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Oy Vey, Obama (Jews leaving Democratic party)
New York Times ^ | August 20, 2010 | Charles M. Blow

Posted on 08/21/2010 3:47:35 AM PDT by reaganaut1

Is President Obama good for the Jews? For more and more Jewish-Americans, the answer is no.

In a Pew Research Center report issued on Thursday and entitled “Growing Number of Americans Say Obama Is a Muslim” (tragic in its own right), there was another bit of bad news for Obama: the number of Jews who identify as Republican or as independents who lean Republican has increased by more than half since the year he was elected. At 33 percent it now stands at the highest level since the data have been kept. In 2008, the ratio of Democratic Jews to Republican Jews was far more than three to one. Now it’s less than two to one.

This is no doubt a reaction, at least in part, to the Obama administration having taken a hard rhetorical stance with Israel, while taking “special time and care on our relationship with the Muslim world,” as Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, put it in June. If that sounds like courtship, it is.

(It should be noted that the Pew poll was taken before Obama’s bold support for the right of Muslims to build a community center and mosque a few blocks north of ground zero.)

Some of the president’s most ardent critics and some of Israel’s staunchest American defenders — two groups that are by no means mutually exclusive — have seized on what they see as the administration’s unfair and unbalanced treatment of Israel and have taken their denunciations to the extremes.

In September 2009, Obama went before the United Nations and declared, “America does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements.”

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1 posted on 08/21/2010 3:47:36 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: dennisw; Yehuda; Nachum; SJackson; reaganaut1

Good news, and answered prayers.


2 posted on 08/21/2010 3:49:30 AM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: reaganaut1

It’s the economy stupid.

To attribute Obama’s jewish supporters of angst over his behaviour towards Israel is simply unlikely.

Jewish people like everyone else are very hard hit by unemployment and this dreadful economy.


3 posted on 08/21/2010 3:50:55 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: reaganaut1

Interesting. The American Jewish infatuation with liberals and the Democrat Party has been one of the most inexplicable aspects of US politics for as long as I have been following things.

It’s about time they realized which side of the bread has the butter on it. Or should that be shmaltz?


4 posted on 08/21/2010 3:51:39 AM PDT by Ronin (If it weren’t so gruesomely malevolent, Islam would just be silly.)
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To: Ronin

schmaltz...


5 posted on 08/21/2010 3:52:07 AM PDT by Ronin (If it weren’t so gruesomely malevolent, Islam would just be silly.)
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To: reaganaut1

“Special time and care on our relationship with the Muslim world,”
Any questions about Obama being dumb and dangerous?.


6 posted on 08/21/2010 3:55:55 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: reaganaut1

I don’t know. My liberal, libertarian jewish friend says she doesn’t care if theY build a mosque at ground zero or not. She is all for tolerance and diversity. Her friend Jane died in one of the planes that hit the world trade tower. I asked her, what would Jane think, and she said “Jane would want the mosque.”


7 posted on 08/21/2010 3:57:43 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Carley
Fair or not, these criticisms are crystallizing into a shared belief among many: Obama is burning bridges with the Jewish community in order to build bridges to the Muslim world.

I think there's something to this.

8 posted on 08/21/2010 4:01:39 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Congress won't stop spending, so I WILL.. . . Starve the beast!)
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To: onyx

This is an opinion piece based off of faulty polling. Do you really think that life long socialists that also happen to be Jewish are just waking up one day and saying, “Oy Vey, I don’t want to be a democrat anymore so I think I’ll go vote Republican!” Not so fast my friend. The issue might be that many of the leftist brain dead Jews are PO’d that Obama is not sticking to his campaign rhetoric as they want someone who really will walk the leftist socialist line on all fronts. Obama has walked some but has deviated from others to their chagrin.


9 posted on 08/21/2010 4:02:11 AM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Hope and Change. Rhetoric embraced by the Insane - Obama, The Chump in Charge)
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To: reaganaut1

I would not be surprised if we start to see support from blacks peeling away from Obama as well.

While it will never be to a great extent, I can actually see Obama’s support drop into the mid-80s among blacks.

His destruction of the economy and his support of islam will be coupled with new stories about his “half-black” heritage that will drive down his support.


10 posted on 08/21/2010 4:03:06 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Boardwalk

Well then, Jane is an idiot.


11 posted on 08/21/2010 4:03:28 AM PDT by guardian_of_liberty (We must bind the Government with the Chains of the Constitution...)
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To: Ronin

“The American Jewish infatuation with liberals and the Democrat Party has been one of the most inexplicable aspects of US politics for as long as I have been following things.”

It has also been a mystery to me.
I never understood it.
But, how does one explain the American left’s infatuation with Marxism and phony illegal leaders?


12 posted on 08/21/2010 4:03:45 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: onyx

Very good news!

What many Americans who live outside of New York don’t understand is that most Jews from the late 19th-early 20th century immigrations arrived here as leftists. The Lower East Side was full of socialist newspapers in Yiddish, and the attraction of Jews to the labor union movement and their importance in it grew out of the European socialist ideas they brought with them. Don’t forget, even Israel was originally conceived of as a Socialist paradise.

Even their success under the American system didn’t seem to change their minds or at any rate, their ideals. Many of these things were more romantic notions than anything else; Jews who were successful capitalists felt vaguely guilty about their success and continued to profess loyalty to socialist ideals, even though they didn’t practice them other than to vote Dem.

