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Hard Hats: No Mosque! No Mosque!
IBD Editorials ^ | August 20, 2010 | Investors Business Daily staff

Posted on 08/20/2010 5:21:02 PM PDT by Kaslin

Ground Zero Mosque: A grass-roots movement among construction workers and unions asks Cordoba mosque supporters: Who do you expect to build it? The same people who built the World Trade Center perhaps?

In real estate, it's said the price of a property is based on three things — location, location, location. The price in blood and treasure America has paid for the gaping hole where the Twin Towers once stood is incalculable.

The wounds are still fresh and the anger is still real, and it's something that supporters of the Cordoba mosque, named after a great Islamic victory over the West, simply don't get.

Two blocks from the proposed mosque, construction workers at the WTC site are trying get across their point, and ours.

The towers of the World Trade Center instantly became symbols of America, its strength, its embrace of freedom and free markets. It was the pride of the workers who built it, destroyed in just hours by madmen who turned passenger jets into flaming cruise missiles.

William McCabe, 31, who lost an uncle on 9/11, used black marker to scrawl "WTC No Mosque" on the back of his neon construction vest in protest. "It's like spitting in the face of all the people that died," he told DNAinfo.com.

McCabe, who lives in Queens and has been working on Tower One for five months, said: "What they're going to be doing is praying and laughing because they got the mosque. My uncle's turning in his grave. It's a disgrace."

Mark Sabay, 48, of Brooklyn, who's been working on the site for two years, said a co-worker handed him a "No Mosque" sticker three days ago. He immediately affixed it to his hard hat.

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1 posted on 08/20/2010 5:21:03 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Thatis OK. The illegals will be lining the streets for work.


2 posted on 08/20/2010 5:22:25 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: Kaslin

That’s OK. The illegals will be lining the streets for work.


3 posted on 08/20/2010 5:22:38 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: Kaslin

Don’t be so stupid!

Obama has put the word out to counter his own words a couple of days ago.

Yeah, they won’t work, but you and I will pay the bill for their ‘support’.


4 posted on 08/20/2010 5:25:04 PM PDT by Dacula (So long and thanks for all fish.)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

But they won’t be illegals. They will be legal and they will be specially imported Muslim workers.

You may be worried about Mexican busboys, but I’m far more worried about the millions of people from Muslim countries that Obama has made LEGAL immigrants. He upped the number of LEGAL Muslims the month after he was inaugurated. He also wants to forgive visa overstayers (like his auntie) and I would bet you that this includes many Muslims - in fact, IIRC, there was a Bosnian visa-overstayer arrested about 2 years ago in the process of planning a little jihad moment in New Jersey.

So they will probably actually be legal, but they’re no friends of ours. Watch for him to get special visas to let them in.


5 posted on 08/20/2010 5:29:21 PM PDT by livius
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To: Kaslin

Build the Mosque today, but later
Contemplate a smoking crater?


6 posted on 08/20/2010 5:32:33 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Decriminalize crime! Empty the prisons! Anything less is racist genocide!)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Let the illegals just try to cross a line of American tradesmen.

They’ll self-deport before the first morning break.


7 posted on 08/20/2010 5:44:02 PM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November from my house.)
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To: Kaslin

My husband, who is Union (our biggest disagreement) has been saying this since the issue came up. Get to the rank and file Union members and get them to say they will not work on the site.

Especially the Unions who built the WTC.

NY is a closed shop State, which means you can not perform work without being a member of the Union. If the rank and file goes against the Union heads on this, they aren’t going to be able to go out and grab illegals, bring into the Union to work the job. They’d have to go through the apprentice programs at a minimum and they’d lose their “real” members if they were to do that. Plus, you can’t work without supervisors. There would be hell to pay if the leadership even suggested something like that.

For once, it’s in our interest to work with the Union rank and file members to support them and to put pressure on the Union leadership not to work on this project.


8 posted on 08/20/2010 5:45:08 PM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: livius

“So they will probably actually be legal, but they’re no friends of ours. Watch for him to get special visas to let them in.”

Watch for them to be floating in the East River.
You are talking about NYC Union Workers.


