Skip to comments.The Conservative Case for Gay Marriage
Posted on 08/19/2010 6:18:04 AM PDT by throwback
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Ha Ha Ha! An “internet martyr”!
Someone - grant him his wish! Please! Fry him good!
Unless we get government out of marriage, we will get homo marriage legalized nationwide, enforced and sanctioned by government within 10 years based on equal protection precedents. I don't like it, but that's what it is going to be, and it will be subsidized with my tax money which offends me even more than homo marriage does in the first place.
DJ - did you see the above??
see post 124. From what I researched, the founding fathers jailed or hanged homos. So much for the “constitutional” argument for depravity.
The information Olson’s side provided at trial in front of Judge Walker, goes against almost every single point he tries to make.
Divorce rates in Mass have risen 4.3% whereas the rest of the country has seen a 2.7% drop in divorce, all in the four years since homosexual marriage was judicially enacted (I’m pretty sure of my figures and can easily find out as the testimony from the trial is available to all).
European Countries that have legalized gay marriage not only have the lowest levels of married heterosexuals in the Western world, they also have the highest divorce rates.
Each one of their experts testified that gay marriage would change marriage in some way, not one would say that it had no effect on society. Most did say they did not know what effects would come from gay marriage, with one who specifically stated higher divorce rates are being noticed in all countries and states that have allowed gay marriage.
The first researchers who studied the possibility of homosexual marriage ALL are very open and honest about their desire to end marriage. Each went into their research with the stated intent to prove marriage has a harmful role in society and should be ended. They also admit to emphasizing in their research only that which fit their intentions while dismissing or ignoring anything that deviated from their beliefs.
These same researchers who championed homosexual marriage have also been proponents of communism, Marxism and socialism and have attempted to prove through their research that societies benefit only from complete government control in all areas.
No, their marriages are not meaningless, they are a stepping stone to ending marriages role in society while pushing for a society that is “married” to a huge, centralized, government with full control over every aspect of our lives.
It is one thing to claim that a law that congress passes is unconstitutional. But these liberal judges order the local governments to issue marriage licenses for the first time in history. They are claiming a lack of action, the non-issuing same sex couple marriage licenses, is forbid by the US constitution (suddenly) and they therefore order the state to do it regardless of the law and the state constitution. Sexual desire defines a special protected class with new rights to government action.
Watching Ted Olsen argue this liberal logic is sickening.
Ann Coulter put it best. " If you are going to replace a 10,000 year old tradition, at least give us a vote on it.'
We have what's needed already. Wills, power of attorney, power of appointment. Those cover what is needed. When it gets further pushed, then government starts sanctioning civil unions and partnerships, essentially endorsing gay marriage and that's where I start having a problem.
Government should get out of marriage. I agree. The rest should be private contracts between consenting adults without anything forced on others. No more. No less.
The difference is that the examples of heterosexuals” abusing their daughters is infinitessimal and condemned by 99.9999% of other heterosexuals, whereas affairs like the Folsom Street Perversion festival are common occurances in many cities and applauded and taken part in by large numbers of homosexuals and never condemned by any.
Your arguments are pathetically weak, lame and meaningless.
Noob, I'd tread carefully here. Show me that phrase in the Constitution.
Civil partnerships for anyone who has no religious connections.
No special rights based on deviant behavior.
See post 124. I rest my case.
I think that’s part of what this thread is about; society’s continuing downward movement. Are you suggesting that we throw in the towel?
There is no conservative case for homosexual marriage, nor can there ever be.
I saw the words Newsweek and Ted Olson and didn’t read any further. However, I’m pretty sure Barbara Olson wouldn’t have condoned such usurping of the American voters by a judicial effort and an openly gay judge at that.
Maybe Ted has a new boyfriend...
I equally and strongly believe that it is predetermined (as does Olson)
Your strongly held belief is based on belief only and has no evidence whatsoever to back it up. Homosexuals have been trying to find hard evidence but have failed to so do.
OTOH, there are countless numbers of former homosexuals. If they were born “gay”, they could not change. But many have.
Yet another weak, pathetic homosexual agenda talking point lie.
I would guess that quote is going to get a lot of use in the near future.
-At this rate, Sparta which utilized homosexuality actively may well outlive the United States...sorry to say.
What??? The Spartan society which “utilizied homosexuality actively” is still functioning?
You are really out of your mind.
