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The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim' (And Is Still One)
abc ^ | 8/20/2010 | BRADLEY BLACKBURN

Posted on 08/20/2010 5:17:16 PM PDT by tobyhill

On the heels of a new poll suggesting that nearly one in five Americans incorrectly believes that President Obama is a Muslim, one of the nation's most prominent evangelical leaders has weighed in with a seemingly lukewarm endorsement of the president's Christian faith.

The Rev. Franklin Graham waded into the discussion with his own controversial explanation of why people wrongly believe the president is a Muslim. Graham, who prayed with Obama in a session with his father, Billy Graham, earlier this year, was asked whether he has any doubts about Obama's self-avowed Christian faith.

"I think the president's problem is that he was born a Muslim, his father was a Muslim. The seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother. He was born a Muslim, his father gave him an Islamic name," Graham told CNN's John King in a televised interview that aired Thursday night.

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KEYWORDS: franklingraham; imamobama; lies; taqiya; taqiyah; taqiyya

1 posted on 08/20/2010 5:17:17 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

” “Now it’s obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed, and he has renounced Islam,
and he has accepted Jesus Christ. That’s what he says he has done. I cannot say that he hasn’t. “

When did this happen ?


2 posted on 08/20/2010 5:20:06 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: tobyhill

You da man Franklin...my favorite Christian.


3 posted on 08/20/2010 5:21:39 PM PDT by wardaddy (effed up times..)
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To: tobyhill

There is nothing Christian about Obama. You cannot have the belief system he has, and support the things he supports and wants and be a Christian.

I am getting really tired of how loosely the term “Christian” is used these days. Simply believing in God does not make one a Christian nor does believing Jesus existed.

Even IF Obama believes both of those things I can almost guarantee he has never accepted Christ as his Lord and Savior and therefor, he is not a Christian.


4 posted on 08/20/2010 5:25:08 PM PDT by conservativebabe (awaiting inspiration for a new tagline)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

It doesn’t matter what ‘O’ says, he’s given permission in the Koran to lie to the infidels.

Scum.


5 posted on 08/20/2010 5:25:35 PM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
” “Now it’s obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed, and he has renounced Islam, and he has accepted Jesus Christ. That’s what he says he has done. I cannot say that he hasn’t. “

I think Islam frowns upon folks converting to another religion.

No way Obama would renouced his father's faith.

6 posted on 08/20/2010 5:25:35 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
” “Now it’s obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed, and he has renounced Islam, and he has accepted Jesus Christ. That’s what he says he has done. I cannot say that he hasn’t. “

I think Islam frowns upon folks converting to another religion.

No way Obama would renouced his father's faith.

7 posted on 08/20/2010 5:25:39 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
The symbolic event to show a Christian Faith is through Baptism so I would love to know when, if and by whom he was Baptized?
8 posted on 08/20/2010 5:27:24 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Excellent point


9 posted on 08/20/2010 5:28:56 PM PDT by conservativebabe (awaiting inspiration for a new tagline)
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To: tobyhill
Regarding Imam Obamah's own words: "...my muslim faith".

Have you every misstated your own religion? ...ever?

10 posted on 08/20/2010 5:31:15 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: tobyhill
Regarding Imam Obamah's own words: "...my muslim faith".

Have you every misstated your own religion? ...ever?

11 posted on 08/20/2010 5:31:28 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: tobyhill

“Now it’s obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed, and he has renounced Islam,
and he has accepted Jesus Christ. That’s what he says he has done. I cannot say that he hasn’t. “

Franklin Graham puts Obama on the hot seat.
Is the Muslim world listening?


12 posted on 08/20/2010 5:31:43 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: conservativebabe

This morning on Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough said that muslims and Christians pray to the same God. No one was there to tell him he was wrong.


13 posted on 08/20/2010 5:34:31 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: mware
I'd like to see someone at a press conference ask him:”exactly when did you renounce the phrophet mohammed?”
14 posted on 08/20/2010 5:39:39 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: TexasCajun

Very telling. That was not a slip. If he wasn’t thinking about it, why did he say it?


15 posted on 08/20/2010 5:40:43 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: tobyhill
0bama referred to his faith as "my Muslim faith" in an interview with George Stephanopolous. (video 0:12)

Listen to this interview and imagine that 0bama had said "my Christian faith" to begin with. Does it make any sense?

16 posted on 08/20/2010 5:43:11 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: tobyhill
“Now it’s obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed, and he has renounced Islam, and he has accepted Jesus Christ. That’s what he says he has done. I cannot say that he hasn’t."

Well Franklin, if that were true, his head and neck would no longer be attached to his shoulders.