9 posted on 08/20/2010 5:45:39 PM PDT by rickb308 (Muslims need to check with Native Americans & ask how that whole cowboys & indians thing worked out.)
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To: Brytani

Excellent point


10 posted on 08/20/2010 5:49:07 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

You have got to be kidding. You go and bring workers from somewhere else into NYC and and it will be a bloodbath. It will not happen if the unions say so.


11 posted on 08/20/2010 5:50:18 PM PDT by Recon Dad ( I never speak ill of dead people or live judges.)
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To: Kaslin

It would be a grave mistake to assign the construction workers with this responsibility.


13 posted on 08/20/2010 6:07:28 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Recon Dad

It only takes one Union to refuse to work and they’re done.

IBEW controls all electrical, plus nuclear workers - that’s tons of retired/ex-military people. We get IBEW members to refuse and if Bloomberg was to try and pull anytime of ridiculous crap you’ve got 3/4 of the nations nuclear workers (except for reactor operators, who by federal law can not strike) on strike plus electrical workers across the entire country.

On top of that, there would be blood.

This can be done.


14 posted on 08/20/2010 6:08:06 PM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: ErnBatavia

Don’t count on it - there’s stirrings already across some of these Unions from the members - there are many who say they WILL go against the leadership on this, period. I’m talking locals 1,200 miles away from NYC.

This is where the members do have an advantage.

Not naivety at all, my husband has been IBEW for 15 years.


15 posted on 08/20/2010 6:12:30 PM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: Brytani

I know what you’re saying, but I also know how union ‘bosses’ work. I’ll be interested to see how this all plays out -— and I’m still banking on full 100% union participation in the end, for “whatever reason”.


16 posted on 08/20/2010 6:26:38 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: Brytani

Many of those ironworkers worked for months rescuing the dead bodies from the debris,searching for survivors. It was a gruesom task someone had to do it and it required ironworkers becauseof the pile of structural steel that had to be removed piece by piece to find the bodies. Those ironworkers and others will never forget. They will not allow this nasty gesture by the muslims who did this dastardly deed to be built.


17 posted on 08/20/2010 6:50:18 PM PDT by tommix2
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To: Kaslin

thank you!


18 posted on 08/20/2010 6:52:47 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. (PursuingLiberty.com))
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To: tommix2

One of the job stewards down here (not my husband’s local, but knows him) his son was killed on 9/11. People can scream this is a local issue, it’s not.

This is a situation like nothing else we’ve seen. All it takes is for one local up there to refuse to work and the job is shut down. It’s highly unusual for Conservatives to support anything Union - in this case we’ve got to support the members who will not work this job and help them put pressure on the leadership.


19 posted on 08/20/2010 6:59:44 PM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: Brytani

I’ve known contractors who have been held up for months by building inspectors in NYC. When they dig in their heels all work on a building stops.


20 posted on 08/20/2010 7:04:00 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Brytani
I was a member of ironworkers union in Chicago Local 1 years ago. Local 40 New York is just as strong. They won't and should not work on it.

People can scream this is a local issue, it’s not.Of course it's not, it's a deliberate insult to our whole nation.

21 posted on 08/20/2010 7:26:05 PM PDT by tommix2
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To: Brytani
I'm not a big Bill O’Rielly fan but, he said this place would never get built. I'd like to know the number of unions it takes to build the place, getting them all on board will be next to impossible.
22 posted on 08/21/2010 3:53:55 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( "Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way")
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To: Nachum; markomalley; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; 70th Division; ...

Ping


23 posted on 08/21/2010 9:35:26 AM PDT by raptor22 (The truth will set us free)
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To: Kaslin

bump for later


24 posted on 08/21/2010 11:34:55 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Rest in peace, Congressman BillyBob.)
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To: raptor22

Thanks for the ping.


25 posted on 08/21/2010 8:50:08 PM PDT by GOPJ ("Obama" in Farsi means "He is with us" www.answerbag.com/q_view/1074020#ixzz0x0JiHNFD :combat_boots)
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To: Kaslin
The wounds are still fresh and the anger is still real, and it's something that supporters of the Cordoba mosque, named after a great Islamic victory over the West, simply don't get.

Liberals don't 'get this' because they're soooooo open minded their brains have fallen out...