Oh please. The courts just struck down Prop 8. And gays are winning with special hate crime laws that afford them special protection that lifts them above average citizens.
I notice he didn't specify which religion, I wonder why?
You gonna agree with Obama and tell us that muslims built America?
Everything that poster has said has been “victimish” and over the top.
Yep. There’s an agenda!
Barbara Olsen must be spinning...
Ted should know better than this.
Ann is exactly right.
Congratulations! Forty years! That’s wonderful. :)
I advocate neither mosques or fairs. I advocate simply for the true rights of man.
Yeah, the rights of Muslims to celebrate their massacre of large numbers of infidels with a victory mosque on the place of massacre, and the rights of mentally ill sexual perverts to attempt to change Natural Law.
What a conservative you are! /puke
I have posted it everyday.
That’s a great quote. Do you have a source? I’m going to add it to my collection.
Only six that I know of have been banned. More need to. When one gets banned, the others shut up for a while, at least on that specific thread.
This thread needs a big fat ZOT.
Marriage is based on the laws of nature which are immutable. Way before any church doctrines.
Man, woman, babies - natural law.
Two men, anuses, or two women, licking, implements - etc - unnatural!
Sheesh, use your brain!
Ted Olson has actually come out for the Victory Mosque?
The same Ted Olson whose wife Barbara died aboard one of the hijacked planes on 9-11.
I just can’t believe it.
Another homosexual agenda pushing troll.
See my comment right above.
It’s about natural law, think about it. Way above and beyond any religious doctrine.
Thanks for this ping! Who would have ever thought the Country would have ever degenerated to this point.
“If we don’t fight for the truth, we lose. Sitting back insures defeat.”
Sad but true.
Thank you, Jim.
There are many more. Just type in Founding Fathers on Homosexuality
(I noticed the creep got the ZOT ;-)
It seems to me that the ‘consenting adult’ defense, could not be limited to homosexuality once it was cast in granite.
Murder, robbery, theft...
Now I understand that it could be said that these would involve an innocent.
What is society if not an innocent in the face of sodomy, homosexuality?
I know, I know,... this will seem absurd to some. And then you see the impact on society as marriage is devalued to mean almost nothing.
We have to teach our children from kindergarten on, that homosexuality is as valid as heterosexuality. In effect, we have to assault the most vulnerable in our society, to codify the normalcy of consenting adults.
The innocent third party is therefore exposed, and indefensible...
This is a road marker. Societies that reach the stage where perversion is accepted with open arms, are already over the cliff, and simply awaiting the thud.
Exactly. Homosxual agenda pushers ignore all the many arguments that prove them utterly wrong and just carry on as though said arguments were never made.
They cannot debate rationally because they have no rational arguments on their side, and cannot defeat the rational arguments on our side.
They have nothing but twisted emotions and yelling and repetition. Just like all leftists.
I guess it’s time for me to post again the reasons homosexual activists themselves give for wanting same sex marriage. Next post!
Very good points you make.
The history channel implied that washington turned a blind eye to the european, whose name escapes me right now, to his homosexual proclivities with boys. It was in in that propagandumentary “the story of US”
baron von Steuben.
One major problem with societal acceptance of homos is clear..
Homos only represent 1 or 2% of society, therefore, by definition, there is a scarcity of product. This causes homos to recruit children. NAMBLA is a good example. There is nothing more sick in this world than NAMBLA,and they would be empowered with societal acceptance of homosexual marriage. Sodom and Gomorrah redux.
Not really, sad; but should be energizing! The founding fathers pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. Many lost their lives and their fortunes, but for fighting for good no one ever lost their honor.
We should be inspired to do no less!
It’s time to get seriously activated. Assaults are incoming on every front. Courage! I love this quote, inspires me every time I read it:
Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.
C. S. Lewis
I need to build up my file again.
I’ve seen him before. I think “gay” activist, myself.
But he’s zotted now. Need graphics!
I meant to ping you to post 193.
We need some zot graphics. This is a troll who’s been around for a while and been on my radar screen before. It was a good fight and could use some commemoration!
If you have more names of people who post zot graphics let me know.
Read it - good point. And the homosexual agenda pushers do want lowering or elimination of the age of consent, they just don’t say too much publicly now. Kevin Jennings the “safe schools czar” has supported NAMBLA and Harry Hay, NAMBLA’s commie pervert founder.