The Bible tells us we can know their true beliefs by their fruits. Show me one good fruit Zero has produced as a Christian.

Matt. 7:15-20
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

17 posted on 08/20/2010 5:45:02 PM PDT by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: mrs tiggywinkle

I believe you are right and he is a Muslim.


18 posted on 08/20/2010 5:47:38 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: tobyhill

“On the heels of a new poll suggesting that nearly one in five Americans incorrectly believes that President Obama is a Muslim,. . . .”

Just how do they KNOW it’s incorrect? According to islam once born a muzzie you die a muzzie.


19 posted on 08/20/2010 5:47:44 PM PDT by Bluebeard16
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To: TexasCajun

Exactly, bambi came out of the closet during the staphylococcous interview, nothing he says after that matters.


20 posted on 08/20/2010 5:54:25 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (In the White House the mighty White House the Liar sleeps tonight.............)
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To: conservativebabe

And “My Muslom faith” would never flow out a Christians mouth like it did Obama’s.


21 posted on 08/20/2010 6:14:55 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: conservativebabe

And “My Muslom faith” would never flow out a Christians mouth like it did Obama’s.


22 posted on 08/20/2010 6:15:04 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: TexasCajun

Funny, I think you make a great point. I got into a huge p-contest on that interview faux pas back then. I argued the other way.

I think I was wrong.

Good way to put it. No, I have never misstated my religion. Ever. And I don’t know anybody who has. Including obama.


23 posted on 08/20/2010 6:20:55 PM PDT by StAntKnee (I keep thinking I'm gonna wake up from this dream theatre of the absurd.)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

he said it? where?..He didn’t say any of them did he?


24 posted on 08/20/2010 6:25:48 PM PDT by FreeperDoll
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To: ilovesarah2012

Muslims pray to ALLAH.....we Christians pray to God...not the samething... ever....


25 posted on 08/20/2010 6:27:51 PM PDT by FreeperDoll
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To: tobyhill

The Graham clan is irrelevant.

Billy, despite mythic status among evangelicals, wrongly and oddly aided X42 in his quest for religious cover during the Lewinski stain. Billy called krinton a “brother” and suggested he become a pastor. IMO, a believer with that sort of profile should have brought home the true facts of God and krinton’s deficiencies. Billy ain’t what folks think and Franklin has more than a few kinks of his own.


26 posted on 08/20/2010 6:29:26 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: All

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Go to: http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html
and read the article, “Obama, the making of the Fuehrer”, by Ali Sini, an ex-Muslim.

This article explains Obama and his insane cult following.
The best I’ve seen.

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EXERPTS:

“..when the narcissist is criticized, his followers become offended. They take those criticisms personally and their instinct of self defense is triggered. They will become vigilantes and will silence their critics through intimidation, bullying, mocking, threats and violence (like calling those who disagree with Obama, racists). “ (Haven’t we all been subjected to this when we have dared to speak up against Omama?)

“When you fall for someone to the extent that Obama’s followers have fallen for him, you surrender your reason and individuality to him willingly. When millions of people surrender their hearts and their minds to one person the result can be catastrophic. This is what happened in Germany with Hitler, in China with Mao, in the Soviet Union with Stalin, in Cuba with Castro, in Iran ..”

An unequivocal expression of delusional gradiosity
(Narcissistic pathological disease) “..it shows in the posture and the way the narcissist walks and talks. Obama’s posture, exudes haughtiness. .Compare his posture to those of Hitler, Stalin and Saddam.”

One determining factor in the development narcissistic pathological disease is childhood abuse. “Obama’s early life was decidedly chaotic and replete with traumatic and mentally bruising dislocations..”
“.. his support of legislation to let babies die if they survive abortion, gives a glimps into his soul, that he may lacks empathy”

“..Is arrogant, has haughty behaviors or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted ..” (witness his behavior during last debate. You could see rage in his eyes. Constantly interruping McCain, smirking, disrespecting the senior senator by calling him ‘John’)
“Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) “ (witness his numerous lies
http://tedmathis.blogspot.com/2008/0...t-of-lies.html)

“- Displays false modesty and unctuous “folksiness” but is unable to sustain these behaviors (the persona, or mask) for long. It slips and the true Obama is revealed: haughty, aloof, distant, and disdainful of simple folk and their lives.” (witness his bitter small town folks clinging to guns and religion.etc..)
The mask slips and the true Obama is revealed...

