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'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Discharges Hit Lesbians Hardest
aol news :nation ^ | August 16, 2010 | Andrea Stone

Posted on 08/16/2010 11:09:38 AM PDT by sickoflibs

WASHINGTON (Aug. 16) -- The military is throwing out women disproportionately under its "don't ask, don't tell" policy, even as the number of service members discharged for being gay reached a new low last year.

According to Pentagon statistics released by the Palm Center at the University of California, Santa Barbara, 428 service members were discharged in 2009 under the policy that President Barack Obama has vowed to end. That's the lowest number since the policy began in 1994 and continues a steady decline that began after the 9/11 attacks.

More than 13,500 gays and lesbians have been discharged since the policy began. In 2001, the peak year for discharges, 1,273 were removed from the military for being gay.

As in past years, the policy affected women in greater numbers than men:

Army: Lesbians accounted for 48 percent of 195 discharges under the don't-ask, don't-tell policy, even though women make up only 14 percent of the force. That's up from 2008, when women represented 36 percent of Army discharges under the policy.

Air Force: More than half, 51 percent, of those discharged were women, who make up 20 percent of the service.

Marines: Nearly one in four, or 23 percent, of discharges under the policy were women, who make up just 6 percent of the Marines. That's up from 18 percent the year before.

Navy: The sea service discharged 22 women, or 27 percent of the total ousted for being gay. Women comprise 14 percent of naval personnel.

The data also showed that in the midst of two wars, the military continued to discharge highly trained service members in mission-critical areas. Among those ousted for being gay: seven combat engineers, eight linguists, 20 infantrymen and 16 medical aides.

"These data show, yet again, that 'don't ask, don't tell' undermines national security," said Aaron Belkin, director of the Palm Center, a gay-rights advocacy group that focuses on military issues. "Why are we firing linguists and infantrymen in the middle of two wars?"

The statistics were released a day after the deadline for service members to return surveys on the Pentagon policy. Despite sending out 400,000 questionnaires, just over one in four were returned. The results will be considered by a Pentagon working group that will report its recommendations on how to lift the policy no later than Dec. 1.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dadt; dadtdontaskdonttell; dontaskdonttell; gay; lesbian; lesbonaziagenda; lesbonazism; military
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To: FreeStateYank
Talked to a friend who was posted on a base in Iraq. He said eryone knew who was gay or lesbian, but it was not normally an issue. BUT, some of the lesbian women would really give straight women the eyeball in the showers, making the straight women quite uncomfortable. Heard some even talked about what they saw to some men. Very weird and just wrong. Maybe straight women are less likely to beat the snot out of a creepy woman, than straight guys, so maybe intimidation is more of a problem with women?

What straight men have to realize, is that a lesbian woman who does this sort of thing is not doing them any favors and is definitely not on their side.

They are just trying to stir things up among the straight guys and gals and cause trouble between them by telling the guys what the straight women look like naked.

The straight guys have to tell the lesbians to STFU when they start talking about that sort of stuff, and walk away and not give them an audience.

The straight guys have to realize this: The straight women are their sisters. The lesbians are the enemies of and trying to make trouble for their straight sisters.

41 posted on 08/16/2010 7:04:54 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (...he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one... Luke 22:36)
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To: Bartholomew Roberts

“If you ask me, those are some cunning linguists.”
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For sure that! I think lesbians would make great infantry soldiers, I hear that even with a full pack and weapons they can still run lickety split.


42 posted on 08/16/2010 7:05:53 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: Brucifer

LOL!


43 posted on 08/16/2010 7:08:41 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: sickoflibs
Stupid women don't want to fulfill their obligation.
They get orders they don't like, so they say their homosexual.
They should fulfill their commitment plus ten years in prison.
44 posted on 08/16/2010 7:11:54 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: martin_fierro

“Discharges Hit Lesbians Hardest”...


45 posted on 08/16/2010 9:15:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: BBell; Brucifer

>>>> Your post sounds like something out of a Mel Brooks film, or Monty Python.

I think that’s more Bill Murray/Rick Moranis territory. Terrific story!


46 posted on 08/17/2010 1:02:20 AM PDT by tlb
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To: SunkenCiv
“Discharges Hit Lesbians Hardest”...


47 posted on 08/17/2010 4:04:07 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: sickoflibs

Placemark.


