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Mummified Babies from 1930s Found in L.A. Apartment Building
KTLA News ^ | August 18, 2010 | Eric Spillman

Posted on 08/18/2010 11:06:37 AM PDT by Beaten Valve

LOS ANGELES -- An investigation is under way after the skeletal remains of two babies, believed to be at least 70 years old, were found wrapped in historic newspapers in the basement of an apartment building in the Westlake District of Los Angeles.

The grim discovery was made Tuesday evening in the 800 block of Lake Street, near James M. Wood Boulevard.

Workers were clearing out the basement for renovations when they spotted the remains inside a steamer trunk, LAPD Lt. Cory Palka said.

The babies' bodies were wrapped in Los Angeles Times newspapers dated between 1930 and 1934. News headlines at the time were about Depression-era gangster John Dillinger.

Also inside the trunk were photographs, ticket stubs from the closing ceremonies of the 1932 Olympic games and some personal letters to family members.

It's believed the remains may be 70 to 80 years old.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 1930; babies; bodies
Only in LA...
1 posted on 08/18/2010 11:06:44 AM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: Beaten Valve
...two babies, believed to be at least 70 years old

I know that people are maturing later these days, but this is ridiculous.

2 posted on 08/18/2010 11:08:04 AM PDT by thesharkboy (<-- Looking for the silver lining in every cloud, since 1998)
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To: Beaten Valve

The personal letters and DNA testing should make it possible to identify the remains. Still bizarre.


3 posted on 08/18/2010 11:09:11 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: Beaten Valve

Maybe they died of natural causes...flu, Scarlet fever, etc.?


4 posted on 08/18/2010 11:10:43 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: Beaten Valve
Eric needs a competent editor, or at least a headline writer. They remains were either mummified or skeletal. You cannot have it both ways.
5 posted on 08/18/2010 11:11:13 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: Beaten Valve

These kids died during depression days, providing us with an example of what we’ll see in the upcoming Obama depression.


6 posted on 08/18/2010 11:18:39 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years)
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To: Beaten Valve

And here I’m only use the LA Times for wrapping my fish...


7 posted on 08/18/2010 11:18:39 AM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
They remains were either mummified or skeletal. You cannot have it both ways.

The site, possibly changed since this was posted, shows "mummified" both in the headline and the article body, where this copy shows "skeletal".

8 posted on 08/18/2010 11:18:44 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Beaten Valve

Bush’s fault.


9 posted on 08/18/2010 11:20:13 AM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Unless these infants were somehow put in a database, DNA is not going to identify them. It is also highly unlikely their parents from 80 years ago will be in any DNA database.


10 posted on 08/18/2010 11:20:13 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Respectfully disagree. Many anorexia patients are referred to as skeletal even while they are alive.

Pelosi is frequently described as skeletal in appearance.

You taking the word too literally. IMO


11 posted on 08/18/2010 11:20:58 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: thackney

They may have cousins, nephews or neices around.


12 posted on 08/18/2010 11:23:06 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
You cannot have it both ways.

I thought that was the basis of the liberal mind.

13 posted on 08/18/2010 11:23:10 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: 240B

“Pelosi is frequently described as skeletal in appearance.”

I thought she was described as being Skelator!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skelator


14 posted on 08/18/2010 11:25:20 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: OldNavyVet
These kids died during depression days, providing us with an example of what we’ll see in the upcoming Obama depression.

With Olympic ticket stubs, indicating disposable income.

15 posted on 08/18/2010 11:26:16 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

“They remains were either mummified or skeletal. You cannot have it both ways.”

I take that as just one more piece of evidence that “reporters” are stupid.


16 posted on 08/18/2010 11:27:54 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Beaten Valve

The Times also makes great bird cage liners or potty trays for dogs.


17 posted on 08/18/2010 11:28:41 AM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: 240B
When referring to human remains the adjective “skeletal” means without significant amounts of soft tissue, while mummified implies preserved dessicated soft tissue. When referring to a live person, “skeletal” means gaunt, emaciated, like concentration camp survivors, while “mummified” always refers to Nancy Pelosi.
18 posted on 08/18/2010 11:29:30 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: dsc

The headline writer and reporter may not be the same person or even in the same room. It now appears that the headline and text agree on mummified. Still a weird story.


19 posted on 08/18/2010 11:30:57 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
I think you have Pelosi confused with Alan "Skelator" Colmes.


20 posted on 08/18/2010 11:31:55 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (For the first time in half a century, there is no former KKK member in the US Senate.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Nah! He looks like the evil leprechaun from those dumb movies!


21 posted on 08/18/2010 11:34:37 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I think you over estimate the ability of a DNA search.

I think if you have already selected someone it might tell you there is a possibility of a distant relationship. But I do not believe it would pull out identities of cousins or the like.