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Obama, too, sublimates aggression. .
They create a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers’ souls, fill their hearts with enthusiasm and instill in their minds a new zest for life. They give them hope! They promise them the moon, but alas, invariably they bring them to their doom. When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don’t know it until it it too late.
Narcissists have only one issue. They want power and will do and say anything to get it. Their words mean nothing to them. They do not intend to keep them. They look into your eyes and swear on a stack of Bibles that they are not going to do something when that is exactly what they intend to do. They break their promises when it suits them and annul their treaties when they can get away with it. They lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie. (witness his unbelievable flip flops on the Iraq war, his numerous lies..).

Radical left winger, Obama, is the least experienced of all the Democrats. His political views are the most foolish of them all. He opposed the surge in Iraq saying it will make the situation worse and he was wrong. He thinks the solution to terrorism is to sit with terrorist states without precondition and negotiate with them. When Russia invaded Georgia, all this genius did was to urge both sides to “exert restraint”. Everything this man has said so far reveals his ignorance in economical, political and military matters. [/b]
Despite that, this junior senator has managed to rally the seasoned senators of the Democratic Party around himself and, not withstanding his ineptitude, he has emerged as the leader de facto of his party and their presidential candidate. The emergence of so many cults in America is proof that America is not an exception to the norm. If demagogue narcissists, like Jim Jones, David Koresh or Jimmy Swaggart can find a fertile ground in America, why not one with a political message?

He creates a cult of personality. His admirers become his co-dependents. Anyone can be fooled by narcissists. Just as experienced and smart senators of the Democratic Party have surrendered to the charisma of Obama, a man who is inferior to them all in every sense; many members of the media also have fallen for his charm hook, line and sinker. The American media is soft on Obama, but extremely harsh and deceitfully unfair on Governor Palin. In reality, he is nobody. And yet, thanks to his overbearing display of authority, the very mask that he is wearing to hide his devalued and injured self, he has overwhelmed all the giants of the Democratic party. Cults are full of smart people who have been hoodwinked by sick needy people.

“With some people I cannot even talk about Obama. They cannot tolerate any criticism of him. They (Obama fans) get angry and, not only they want to end the conversation but threaten to end the friendship. I am familiar with this kind of religious devotion to a person. The reaction that I get from Obama worshippers is similar to that of Muslims when their prophet is criticized. They are even prone to insult you.

See how they overlook Obama’s blatant lies and are willing to forgive his major sins such as racism. Note how the mainstream media bends the rules, twists the facts, exaggerates Obama’s little virtues, absolves his sins, and even lies to sell him to the public. Compare the royal treatment that the liberal press has given to Obama to how unfairly they treat Governor Palin; how they smear her character and belittle her experience and achievement. ABC’s Charlie Gibson’s interview with Governor Palin was a stain on journalistic integrity. Is it more important that Palin has not traveled the world and has not shaken hands with heads of states, or the fact that Obama has lied so many times? Under what pretext should an ordinary citizen visit heads of foreign states? The question itself is preposterous!”

How can smart people let themselves be manipulated by a psychopath to such an extent that they become quasi zombies? Recall what the smart Germans did under the spell of Hitler. Bear in mind what the Soviets did under the influence of Stalin. Consider what the Japanese did during WWII when they believed in the divinity of their emperor. Evoke how the Chinese Red Guard massacred millions of their own countrymen when they were blinded by their love for Mao and his faux notion of equality. Look at the Islamic terrorists. Can’t we say the same about them? Isn’t Islamic savagery the result of Muslims’ uncritical devotion to a long deceased narcissist? If you don’t know what I am talking about, I invite you to read my book, Understanding Muhammad. When sane people fall for the lies of an insane man, they act insanely. (this explains a lot-how Obama fans can ignore his lies, his flip flops his terrorist associations and insult and attack anyone who would speak up against him)

The Sick Symbiosis
Narcissists need their narcissistic supply to fuel their narcissism. They get it through adulation from people around them. These people are often also needy people. They are known as co-dependants. The narcissist and his co-dependent therefore, form a sick symbiosis in which both benefit. The masses of people have no first hand knowledge of the narcissist, but they jump on the bandwagon thanks to a very human trait, misnomered as “herd mentality.” They reason, how can so many people can be wro,ng and satisfied by this fallacy blindly join the cult of personality worship.

“They (Obama worshippers) take those criticisms personally and their instinct of self defense is triggered. They will become vigilantes and will silence their critics through intimidation, bullying, mocking, threats and violence (like calling those who disagree with Obama, racists). “ (witness how those daring to speak up against Obama are abused. Witness Obama’s goon squads threatening Rebuplican TV ads in Missouri, witness goon squad attacks on the NRA, witness hacking of Republican websites, witness physical attacks on people with anti-Obama signs and tee shirts)

Narcissists are amoral. They consider themselves to be above the law. Once in power, they will try to strengthen their hold by surrounding themselves with equally amoral people. (Witness Obama’s stable of terrorists such as Bill Ayers, Muslim activists/America haters/racists such as Wright, and Farrakhan. He will surround himself with this sort if elected!