48 posted on 08/17/2010 7:24:10 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
What straight men have to realize, is that a lesbian woman who does this sort of thing is not doing them any favors and is definitely not on their side. They are just trying to stir things up among the straight guys and gals and cause trouble between them by telling the guys what the straight women look like naked. The straight guys have to tell the lesbians to STFU when they start talking about that sort of stuff, and walk away and not give them an audience. The straight guys have to realize this: The straight women are their sisters. The lesbians are the enemies of and trying to make trouble for their straight sisters. Agree 100%. Thankfully, the guys relaying the story to my friend were pretty disgusted by the whole thing. Rather like drilling a hole in the wall. Also takes some of the fun of consensual, er, discovery. Doubt the guys told the tattle-tales off. Impression was the guys didn't show a reaction in the hopes the blabber mouth would go away.
49 posted on 08/17/2010 9:36:07 PM PDT by FreeStateYank (I want my country and constitution back, now!)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
Also lesbians have lover’s spats, sometimes leading up to physical fights, and sometimes there is physical abuse in the relationship that would be called clearly Domestic Violence if it were a Man-Woman couple. I've read of TWO civilian assaults within the past year. One in the UK, one US. The more masculine partner in both cases was trying to force pregnancy on a partner. Turkey baster with someones sperm in the UK case and forced sex, IIRC, in the second. Can we all say, 'Ewwwwwww'! There needs to be some real honesty out there. Judging by these two cases [and I believe both were repeated efforts!] there is some serious abuse going on between same sex couples. But that does not fit the meme, so we only hear about hetro male against hetero female. And I really feel sorry for any hetro man getting abused by a woman. They're totally screwed. Probably be hard to bring a case.
50 posted on 08/17/2010 9:45:02 PM PDT by FreeStateYank (I want my country and constitution back, now!)
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To: FreeStateYank
What straight men have to realize, is that a lesbian woman who does this sort of thing is not doing them any favors and is definitely not on their side. They are just trying to stir things up among the straight guys and gals and cause trouble between them by telling the guys what the straight women look like naked. The straight guys have to tell the lesbians to STFU when they start talking about that sort of stuff, and walk away and not give them an audience. The straight guys have to realize this: The straight women are their sisters. The lesbians are the enemies of and trying to make trouble for their straight sisters.

Agree 100%. Thankfully, the guys relaying the story to my friend were pretty disgusted by the whole thing. Rather like drilling a hole in the wall. Also takes some of the fun of consensual, er, discovery. Doubt the guys told the tattle-tales off. Impression was the guys didn't show a reaction in the hopes the blabber mouth would go away.

I am glad to hear that is how they handled it.

Also lesbians have lover’s spats, sometimes leading up to physical fights, and sometimes there is physical abuse in the relationship that would be called clearly Domestic Violence if it were a Man-Woman couple.

I've read of TWO civilian assaults within the past year. One in the UK, one US. The more masculine partner in both cases was trying to force pregnancy on a partner... There needs to be some real honesty out there. Judging by these two cases ... there is some serious abuse going on between same sex couples. But that does not fit the meme, so we only hear about hetro male against hetero female.

The Domestic Violence "system" is clearly set up to deal with heterosexual men battering heterosexual women, and apparently what doesn't fit into that category doesn't get treated as Domestic Violence.

Same sex Domestic Abuse seems to b treated more like two equals fighting - like if two same sex heterosexual college roommates were fighting over something - it would be treated as assault but not as Domestic Violence.

Doing a search online for "Lesbian Domestic Violence" brings up some stories that people who work in emergency rooms see a lot more women severely beaten up by their same sex partner than is reported.

And I really feel sorry for any hetro man getting abused by a woman. They're totally screwed. Probably be hard to bring a case.

Doing a search online for information it becomes clear that the only thing a heterosexual man can do in such a situation is to leave her.

http://www.dvmen.org/dv-143.htm#pgfId-998197

What options does an abused man have?

What can you do if you, the male, are being abused? Under the current laws virtually the only alternative is to leave before you end up in jail as a result of her attacks. That is not the answer you want to hear but it is the only realistic one under current ... laws. If you have children, or own a home, you will be infinitely better off in a divorce if you leave before you are charged with domestic violence than after. You may be able to take the children with you, or to their grandparents, but talk with an attorney first.

Trying to stick it out and help when a woman is battering you is probably not going to work as Harry Stewart, among many others, found.

You will be arrested and jailed if she charges you with domestic violence, or 911 is dialed during an argument. You will then have only the clothes you are wearing at the time of the arrest. Your children will be left in the custody of your spouse, or taken to a foster home. If you have a police officer accompany you, you can return one time to get any items from your home that are undisputed, and that can be moved in that time period. But note that the police are there to protect her, not you, a fact that cost a University of Colorado professor his life when his wife shot him in the presence of a female Boulder police officer in December, 1997.

It is also very likely that she will later charge you with physical or sexual abuse of your children after she charges you with domestic violence or abuse.

Your best bet might be the tactic many women use: If you file a restraining order first, then she must leave the house. If you have visible injuries from her abuse, you are certainly entitled to file a restraining order or domestic violence charges against her. Do not expect cooperation from the "male-haters anonymous," excuse us, "victim's assistance" women at the courthouse. As a test, a local group had both a man and a woman try to file a restraining order based on exactly the same charges. The woman was given the order, the man was rebuffed. Thus, you are well-advised to have an attorney with you when filing. If filing first isn't feasible, wait till she goes to work, or is out of the house, then pack up what you can and get out. Depending on circumstances, your attorney might even advise you to take the children with you, or leave them with the grandparents if you have to leave your home. Men with abusive wives have nightmares about leaving their children to the tender mercies of the woman as such women also commonly abuse children.

51 posted on 08/18/2010 6:06:40 AM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (...he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one... Luke 22:36)
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To: sickoflibs

Duh.


52 posted on 08/18/2010 6:31:55 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Bush: Mission Accomplished. Obama: Commission Accomplished.)
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