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The Conservative Case for Gay Marriage
Newsweek ^ | January 09, 2010 | Ted Olsen

Posted on 08/19/2010 6:18:04 AM PDT by throwback

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To: DJ MacWoW

Ha Ha Ha! An “internet martyr”!

Someone - grant him his wish! Please! Fry him good!


151 posted on 08/19/2010 9:46:05 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: longtermmemmory
Straw man. Marriage is a religious institution. Not a government one. Government is not God. My church (which does not recognize most civil marriages) would never recognize gay marriage, incest, animals, etc. Government out of marriage wouldn't change the criminal sexual conduct laws in this state. They would stay either life in prison or 15 year felonies depending on the crime.

Unless we get government out of marriage, we will get homo marriage legalized nationwide, enforced and sanctioned by government within 10 years based on equal protection precedents. I don't like it, but that's what it is going to be, and it will be subsidized with my tax money which offends me even more than homo marriage does in the first place.

152 posted on 08/19/2010 9:46:38 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (I don't look for leaders. I follow my own path, my way.)
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To: johnnycap; DJ MacWoW
All citizens should have access to a domestic partnership contract that is exactly the same for all (polygamy, age of consent, ability to consent etc. can be worked out through debate and discourse).

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DJ - did you see the above??

153 posted on 08/19/2010 9:48:49 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

see post 124. From what I researched, the founding fathers jailed or hanged homos. So much for the “constitutional” argument for depravity.


154 posted on 08/19/2010 9:48:59 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (.Go troops! " Vote out RINOS. They screw you EVERY time" Jim Robinson)
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To: little jeremiah

The information Olson’s side provided at trial in front of Judge Walker, goes against almost every single point he tries to make.

Divorce rates in Mass have risen 4.3% whereas the rest of the country has seen a 2.7% drop in divorce, all in the four years since homosexual marriage was judicially enacted (I’m pretty sure of my figures and can easily find out as the testimony from the trial is available to all).

European Countries that have legalized gay marriage not only have the lowest levels of married heterosexuals in the Western world, they also have the highest divorce rates.

Each one of their experts testified that gay marriage would change marriage in some way, not one would say that it had no effect on society. Most did say they did not know what effects would come from gay marriage, with one who specifically stated higher divorce rates are being noticed in all countries and states that have allowed gay marriage.

The first researchers who studied the possibility of homosexual marriage ALL are very open and honest about their desire to end marriage. Each went into their research with the stated intent to prove marriage has a harmful role in society and should be ended. They also admit to emphasizing in their research only that which fit their intentions while dismissing or ignoring anything that deviated from their beliefs.

These same researchers who championed homosexual marriage have also been proponents of communism, Marxism and socialism and have attempted to prove through their research that societies benefit only from complete government control in all areas.

No, their marriages are not meaningless, they are a stepping stone to ending marriages role in society while pushing for a society that is “married” to a huge, centralized, government with full control over every aspect of our lives.


155 posted on 08/19/2010 9:49:08 AM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; sickoflibs; NFHale; hiredhand; Liz; DoughtyOne; mkjessup
RE :” dont demand that anyone toe the line for my theology [unlike muzzies] but the institution of marriage predates our society, as does ‘divorce’...any tinkering with it by man is simply for greed, or to attempt to avoid repentence for their own past & current sexual indiscretions...

It is one thing to claim that a law that congress passes is unconstitutional. But these liberal judges order the local governments to issue marriage licenses for the first time in history. They are claiming a lack of action, the non-issuing same sex couple marriage licenses, is forbid by the US constitution (suddenly) and they therefore order the state to do it regardless of the law and the state constitution. Sexual desire defines a special protected class with new rights to government action.

Watching Ted Olsen argue this liberal logic is sickening.

Ann Coulter put it best. " If you are going to replace a 10,000 year old tradition, at least give us a vote on it.'

156 posted on 08/19/2010 9:50:02 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: johnnycap
Domestic Partnership Contracts between two consenting adults should be available from the state to any one or all domestic union contracts discontinued and alternative waivers and releases built to accomodate health decisions and inheritence.

We have what's needed already. Wills, power of attorney, power of appointment. Those cover what is needed. When it gets further pushed, then government starts sanctioning civil unions and partnerships, essentially endorsing gay marriage and that's where I start having a problem.

Government should get out of marriage. I agree. The rest should be private contracts between consenting adults without anything forced on others. No more. No less.

157 posted on 08/19/2010 9:50:33 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (I don't look for leaders. I follow my own path, my way.)
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To: johnnycap

The difference is that the examples of heterosexuals” abusing their daughters is infinitessimal and condemned by 99.9999% of other heterosexuals, whereas affairs like the Folsom Street Perversion festival are common occurances in many cities and applauded and taken part in by large numbers of homosexuals and never condemned by any.

Your arguments are pathetically weak, lame and meaningless.


158 posted on 08/19/2010 9:51:10 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: DeahLee
Separation of church and state! Remember that?

Noob, I'd tread carefully here. Show me that phrase in the Constitution.

