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The Conservative Case for Gay Marriage
Newsweek ^ | January 09, 2010 | Ted Olsen

Posted on 08/19/2010 6:18:04 AM PDT by throwback

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To: An.American.Expatriate

I wasn’t on FR.

You did not reply to any of my factual posts, that’s what I was referring to, while you did reply to other people.

You do not make your position clear. If you do, then it’s possible to have a discussion. If you do not clearly state your own position, such discussion is meaningless, all about poersonalities/posting styles and other useless junk.

441 posted on 08/20/2010 12:32:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: vox_freedom; little jeremiah
My chairs are never a problem, honest!

I'm just passing through..

..uh.. on second thought, my furniture tends to be weird.

442 posted on 08/20/2010 5:09:51 PM PDT by Darksheare (I shook hands with Sheryl Crow and all I got was Typhus and a single sheet of toilet paper.)
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To: Darksheare

Now that’s a freaky chair. Not very comfortable, I’d say! lol

443 posted on 08/20/2010 6:16:07 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: vox_freedom

He claims to be just passing through.
I don’t believe him.
He’s in league with the cats.

444 posted on 08/20/2010 6:17:07 PM PDT by Darksheare (I shook hands with Sheryl Crow and all I got was Typhus and a single sheet of toilet paper.)
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To: little jeremiah

Thank you for the civil reply!

I think it is better we drop the line of discussion -
The discussion itself tends to be laden with emotion over reason and, I have seen a few areas where my line of reasoning leads to legal implications I find unacceptable and want to think about this a bit ... I would hope that others may do so as well (on both sides of the Government involvment in marriage argument, I could personally care less whether a gay living arrangement is called “marriage” as that, in the end, is just a word).

445 posted on 08/21/2010 3:07:57 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: throwback

Mr. Olsen says, “So there are now three classes of Californians: heterosexual couples who can get married, divorced, and remarried, if they wish; same-sex couples who cannot get married but can live together in domestic partnerships; and same-sex couples who are now married but who, if they divorce, cannot remarry. This is an irrational system, it is discriminatory, and it cannot stand”

There is a fourth class: single people. Equality for all. End discrimination by ending government marriage and civil unions.

What would happen if government withdrew from the marriage business and the civil union business?

Would people stop falling in love?

Would people stop having beautiful weddings?

Would churches stop marrying people?

Would people stop living together in caring committed relationships?

Would people stop forming families?

Would people stop making babies?

Would parents stop caring for their children?

Would people stop doing the things that we associate with fulfilling marriages?

Does the government policy of providing Social Security benefits to 65 year old spouses who would not otherwise qualify, weigh on the decision of a couple in their 20’s to marry?

Are the bundle of default marriage laws, such as spousal inheritance, superior to specific legal documents such as wills?

What percentage of married couples have a critical need for the government financial perks given to couples with government marriage licenses?

What is the government’s definition of marriage? Not who can get married , but what marriage itself is? How can the government accuse the marriage of a Russian woman to a US citizen for the purpose of coming to the United States as being a “sham”? What about the brief Las Vegas marriage of Britney Spears?
What vows of love do government marriage licenses require?

Do marriage laws prevent multiple sex partners, disease, incest, or statutory rape?

Should there be separation of church and state?

Should single people get equal government benefits?

How many times have you had to show your government marriage certificate?

446 posted on 08/21/2010 12:00:04 PM PDT by ChristianMiller
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To: wideawake
Excellent job, wideawake!

Shades of G.K. Chesterton in your satire.

Compare this quote from The Man Who Was Thursday:

"We say that the dangerous criminal is the educated criminal. We say that the most dangerous criminal now is the entirely lawless modern philosopher. Compared to him, burglars and bigamists are essentially moral men; my heart goes out to them. They accept the essential ideal of man; they merely seek it wrongly. Thieves respect property. They merely wish the property to become their property that they may more perfectly respect it. But philosophers dislike property as property; they wish to destroy the very idea of personal possession. Bigamists respect marriage, or they would not go through the highly ceremonial and even ritualistic formality of bigamy. But philosophers despise marriage as marriage. Murderers respect human life; they merely wish to attain a greater fulness of human life in themselves by the sacrifice of what seems to them to be lesser lives. But philosophers hate life itself, their own as much as other people's."


447 posted on 09/17/2010 3:46:21 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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