Free speech? Obama song gets coach fired

He can claim that he meant Bush 43.

Then it will be ok!
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Heh heh heh ... they will try the BDS in NOV ... heh heh heh ... let’s encourage them ... “Oh no, Br’er Bear don’t use W in your campaign!”

it was “some parents he knew from school”

it was from his home PC

and it was in summer when school was not in session

some freepers are just plain stupid aren’t they and all so ready to roll over

politics is war...high and mighty is for losers

reminds me what Mr B said on here the other day:

what do you call a guy who doesn’t know he’s in a fight?

the loser.

God bless and keep it up...this is a culture that as a parent to 5, I fight every damned day and it gets weary

“God bless and keep it up...this is a culture that as a parent to 5, I fight every damned day and it gets weary.”

Keep on ‘em Daddy ... you are the man.

“How many times does this have to be explained to you? THE MAN INCLUDED A LIST OF HIS EMPLOYER’S CLIENTS (THE PARENTS)IN HIS “ PERSONAL EMAIL LIST”.” ....Polybius

And you know this, how? I need no explanation from someone who doesn’t know the whole story ... which, clearly, you do not. But thanks for offering. ... jessduntno

I know this how?

Are you serious?

How about from the very article that YOU posted:

"According to the report, Glover sent the song to everyone in his personal e-mail list, 'which included parents from Grassland Middle School, where he coached football.; ..... That's when the trouble began. Within 90 minutes of sending out the song, Glover heard from his head coach that parents were asking that Glover be fired."

The students and parents are, in effect, the clients of that public school.

Just because you are stupid and/or careless enough to include your employer's clients in your "personal e-mail list" does not make those clients your "personal friends" and make that email a "personal matter".

WITHIN 90 MINUTES of sending out that e-mail, those pissed off clients were calling for his head.

"Personal friends" do not do that. Irate clients do.

That's not Rocket Science.

Are you claiming that the facts in the article that YOU posted are false?

If so, why don't you let us all in on the joke.

The articles all say “a handful” of players parents. As a coach for many years, I can tell you that many parents became friendly or contacted me off topic or off the field about any number of things.

Is that a fact? Only "a handful"?

You know what?

In the Real World, all it takes is one single legitimately pissed off client to get an employee fired.

"As a coach" have any of your real "friends" ever asked that you be fired over an -e-mail?

Has it ever occurred to you that just because a client is "friendly" to you does not make that client your "friend"?

Do you know the difference between a true "friend" and a "friendly acquaintance"?

The difference is that a true friend will forgive an e-mail that he or she finds offensive and he or she will discuss the matter with you in a private and friendly manner.

A "friendly acquaintance", on the other hand, can quickly turn from a "friendly acquaintance" to a "very hostile acquaintance" and demand that you be fired for an e-mail they find offensive.

They could easily end up in a personal computer at home...which he contends this is the case.

Yep. Sh#t happens.

Just as if your wife's Girl Scout mailing list gets mixed in with the mailing list of your raunchy college buddies and every member of your daughter's Girl Scout Troop ends up receiving some raunchy photo of you, buck nekkid, at a frat party back in your day.

"But... but... but... It was an accident! I swear, Your Honor! It wasn't my fault! I can't be blamed!"

You know what?

You still screwed up.

Accept accountability.

ADVICED FROM YOUR LAWYER PRIOR TO YOUR TRIAL AS A SEXUAL PREDATOR: "Fall on your sword. Apologize profusely. Tell the Judge it was a horrible, accidental, - - - stress accidental - - - , mistake. Accept accountability. REPEAT Accept accountability. Get down on your knees and beg the Judge for forgiveness ....... Or else, you are going to be sharing a jail cell with a new boyfriend named Horny."

That is why, in my Post 64, I wrote:

His defense should be as follows:

"I intended to send a partisan political joke to my personal friends and forgot that that I had copied and pasted a group of the parents of my students on a "personal list" that should have been strictly personal.

I am sorry and I apologize. Such a mishap will not happen again.

I will ensure that, in the future, "personal mail lists" and "working mailing lists" will remain separate on my computer."

You have a right to your own opinion, but not to make up “facts.”

The fact is that he screwed up. No matter how much lipstick you try to put on the pig, that is not going to change.

Are you the coach in question?

If so, admit that you screwed up. Apologize with the words I suggested,get your life back in order and be more careful with your "personal" mailing lists next time.

‘which included parents from Grassland Middle School, where he coached football.; ..... That’s when the trouble began. Within 90 minutes of sending out the song, Glover heard from his head coach that parents were asking that Glover be fired.””

Listen, DIMWIT, the fact that some of the parents were on the list might mean;

A. They were there because HE got something from THEM. A point I made already which you handily ignore.

B. They are on the list because of some other incidental contact from the town. Another point you ignore.

Since you can’t seem to grasp this simple statement, I’ll consider you a lost cause. Don’t know why you feel the need to crucify this guy, but knock yourself out.

Oh ... and your foaming at the mouth rant was pretty funny. Been working on that weak azz crap all day?