Civil partnerships for anyone who has no religious connections.

No special rights based on deviant behavior.

159 posted on 08/19/2010 9:52:20 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: sickoflibs; NFHale; hiredhand; Liz; DoughtyOne; mkjessup

See post 124. I rest my case.


160 posted on 08/19/2010 9:53:17 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (.Go troops! " Vote out RINOS. They screw you EVERY time" Jim Robinson)
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To: johnnycap

I think that’s part of what this thread is about; society’s continuing downward movement. Are you suggesting that we throw in the towel?

There is no conservative case for homosexual marriage, nor can there ever be.


161 posted on 08/19/2010 9:53:27 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: throwback

I saw the words Newsweek and Ted Olson and didn’t read any further. However, I’m pretty sure Barbara Olson wouldn’t have condoned such usurping of the American voters by a judicial effort and an openly gay judge at that.

Maybe Ted has a new boyfriend...


162 posted on 08/19/2010 9:54:23 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (We don't have a leader in the Oval Office, we have a odreader in the Oval Office.)
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To: johnnycap

I equally and strongly believe that it is predetermined (as does Olson)


Your strongly held belief is based on belief only and has no evidence whatsoever to back it up. Homosexuals have been trying to find hard evidence but have failed to so do.

OTOH, there are countless numbers of former homosexuals. If they were born “gay”, they could not change. But many have.

Yet another weak, pathetic homosexual agenda talking point lie.


163 posted on 08/19/2010 9:54:36 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: johnnycap
You assume homosexuality is a choice. I equally and strongly believe that it is predetermined (as does Olson).

The difference is, your opinion is utterly and completely wrong. Here is the proof:

Pro-Homosexual Researchers Conceal Findings: Children Raised by Openly Homosexual Parents More Likely to Engage in Homosexuality

Homosexuals and their allies in the social sciences have tried hard to refute this data or spin it a different way. But it's just common sense. If you tell a kid that butt sex is normal and good, they're likely to believe you and want to be just like good ol' dad.

Sickening.
164 posted on 08/19/2010 9:54:56 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I would guess that quote is going to get a lot of use in the near future.


165 posted on 08/19/2010 9:55:02 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: johnnycap

-At this rate, Sparta which utilized homosexuality actively may well outlive the United States...sorry to say.


What??? The Spartan society which “utilizied homosexuality actively” is still functioning?

You are really out of your mind.


166 posted on 08/19/2010 9:55:53 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: An.American.Expatriate
What "rights" are you giving? IIRC the government has no power to do that under our system ..

Oh please. The courts just struck down Prop 8. And gays are winning with special hate crime laws that afford them special protection that lifts them above average citizens.

I notice he didn't specify which religion, I wonder why?

You gonna agree with Obama and tell us that muslims built America?

167 posted on 08/19/2010 9:56:09 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: little jeremiah

Everything that poster has said has been “victimish” and over the top.


168 posted on 08/19/2010 9:57:06 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: little jeremiah; johnnycap

Yep. There’s an agenda!


169 posted on 08/19/2010 9:58:01 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: sickoflibs

Barbara Olsen must be spinning...

Ted should know better than this.

Ann is exactly right.


170 posted on 08/19/2010 9:58:40 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (UniTea! It's not Rs vs Ds you dimwits. It's Cs vs Ls. Cut the crap & lets build for success.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Congratulations! Forty years! That’s wonderful. :)


171 posted on 08/19/2010 9:59:16 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: johnnycap

I advocate neither mosques or fairs. I advocate simply for the true rights of man.


Yeah, the rights of Muslims to celebrate their massacre of large numbers of infidels with a victory mosque on the place of massacre, and the rights of mentally ill sexual perverts to attempt to change Natural Law.

What a conservative you are! /puke


172 posted on 08/19/2010 9:59:31 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: trisham

I have posted it everyday.


173 posted on 08/19/2010 9:59:42 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: johnnycap

zot


174 posted on 08/19/2010 9:59:42 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

That’s a great quote. Do you have a source? I’m going to add it to my collection.


175 posted on 08/19/2010 10:01:24 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: darkangel82

Only six that I know of have been banned. More need to. When one gets banned, the others shut up for a while, at least on that specific thread.

This thread needs a big fat ZOT.


176 posted on 08/19/2010 10:03:03 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: trisham

Thank you.


177 posted on 08/19/2010 10:06:09 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

Marriage is based on the laws of nature which are immutable. Way before any church doctrines.

Man, woman, babies - natural law.

Two men, anuses, or two women, licking, implements - etc - unnatural!

Sheesh, use your brain!


178 posted on 08/19/2010 10:06:25 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: kevao

Ted Olson has actually come out for the Victory Mosque?
Yikes!
The same Ted Olson whose wife Barbara died aboard one of the hijacked planes on 9-11.
I just can’t believe it.


179 posted on 08/19/2010 10:06:39 AM PDT by supremedoctrine ("Every election is like an advance auction sale of stolen goods"--H.L.Mencken)
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To: DeahLee

Another homosexual agenda pushing troll.

