liberty are just idiosyncratic unskilled unsophisticated neophites. Inn the end those very people turned out to be ignorant cowards. It will be the same once again.

Maybe a little reading might assist you.You are on the wrong side of history.And so is SCOTUS.The world to which you relate no longer exists.Paragigm shift required.But then cowards rarely have the kind of courage to bring that about, they have to suffer the desperate personal loss of liberty due to our current government predation before that happens.

Barrak Obama, The Quintessential Fascist by Kyle-Ann Shiver:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


46 posted on 08/16/2010 10:52:29 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: whence911
>"Is he a natural born citizen."

His father is British. So NO, he is NOT NBC. He is a dual born citizen at best.

If Osama Bin Laden got an American woman pregnant, would that child be eligable? How about Adolph, Stalin, or Mao?

That is the reason and logic for the NBC clause. To prevent foreign influence\usurpation.

47 posted on 08/16/2010 10:54:46 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you, O you most proud, said the Lord God of hosts.)
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To: IntolerantOfTreason
Are you suggesting that Thomas has seen Zero’s long form birth certificate? If so, then he really ought to tell everyone what he saw to clear this whole mess up...

I'm guessing that all Justice Thomas needed to see were the facts of the case. That, and maybe a copy of the brief Taitz filed with the 9th Circuit week before last.

48 posted on 08/16/2010 10:56:42 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: butterdezillion
I know it sounds crazy on the surface, but if I can get some urgent stuff done in the next couple weeks I’ll document and elaborate on my reasons for thinking this - not the least of which is that GW honestly seemed to believe that if TARP wasn’t passed the entire Western World as we know it would cease to exist.

Ping me when you do please.

49 posted on 08/16/2010 10:58:32 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: rawcatslyentist

Precisely. Regardless of where ever he may have been born, he (Barry Obama) was born a subject to the crown of her majesty the Queen of England and therefore never was and never could be a “Natural Born Citizen” as known and intended by the framers when they put that requirement in place for the Commander in Chief of the armed forces.


50 posted on 08/16/2010 10:58:55 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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