Listen, DIMWIT, the fact that some of the parents were on the list might mean; A. They were there because HE got something from THEM. A point I made already which you handily ignore. B. They are on the list because of some other incidental contact from the town. Another point you ignore. Since you can’t seem to grasp this simple statement, I’ll consider you a lost cause. Don’t know why you feel the need to crucify this guy, but knock yourself out.

Hey, Albert Einstein, what part of "Casual acquaintances are not your intimate friends" are you too stupid to understand?

What part of "Incidental contact does not make somebdody your intimante friend" are you too stupid to understand?

What part of "You do not send your employer's clients e-mail they might find offensive" are you too stupid to understand?

What part of "You only send potentially controversial e-mail ONLY TO YOUR TRUE FRIENDS" are you too stupid to understand?

What part of "You need to be careful not to mix up your 'actual personal friends e-mail lists' with your 'merely acquaintance that I had incidental contact with e-mail lists; so that you don't have sombody demanding your firing" are you too stupid to understand?

What part of the English language of what I posted that this guy should say to save his job are you too stupid to understand?

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His defense should be as follows:

"I intended to send a partisan political joke to my personal friends and forgot that that I had copied and pasted a group of the parents of my students on a "personal list" that should have been strictly personal.

I am sorry and I apologize. Such a mishap will not happen again.

I will ensure that, in the future, "personal mail lists" and "working mailing lists" will remain separate on my computer."

This is true about email lists. You've got to be really, really careful about them. Two examples: 1. My mother's family has a server that everyone uses to communicate but I don't even bother to reply to others who mention anything political because there are a few who are extremely liberal environmentalists who couldn't argue their way out of a paper or plastic bag. It was the hypersensitivity of these few people that has made all the rest reluctant to say anything about anything except, "Pray for Aunt Gertie who is going through the menopause." 2. There was an email server called, ha ha, Happy Students, at my grad school that was basically for, "Hey, I'm out of LB medium. Could anyone spare some until we get our new order" or "Our plate reader is down, does anyone know some other place on campus?" or "We ordered too many latex gloves. Anyone want to trade anything for a few boxes?"

So after the election in 1994, one of the people posted "How the Gingrinch Stole Congress," a long, whiny, bitchy, liberal screed. I replied*, basically telling the individual to suck it up and then I got a lot of emails slamming me for being political on Happy Students and that the other guy (who was vitriolic in his hatred of Republicans) was "only joking around." The majority of responses were of the "hey, it was for a chuckle," "it was just satire," etc., that indicated to me that they were so deep-seated and unreflective in their prejudices that they couldn't imagine anyone not agreeing with them and, so, concluding that anyone who did either didn't get the joke or was filled with ill-will. It was the same sort of thing I saw in a post-doc who, after bitching about the NRA, looked on me in horror when I asked her if she wanted to see my NRA membership card and started to take it out of my pocket. I told her we didn't eat babies or anything like that. I think basically they were shocked, shocked that anyone would question them and their motives. *Okay, I guess I sort of bitch-slapped him, but if you knew him, you'd know that he really, really needed it:

So, let me see if I've got this straight. If the Whoville population votes for liberal, Democrat, programs and politics (though, remember who said, back in the awful '80's, that the key to the Democrat election strategy then was to "find the fear button and lean on it as hard as [they]" could--Tony Coelho, gee, a Democrat), they are enlightened and rational, but if they vote for non-liberal (i.e., non-socialist) Republicans they are being misled and ripped off? Such a society-wide characterization in terms that are so easily refuted by facts says far more about the individual psychology and ideology of its "creators" than it does about the Whoville population.

It's so much easier to mourn their gullibility, their stupidity, their guileless noble victimhood than it is to entertain the possibility that their decision was informed and rational. It's so much easier to deny the pain of being rejected if you believe the one rejecting you didn't know the real you, didn't appreciate the sacrifice of time, intellect, and resources (in the form of Whoville lifeblood sucked out of him as taxes) you've been spending on his behalf--if he doesn't realize this, he's misled (not able to acknowledge what you know to be in his best interest) or incompetent, and so to be pitied and cared for; if he does realize this, then he must be evil (actively opposing the good you so ardently desire to do for him), and so must be characterized as the ravening wolf who lusts to devour your flock of lambs.

To believe that someone who thinks differently than you is, by doing so, opposing you or the good you hope to do is to be delusional, or at best childish (Mommy, the moon's following me!). It may be simply that he has his own ideas, beliefs, and understandings of life to which he is just as entitled as you. He may be more successful at promoting his ideas than you are. Of course, that doesn't mean they are necessarily correct; but to characterize, then, those who believe him rather than you as gullible, or stupid, or weak is to climb up on a pedestal from which you may all too easily fall. On November 8 we heard the crash.

Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, engage in some self-examination, stop sentimentalizing life, and get real. Remember, those little lambs can grow up to be big rams that won't be so easily led.

The funny thing is that the guy who had started the server was graduating from med school and wanted to know if anyone would take it over, so I got put on as the owner of the thing and just watched it peter out and die.