See my comment right above.

It’s about natural law, think about it. Way above and beyond any religious doctrine.


180 posted on 08/19/2010 10:07:57 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks for this ping! Who would have ever thought the Country would have ever degenerated to this point.
“If we don’t fight for the truth, we lose. Sitting back insures defeat.”
Sad but true.


181 posted on 08/19/2010 10:08:05 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you, Jim.


182 posted on 08/19/2010 10:08:05 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: little jeremiah

http://lasalettejourney.blogspot.com/2009/07/founding-fathers-and-homosexuality.html

There are many more. Just type in Founding Fathers on Homosexuality

(I noticed the creep got the ZOT ;-)


183 posted on 08/19/2010 10:09:13 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (.Go troops! " Vote out RINOS. They screw you EVERY time" Jim Robinson)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks again!


185 posted on 08/19/2010 10:10:53 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

It seems to me that the ‘consenting adult’ defense, could not be limited to homosexuality once it was cast in granite.

Murder, robbery, theft...

Now I understand that it could be said that these would involve an innocent.

What is society if not an innocent in the face of sodomy, homosexuality?

I know, I know,... this will seem absurd to some. And then you see the impact on society as marriage is devalued to mean almost nothing.

We have to teach our children from kindergarten on, that homosexuality is as valid as heterosexuality. In effect, we have to assault the most vulnerable in our society, to codify the normalcy of consenting adults.

The innocent third party is therefore exposed, and indefensible...

This is a road marker. Societies that reach the stage where perversion is accepted with open arms, are already over the cliff, and simply awaiting the thud.


186 posted on 08/19/2010 10:13:54 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (UniTea! It's not Rs vs Ds you dimwits. It's Cs vs Ls. Cut the crap & lets build for success.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Exactly. Homosxual agenda pushers ignore all the many arguments that prove them utterly wrong and just carry on as though said arguments were never made.

They cannot debate rationally because they have no rational arguments on their side, and cannot defeat the rational arguments on our side.

They have nothing but twisted emotions and yelling and repetition. Just like all leftists.


187 posted on 08/19/2010 10:16:44 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Brytani

I guess it’s time for me to post again the reasons homosexual activists themselves give for wanting same sex marriage. Next post!

Very good points you make.


188 posted on 08/19/2010 10:19:38 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: stephenjohnbanker

The history channel implied that washington turned a blind eye to the european, whose name escapes me right now, to his homosexual proclivities with boys. It was in in that propagandumentary “the story of US”


189 posted on 08/19/2010 10:20:17 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

baron von Steuben.


190 posted on 08/19/2010 10:20:59 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Jim Robinson

YAYAY!

Thank you.

Whew!


191 posted on 08/19/2010 10:21:53 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
He is just another dupe who has sold his soul. He stands for nothing, so falls for anything no matter how insane or nonsensical. Either that, or he has nefarious motives. Those are the only two choices for an answer as to why he does this.
192 posted on 08/19/2010 10:22:43 AM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: DoughtyOne

One major problem with societal acceptance of homos is clear..

Homos only represent 1 or 2% of society, therefore, by definition, there is a scarcity of product. This causes homos to recruit children. NAMBLA is a good example. There is nothing more sick in this world than NAMBLA,and they would be empowered with societal acceptance of homosexual marriage. Sodom and Gomorrah redux.


193 posted on 08/19/2010 10:24:17 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (.Go troops! " Vote out RINOS. They screw you EVERY time" Jim Robinson)
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To: BnBlFlag

Not really, sad; but should be energizing! The founding fathers pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. Many lost their lives and their fortunes, but for fighting for good no one ever lost their honor.

We should be inspired to do no less!

It’s time to get seriously activated. Assaults are incoming on every front. Courage! I love this quote, inspires me every time I read it:

Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.
C. S. Lewis


194 posted on 08/19/2010 10:25:30 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Thank you.

I need to build up my file again.


195 posted on 08/19/2010 10:26:10 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: gidget7

I’ve seen him before. I think “gay” activist, myself.


196 posted on 08/19/2010 10:27:46 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: gidget7

But he’s zotted now. Need graphics!


197 posted on 08/19/2010 10:28:09 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

I meant to ping you to post 193.


198 posted on 08/19/2010 10:28:39 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (.Go troops! " Vote out RINOS. They screw you EVERY time" Jim Robinson)
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To: darkwing104; Old Sarge; 230FMJ; 50mm; paulycy

We need some zot graphics. This is a troll who’s been around for a while and been on my radar screen before. It was a good fight and could use some commemoration!

TIA!!!

If you have more names of people who post zot graphics let me know.


199 posted on 08/19/2010 10:30:29 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Read it - good point. And the homosexual agenda pushers do want lowering or elimination of the age of consent, they just don’t say too much publicly now. Kevin Jennings the “safe schools czar” has supported NAMBLA and Harry Hay, NAMBLA’s commie pervert founder.

SICK INSANITY!


200 posted on 08/19/2010 10:32:14 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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