22 posted on 08/18/2010 11:37:34 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
...while “mummified” always refers to Nancy Pelosi.

:-)

23 posted on 08/18/2010 11:45:11 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: thackney

I think there’s a good chance of showing a close relationship. Some traits persist for generations. There is a trait common to Cohen men that can be found in a southern African population that claims descent from that tribe thousands of years later.

Basically, I think it might screen candidates, since they have the names from the letters.


24 posted on 08/18/2010 11:45:52 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: OldMissileer

Experts disagree over whether or not Madam Speaker should be classified as a live person.

BTW, what kind of missileer are you? I’m a former 15 ECHO. I got upgraded from a 15E20 to a 15E40 without ever having the necessity of taking any training or touching a missile, just staying alive for a year.


25 posted on 08/18/2010 11:49:22 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: Beaten Valve

On the next PAWN STARS


26 posted on 08/18/2010 11:49:22 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Beaten Valve

Michael Savage told a story some years ago about when he was a kid, and his father who owned an antique/junk store came into possession of a steamer trunk of personal belongings that, judging from the contents had probably belonged to a nun. They were going through it to see what could be sold and came across a mysterious bundle at the bottom amongst letters and personal effects. It turned out to be a mummified fetus. Savage conjectured that it may have been an abortion, or a stillbirth, but the experience remained with him all these years later. I guess the upshot is that “stuff happened” even back then.


27 posted on 08/18/2010 11:58:42 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Traits are not the same as DNA ratios of base pairs of the 46 chromosomes.

As I understand it, if you had someone you already thought was a cousin, DNA testing would show the likelyhood that they were related.

But it is not going to pull those relations out of a larger database. The combinations and possibilities are too immense.

DNA Identification Technology
http://dna-view.com/DNAtechID.htm#kinship


28 posted on 08/18/2010 12:04:55 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

I think I said, since they have letters and correspondence, they could use DNA to screen candidates. I agree, if they had to start cold DNA by itself wouldn’t be much good.


29 posted on 08/18/2010 12:09:30 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: Beaten Valve
Only in LA...

Hey in was story's of 30' LA that invented Film Noir

30 posted on 08/18/2010 12:15:23 PM PDT by tophat9000 (.............................. BP + BO = BS ...........................Formula for a disaster...)
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To: Beaten Valve

Depression Era...

A lot of children died
No jobs, No food, No antibiotics
No money to even bury...

I suspect a repeat performance is around the corner
in a country near you...


31 posted on 08/18/2010 12:16:32 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Unless they are parents, or multiple sibilings, not cousins, aunts, uncles or further generations, there is very little possibility of any match. And that is dependent on people from 80 years ago being placed in a DNA database.

Kinship Analysis
http://massfatality.dna.gov/Chapter12/KinshipAnalysis/


32 posted on 08/18/2010 12:23:21 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thesharkboy
An investigation is under way after the skeletal remains of two babies, believed to be at least 70 years old, were found ...

I believe that since the author put a comma after "babies," what is at least 70 years old are the remains. If the author had omitted the comma, then it would have read, as you thought, that the babies were 70 years old. So, I think the sentence reads correctly.
33 posted on 08/18/2010 12:40:40 PM PDT by rimtop56
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To: thackney

Just as a curiosity, let’s say someone wanted to try and unravel this mystery. Perhaps one can review property records for that location or material that was in and around that trunk such as postmarked letters to the inhabitants and get a name of the people who lived there. Couldn’t they then track down either the people or their relatives to get DNA samples? As far as the people from that era being dead, if one can find heirs who still have their personal effects, can they get DNA samples from locks of hair, brushes, combs?


34 posted on 08/18/2010 12:45:03 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: JewishRighter

This was an apartment building.

Owners would likely have been other persons.

Finding the information of who was living inside an apartment in those days would be difficult.

Apartments often wre rented including utilities- instead of separate billing for each apartment.

Would make a great Cold Case episode, tho, would it not?


35 posted on 08/18/2010 1:02:51 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: JewishRighter

From what I understand, which isn’t much, parents, children and possibly siblings can be identified. Farther away from that appears to be wishful thinking.


36 posted on 08/18/2010 1:29:42 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
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37 posted on 08/18/2010 1:40:55 PM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: SpaceBar

Sad story


38 posted on 08/18/2010 2:02:00 PM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: HangnJudge

Depression days ... I remember young men coming to our door to sell food their mother cooked.

That led us into eating a lot of fried corn-meal mush — it was cheap and tasted great with a little sugar or syrup.

Lesson there is that buying food from needy folks is a good thing to do.


39 posted on 08/18/2010 2:02:35 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years)
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To: b4its2late

Oh maaaaan! And I was just startin’ to think about dinner! Oh well,,,, I need to “loose” a few pounds anyway!


40 posted on 08/18/2010 2:05:43 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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