America is at a crucial moment in its history. I cannot think of any disaster greater than putting a pathological narcissist in control of the world’s most powerful military machine.
This election is like no other in the history of America. The issues are insignificant compared to what is at stake. What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world?
There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president.

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27 posted on 08/20/2010 6:31:24 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Bluebeard16

It’s the first poll where there were “right” and “wrong” responses. Even Fox reported it this way.


28 posted on 08/20/2010 6:34:59 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I)
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To: tobyhill

Is Jeremiah Wright a Christian. Liberation Theology seems to more Marxist than Christian. Wright left Christianity after he got his fish and loaf of bread out of the basket. Is Father Fieiger a Catholic? He left right after Jeremiah with his share of the basket. Is Minister Farakahn a Muslim? DumBO is a Marxist, all take, no give.


29 posted on 08/20/2010 6:35:19 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (2010, the beginning of the end of our long national nightmare.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Joe is one lost goose. He’s not a Christian therefore he wouldn’t have any idea who Christians pray to.


30 posted on 08/20/2010 6:35:41 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I)
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To: mrs tiggywinkle

You are correct. It is the principle of Al-Takeyya based on Surah 3.28 in the Koran. “Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.”
This gives Muslims the understanding that they can act contrary to their faith and renounce their faith if it furthers the faith in the long run and protects themselves from harm.


31 posted on 08/20/2010 7:02:12 PM PDT by MessyKate (Obama, Muslim, Al-Takeyya)
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To: conservativebabe

Very well spoken. Thank you.

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


32 posted on 08/20/2010 7:07:14 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: mylife

First of all, I think the media were only asking Brother Graham for a comment, hoping they’d get something with which they could hang HIM.

But that was a VERY shrewd reply by Franklin Graham now that I think about it. It takes Zero at his (insincere and mendacious) word regarding his faith. And like was already said by someone else, it puts him out before the muslim world as a Muhammed denier and renouncer! That’s heavy duty stuff, guys! Now all we have to do is hide and watch as Zero tries to wriggle his way out of THAT with all his muslim buds around the world. And BTW, I wish I were one-fourth the witness for Christ that Franklin Graham is. God bless and protect him. Amen.


33 posted on 08/20/2010 7:16:09 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: Tucker39

Amen.


34 posted on 08/20/2010 7:18:36 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: conservativebabe

“I am getting really tired of how loosely the term “Christian” is used these days. Simply believing in God does not make one a Christian nor does believing Jesus existed.

Even IF Obama believes both of those things I can almost guarantee he has never accepted Christ as his Lord and Savior and therefore, he is not a Christian........”

I have said before that Obama cannot be a Christian, because a true believer would never allow his followers or the news media to blaspheme regarding his supposed equality with Jesus. Obama should have forbidden references to himself as “the Messiah”, the “Annointed one”, etc., but instead he embraced and encouraged such talk. So, he cannot be a real Christian.


35 posted on 08/20/2010 8:39:11 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: ilovesarah2012

That’s yet another example of someone not understanding what a Christian really is.

Jesus is one with God. I’m pretty sure Mohamed was not with Allah.

My Savior and Mohamed are as different as light and darkness.


36 posted on 08/21/2010 7:32:59 PM PDT by conservativebabe (awaiting inspiration for a new tagline)
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To: CynicalBear

Exactly


37 posted on 08/21/2010 7:34:51 PM PDT by conservativebabe (awaiting inspiration for a new tagline)
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To: Tucker39

Thanks :)


38 posted on 08/21/2010 7:36:09 PM PDT by conservativebabe (awaiting inspiration for a new tagline)
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To: Gumdrop

That’s another angle I hadn’t thought of. Great observation.

Any Christian knows that to compare oneself with the Lord would be a sin in and of itself. A Christian would never allow themselves to be equated in any way whatsoever with the Savior of mankind.

To allow these comparisons to me proves not only that he is no Christian but further, that he has a dark soul.


39 posted on 08/21/2010 7:40:54 PM PDT by conservativebabe (awaiting inspiration for a new tagline)
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To: tobyhill

I don’t read Arabic. So I must read a translation of the Koran. I see no mention of the son of a murtad fitri not being Muslim, sorry.

The assertion that Obama did not become a Muslim at birth because his father was an apostate does not hold water.


40 posted on 08/22/2010 9:17:15 AM PDT by DBrow
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