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President Apostate? (NYTimes, 2008, now on Drudge front page)
NYTime ^ | 5-12-08 | Edward N. Luttwak

Posted on 08/19/2010 1:50:56 PM PDT by STARWISE

*snip*

Senator Obama is half African by birth and Africans can understandably identify with him. In Islam, however, there is no such thing as a half-Muslim. Like all monotheistic religions, Islam is an exclusive faith.

As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: apostate; islam; kenya; muslim; nymosque; obama; palin; religion; waronterror
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Never saw this one or heard the lamestreams discussing it before the election.
1 posted on 08/19/2010 1:50:59 PM PDT by STARWISE
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To: onyx; penelopesire; maggief; hoosiermama; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; ...

** Ping!


2 posted on 08/19/2010 1:52:41 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE
As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

Well, lots of FReepers have been pointing this out since before the election! Seems no one would listen.

3 posted on 08/19/2010 1:55:10 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: STARWISE

4 posted on 08/19/2010 1:55:10 PM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: STARWISE

he’s only half president; a half-wit; and

the least intelligent president of my life time.


5 posted on 08/19/2010 1:55:20 PM PDT by ken21 (who runs the gop?)
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To: newfreep

I have so stolen that! Great work.


6 posted on 08/19/2010 1:55:53 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: STARWISE
Even IF 0bama's father had renounced his religion, making 0bama a religious "free agent" and not a muslim, he had to be a muslim to attend school in Indonesia, especially the "Q'ranic Studies" class 0bama claims to have gotten in trouble in for goofing off as described in his book.
He may not have been born a muslim, if ytou believe the 0bama spin, but he became one at one point or another.
7 posted on 08/19/2010 1:56:01 PM PDT by infidel29 (Since 0bama is NOT a uniter, can we change the acronym to just plain P.O.S.?)
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To: Islander7

I stole it from another freeper - it’s the way of life here at FR!


8 posted on 08/19/2010 1:57:00 PM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: STARWISE

They didn’t want to undo the ridiculous narrative that an Obama presidency would heal our relations with the Muslim world. The guy was right though..Obama hasn’t ‘healed’ squat and never will. He wants our country and the world in chaos.


9 posted on 08/19/2010 1:59:44 PM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: newfreep

NOBODY EXPECTS THE PELOSI INQUISITION!!!!


10 posted on 08/19/2010 2:00:06 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: STARWISE

LOL. Is this for real?


11 posted on 08/19/2010 2:03:00 PM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: newfreep

OMG! Priceless!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL.


12 posted on 08/19/2010 2:03:52 PM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: newfreep

You make me sick! /s


13 posted on 08/19/2010 2:04:57 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: butterdezillion
Our chief weapon is surprise.

Surprise and fear.

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14 posted on 08/19/2010 2:07:03 PM PDT by mellow velo
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To: STARWISE

The Caliph of Washington


15 posted on 08/19/2010 2:07:32 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: STARWISE
Oh dear! If 0bama was born a muslim and he claims to have converted to Christianity, then he's an apostate? Does that mean, um, for instance, if a big airplane flew straight into the White House, we should automatically assume it's muslims? /s
16 posted on 08/19/2010 2:08:01 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: STARWISE

Their more accurate motto: “All the truth that accidentally slips into our pages”


17 posted on 08/19/2010 2:08:14 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: butterdezillion

Need to make that remark go viral.


18 posted on 08/19/2010 2:09:35 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: STARWISE

Rush’s fault. < /White House >


19 posted on 08/19/2010 2:13:03 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Those who support the construction of the WTC mosque oppose Christian missionaries working abroad.)
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To: newfreep

“Are you serious? ; Are you serious?”


20 posted on 08/19/2010 2:13:19 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: STARWISE

NOW this is finally hitting people?

This has been a major issue with me, and many other freepers for years.


21 posted on 08/19/2010 2:13:19 PM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: ken21
he’s only half president; a half-wit; and

(drum-roll)...and our first Halfrican-American Prez!