26 posted on 08/21/2010 8:52:17 PM PDT by GOPJ ("Obama" in Farsi means "He is with us" www.answerbag.com/q_view/1074020#ixzz0x0JiHNFD :combat_boots)
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To: Kaslin

Every Black Muslim in the country will come to build this mudhut. Labor Unions will be ignored.


27 posted on 08/21/2010 8:56:35 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Kaslin
I really have my doubts weather they will do anything,,,

Once the money is waved under unions nose it's a done deal.

28 posted on 08/21/2010 9:27:27 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Brytani

I may be mistaken but I think that by NYC law all construction must be done by union workers.


29 posted on 08/21/2010 9:35:10 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Kaslin

There is a long list of horrific and devastating things that Obama and his ilk have brought to fruition that ppl *swore* would never happen. And now ppl keep saying that this won’t get built for whatever reason... first it would never get zoning, now the unions.

I think that Obama and the unions bosses have different ideas for the unions workers.

In any case, whether this ‘cultural center’ gets built or not, the radical imam and his pals are winners. If it is built, they get to mock, for all time, the mass murder of our bretheren and their triumph. If it is not built, they get to play the victim and cry about how the intolerant Americans deserved 9/11. It will also serve as the fuel needed to plan the next attack, not that any will be needed, it just looks nice for them this way.


30 posted on 08/21/2010 9:55:27 PM PDT by KarenMarie (NEVER believe anything coming out of DC until it's been denied.)
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To: Brytani

Dads Retired from the IBEW Beckjord power plant He’a already so Pi$$ed that the unions didn’t step up a few weeks ago he could Chew Batteries and Spit Lightning ....


31 posted on 08/21/2010 10:02:01 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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To: Recon Dad

I used to deploy tradeshows in NYC and Philadelphia. The unions always play hardball. If you let the union workers work just one minute past their work time, they charge you overtime immediately. And you cannot work on the booth yourself, the union people have to do it, because it’s their “job”.


32 posted on 08/21/2010 10:04:15 PM PDT by Justaham
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To: KarenMarie

Excellent points.


33 posted on 08/21/2010 10:05:13 PM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (Give me Liberty.. or I'll get up and get it for myself!)
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To: Brytani
In "Right to Work" states, we don't even know what a union is.

We've got thousands of guys who were plumbers last week, drywall guys the week before that , and electricians this week.

Somehow, we get it built and inspected and occupied, all without the say so and input of a bunch of mobbed up union morons.

34 posted on 08/21/2010 10:06:52 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: Kaslin

Any company whose workers refuse will be taken over by Barry (hey, he lifted his little finger and took over GM with barely a peep of protest) and all the workers will be fired and replaced by Hussein-friendly workers.


35 posted on 08/21/2010 10:14:00 PM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: Kaslin

Roberto Duran was heard to have said “no mosque.”


36 posted on 08/21/2010 10:33:47 PM PDT by decisis
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To: Kaslin
Put pig blood in the concrete.

That way, they'll never get it out.

37 posted on 08/21/2010 10:34:53 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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On a side note regarding union labor: Are FReepers generally against all unions? My thought is for skilled trades, where apprenticeship is necessary to ensure the worker has the requisite skills to do the job safely and accurately is not a bad thing.

I don’t know if wages in those trades go up as rapidly as government workers, which might be a factor against how bargaining contracts are negotiated, but there really seems a legitimate reason for them.

Unskilled work and paper pushing jobs do not seem to have the same merit as skilled trades.

Be curious to know others opinions.


38 posted on 08/21/2010 10:35:53 PM PDT by FreeStateYank (I want my country and constitution back, now!)
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To: Carry_Okie
Put pig blood in the concrete. That way, they'll never get it out.

> Viola! Solution!!!!! I'm also sure that there are several meat packers that have plenty to spare ....Calling Oscar Mayer...

39 posted on 08/21/2010 10:46:27 PM PDT by fantail 1952 ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice")
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To: tommix2

You’re right about that. It’s one thing for people to comment never having seen Ground Zero up close. It’s something entirely different for guys who saw them pulling body parts out of the pile and carrying them out in buckets! And those weren’t EMTs with medical training.... Those ironworkers probably still have nightmares about the things they saw.