22 posted on 08/19/2010 2:13:39 PM PDT by SloopJohnB (Western Civilization: Aborting, Buggering and Contracepting to extinction)
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To: onyx

Sure is ... curious that Drudge dug this
up and put it up now.

He also has this:

SHOCK POLL: 24% THINK OBAMA MUSLIM
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011799,00.html

“Nearly one-third of the country thinks adherents of Islam should be barred from running for President — a slightly higher percentage than the 24% who mistakenly believe the current occupant of the Oval Office is himself a Muslim. In all, just 47% of respondents believe Obama is a Christian; 24% declined to respond to the question or said they were unsure, and 5% believe he is neither Christian nor Muslim.”

and

White House: Obama is ‘obviously’ Christian, prays daily...

NYT FLASHBACK: ‘As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood’...

In Defining Obama, Misperceptions Stick...

http://drudgereport.com/


23 posted on 08/19/2010 2:19:07 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE
He's on vacation... A G A I N


24 posted on 08/19/2010 2:20:25 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Las Vegas Ron; little jeremiah

Ping


25 posted on 08/19/2010 2:22:52 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Paladin2

John McEnroe, is that you?


26 posted on 08/19/2010 2:26:10 PM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: I still care
"Democratic allies say, because Mr. Obama is doing a poor job of communicating who he is and what he believes. "

Zer0 HAS to do a poor job of this communication. If people knew the real Hussein, they'd be even more disappointed.

27 posted on 08/19/2010 2:26:56 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: onyx; maggief; hoosiermama; penelopesire; All

Understanding Taqiyya - Islamic Principle of Lying for the Sake of Allah
by Warner MacKenzie
30 April, 2007

###

Lying and cheating in the Arab world is not really a moral matter but a method of safeguarding honor and status, avoiding shame, and at all times exploiting possibilities, for those with the wits for it, deftly and expeditiously to convert shame into honor on their own account and vice versa for their opponents.

If honor so demands, lies and cheating may become absolute imperatives.” [David Pryce-Jones, “The Closed Circle” An interpretation of the Arabs, p4]

“No dishonor attaches to such primary transactions as selling short weight, deceiving anyone about quality, quantity or kind of goods, cheating at gambling, and bearing false witness.

The doer of these things is merely quicker off the mark than the next fellow; owing him nothing, he is not to be blamed for taking what he can.” [David Pryce-Jones, “The Closed Circle”, p38]

The word “Taqiyya” literally means: “Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one’s beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies.

In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.

http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm


28 posted on 08/19/2010 2:27:04 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: newfreep

I believe that’s a Nazi (No oil for YOU!) Pelosi quote when asked about the Constitutionality of her legislation.


29 posted on 08/19/2010 2:28:51 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: STARWISE
What? No fatwas? They swoon over him like a brother. He bows back.

The Islamists recognize his brotherhood. An apostate is to be eliminated from the ranks of the Ummah. Period. The fact that they have issued nothing to that effect should be enough evidence of where his true loyalties lie.

30 posted on 08/19/2010 2:29:11 PM PDT by BigFinn (STOP the 'Domination' mosque on Ground Zero.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

When has he not been on vacation?


31 posted on 08/19/2010 2:29:51 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
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To: BigFinn

But, don’t forget they lie and deceive.


32 posted on 08/19/2010 2:32:00 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: rdl6989

New tagline.


33 posted on 08/19/2010 2:33:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Obama's conscience went on vacation years ago...and never came back.)
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To: STARWISE

And we all know who the ‘Father of Lies’ is...


34 posted on 08/19/2010 2:35:33 PM PDT by BigFinn (Isa 32:8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.)
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To: STARWISE

They hate it when you lie to them. They hate it even more when they have been played. Doesn’t matter what party you are at that point. The LSM is finally realizing that they have been played like s Stradavarius.


35 posted on 08/19/2010 2:39:38 PM PDT by rickb308 (Muslims need to check with Native Americans & ask how that whole cowboys & indians thing worked out.)
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To: onyx; penelopesire; maggief; Liz; hoosiermama; nutmeg; Red Steel; Fred Nerks; BP2; Danae; ...
This is also weird ..

I'm searching under Yahoo news to see where THIS vacation is, and this comes up as the 2nd photo from AP on the news page, with obama as the search term. Now it's the 1st image .. weeeeird. You click on it and get the description of his '06 trip to Kenya.


36 posted on 08/19/2010 2:40:01 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: BigFinn
FATWA


37 posted on 08/19/2010 2:45:24 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: onyx; penelopesire; maggief; Liz; hoosiermama; nutmeg; Red Steel; Fred Nerks; BP2; Danae; ...

SOMETHING’S GOING ON !!!

Brett Baier just announced upcoming segment
of Special Report:

“The president and his religion are the subject
of recent polls ...”


38 posted on 08/19/2010 2:46:46 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: SloopJohnB

AKA Afro-cracker


39 posted on 08/19/2010 2:47:41 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Slyfox

Is that a big enough fatwa?


40 posted on 08/19/2010 2:48:27 PM PDT by rickb308 (Muslims need to check with Native Americans & ask how that whole cowboys & indians thing worked out.)
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To: hoosiermama

Ouch! That’s gonna leave a mark! LOL


41 posted on 08/19/2010 2:50:52 PM PDT by rickb308 (Muslims need to check with Native Americans & ask how that whole cowboys & indians thing worked out.)
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To: rickb308

AKA FATma


42 posted on 08/19/2010 2:53:14 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: STARWISE

Did you see the comment the other day that Berg made that BO would be gone by Christmas.....Hmmmmm......What’s UP?


43 posted on 08/19/2010 2:55:00 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: STARWISE

Thanks for the heads up!


44 posted on 08/19/2010 2:58:38 PM PDT by maggief
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To: STARWISE

Polls: More and more do not believe he’s a Christian.


45 posted on 08/19/2010 3:02:10 PM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: STARWISE

I don’t have TV. Will you update?


46 posted on 08/19/2010 3:04:28 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: STARWISE

The Left is seething over a new poll showing nearly one-in-four Americans believe Barack Obama is a Muslim. A Time magazine poll found 24 percent of all Americans believe Obama is a Muslim. Another poll conducted by the Pew Research Center set the number at 18 percent. That’s nearly double the number that said the same thing in March 2009 (10 percent). Both polls showed the same trend: more Americans believed Obama is a Muslim and fewer believed he is a Christian this year than last year. Why is this? Left-wing pundits blame it on “Republican smear tactics” and disinformation....


47 posted on 08/19/2010 3:04:28 PM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Brett Baier

2 new surveys share a perception
of his religious beliefs that he
has sought to dispell

Major G: indicates polls showing
many believe he’s a Muslim —
pollster saying he’s not seen it
so before where there’s more doubt
as time goes on.

Opponents are more likely to believe
he’s Muslim and

less than half of Dems say he’s a Christian

Time mag poll — 24% believe incorrectly
he’s muss

he’s attended church sparingly since severing
ties with Wright and

he plays a lot of golf on Sundays

still pollsters find this info puzzling

the WH says he receives a devotional
every day, and doesn’t wear his faith
on his sleeve .. want people to know
what a devout Christian he is


48 posted on 08/19/2010 3:10:54 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

The White House says he prays everyday, but don’t say who he prays to. So technically they aren’t lying again.


49 posted on 08/19/2010 3:12:48 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: STARWISE

I think what is infuriating people is that poll they just did saying, most people mistakenly do not realize O is a Christian. They opened up a can of worms with that one, because Christians watching O know he isn’t one.

Now Rush today did a lot on this. When Rush picks something up, it often reverberates.

So O is not a christian. Now some country head in the ME said that O told him he really was a muslim, which keeps him from being an apostate, punishable by death in the ME.


50 posted on 08/19/2010 3:16:17 PM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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