40 posted on 08/21/2010 10:55:20 PM PDT by ponygirl
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To: Kaslin
This is nothing more than a JJ style shakedown....Buy a piece of property in the middle of any town and threaten to put a business that the community do not want....If the community couldn't pass laws to keep it from coming to fruition, a wealthy member of the community would offer to buy the person out....

If what “Hore”aldo just said is true he's been offer 4 times what he paid for it....The more upset people become the higher his profit....and shakedowner laughs all the way to the bank. He has no intention of building that building., just making big money fast.

41 posted on 08/21/2010 10:56:23 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: FreeStateYank

Pretty much all unions....

Think it’s tough being an open conservative in a union?...try being a union guy on FR...

IBEW since 95...non union for 18 years previous..

And yeah...sorry to say...there will be some creeps who will take that call...

Our local just voted to cut it’s own throat becuase the international said JUMP.


42 posted on 08/21/2010 11:04:09 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: GOPJ
Liberals don't 'get this' because they're soooooo open minded their brains have fallen out...

I like this so much, I think I'll steal it for my tagline for awhile. But I'm giving credit.

43 posted on 08/21/2010 11:16:22 PM PDT by Emile ("Leftists are so 'open-minded', their brains have fallen out." -- (HT to GOPJ))
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To: Kaslin

I predict we’ll see similar stories when the time comes to build the Obama Presidential Library.


44 posted on 08/21/2010 11:25:39 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown. -- written by Robert Towne)
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To: Kaslin

A 9-11 Tribute.
http://www.gunstuff.com/america-attacked.html


45 posted on 08/21/2010 11:32:46 PM PDT by Goldie Lurks (professional moonbat catcher)
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To: Crim

Thanks, Crim, for getting back to me on the union thing. Weird thing is, I would think that most trade unionists are rather conservative. Most people that I’ve met non-union or union who actually do something requiring technical skills are a rather practical, pragmatic bunch?

Completely unrelated to trade union members, except for perhaps some fiscal conservatism, the Hill Buzz Boys mentioned that the group of entrepreneurial gay guys known as ‘Bears’ are a logical fit for the R party as they are fiscally prudent people, who own businesses. Makes me wonder how many people don’t really think about who/what they are voting for and vote in a historical pattern or the mini-soundbites and MSM propaganda.

Out of curiosity, how did the local cut it’s own throat due to International pressure?


46 posted on 08/22/2010 12:18:56 AM PDT by FreeStateYank (I want my country and constitution back, now!)
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To: MrBambaLaMamba
>>Contemplate a smoking crater?
 
Isn't that exactly what the Jihadists want?  They loved the fruits of Timothy McVeigh's labors.
 
 
If they were serious about "Americanizing" Islam - they'd be facilitating the construction of Christian churches, Buddhist temples, Jewish synagogues, Wiccan circles or whatever else - under the lawful protection of the New Secular Free Republic of Saudi Arabia.
 
If they were serious about "Americanizing" Islam.
 
Instead, they try to provoke US into discarding our own principles - and a "smoking crater" would be nothing but evidence of their success.
 
smoking crater?  No.  There are other ways of handling this - preferably by keeping their monument from being built where it doesn't belong in the first place.
 
 
 
{Applause for the NY Hard-Hats from this Peanut Gallery}
 

47 posted on 08/22/2010 12:52:56 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Brytani

“NY is a closed shop State, which means you can not perform work without being a member of the Union.”

If union rank and file oppose this I wouldn’t be suprised if NY became a right to work state. Heck, in another year most construction workers and contractors will be unemployed anyway. With no one investing there will be no work.


48 posted on 08/22/2010 1:08:14 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
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To: Jean S

There is a lot of illegal construction. Bloombird claims he can’t find it all and stop it all—there’s too much of it. So guess who will turn a blind eye to nonunion workers while he has restaurant owners fined for having empty salt shakers in the kitchen and has smoke detectors installed in the trees.


49 posted on 08/22/2010 1:18:37 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Justaham

Been down the same road. Our industry has not held a major show in NYC for a very long time.


50 posted on 08/22/2010 3:38:07 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( "Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way")
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