Another factor was that in the 1930s, many of the Jews who came here fleeing Hitler were also leftists, particularly the academics among them. Thus you had yet a fresh infusion of leftist thought in Jewish circles.

So the devotion to the Democratic Party and leftist causes can be explained for historical reasons and is long-standing and more emotional than rational, even though the Dems have always had an antisemitic undercurrent in their party.

It has taken active hostility from a Dem president and legislature to finally get the attention of Jews, but I think some of the Jewish community might be taking a fresh look at their old allegiances.


13 posted on 08/21/2010 4:04:34 AM PDT by livius
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To: reaganaut1; ExTexasRedhead

A man I work with (absolutely brilliant) is a secular Jew, and a big Democrat supporter.

We get into political discussions sometimes, but less seldom than you would think. Mostly, I enjoy his incredible wit and his lighting fast sense of perception.

He is not a big supporter of Netanyahu, and is suspicious of the "the right" everywhere (in general and in practice). However, when Obama treated Netanyahu like a used paper towel, I could see the anger rise up in him.

I believe many Jews are waking up. Not all, but many.

All it takes is a crack for the foundation to have serious problems. If the Democrats lose the Jews, they lose - big time. They lose leadership, intelligence, and financing. They lose their most capable and successful voting bloc.

If the Democrats lost the Jews, all they have left is all the homosexual vote, almost all of the union vote, 90% of the Black vote, and about 60% of the Hispanic vote.

14 posted on 08/21/2010 4:05:04 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Boardwalk

On the other hand, I live outside of Miami and am watching carefully what is being written about and said in the Jewish press. Especially in Palm Beach and Broward areas.

Jews are turning on Obama and the Dems. The economy is a big part of it but what has sealed the cake is the admins treatment of Israel AND Iran’s nuclear plant.

A few well know Rabbi’s from large congregations have come out with strong anti-Obama/anti-Clinton. pro-Republican editorials.

The tide has turned and while 2% of the population can not sway an election, perception counts. As Jews start moving to the GOP in large numbers, it sends a very loud signal.


15 posted on 08/21/2010 4:05:42 AM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

I read it, looked at the charts and realized it’s an opinion pice. It remains good news, answered prayers and of course old, Left-wing Jewish people will continue to vote democrat, but not for Obama.


16 posted on 08/21/2010 4:07:36 AM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: Boardwalk
“Jane would want the mosque.”

Jane was stupid (and liberal), too.

17 posted on 08/21/2010 4:09:57 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: guardian_of_liberty

nope,
Jane is just your typical American Jew.
While more educated as a whole, American Jews gots no common sense.


18 posted on 08/21/2010 4:11:25 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: fightinJAG

All true patriots are worried about this abandoning of our traditional alllies and his move towards embracing the muslim world.


19 posted on 08/21/2010 4:11:55 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

Yes, it is happening. The moves are taking place with Orthodox and Reformed Jews. Liberal Jews play at being Jewish, JINO’s or as I call them, JIFO - Jews in Food Only. Eating bagels does not a Jew make and for many liberal Jews, that is as close as they come to practicing their faith.

There’s two reasons for this shift. First, many more Jews are returning to Temple with many moving to more conservative sides of Judaism. Combine that with support for Israel and fear of Iran and they simply can not support an administration that has proven itself to be pro-terrorist, anti-Israel.


20 posted on 08/21/2010 4:12:18 AM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: SkyPilot
I am a Jew who voted for the “old guy” in 2008. Why Jews persistently remain in the Liberal camp boils down to one word that Barry capitalized on:

CHANGE

Jews love change, Jews love new dynamics, Jews love progressive movements that may (but usually do not) change or reform the world. In short, Jews are starry-eyed and it takes more than a slap, punch or even blast (excuse the terror association) to wake them up. Any realistic-thinking Jew should have voted against Barry but, things being as they are, he used the catch-all phrase: CHANGE and the Jews went for it, hook, line and sinker...too bad. Now they're waking up?

Hopefully!!!!!!!!

21 posted on 08/21/2010 4:12:29 AM PDT by Netz
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

Well, I think Jane probably would have changed her mind, but it is too late for that.

My liberal Jewish friend says there are hundreds of Japanese restaurants near Pearl Harbor.


22 posted on 08/21/2010 4:12:33 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: reaganaut1

23 posted on 08/21/2010 4:12:36 AM PDT by zeebee
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To: Boardwalk

My condolences for her friend Jane. Ask your liberal friend if she’d like a Nazi Party bund meeting hall within close proximity of Ground Zero, or better yet, next to the largest synagogue in NYC? Why not, after all, we must be tolerant of all people’s belief, regardless of the degree of hatred. And of course become diverse, so no one group is dominant and we can all get along and admire each others differences (even if we can’t agree on basic philosophical/religious beliefs), if that’s what she means by diverse. Your friend is adolescent in her mindset, hence her naivete and gullibility. Please have her study history to better understand the ugly, evil side of humanity that has always and will always exist in mankind, because we are imperfect and inclined to error and dare i say it, sin? Oh, I forgot, choices (bad ones, sin) are relevant, so when groups of totalitarian types (nazis, stalinists, maoists, islamists) decide to perform mass murder, it’s ok, they really don’t mean it, they’re making a choice that is comfortable for them. I’ll never understand the incredible stupidity and state of denial liberals find themselves in. It will get the rest of us killed.


24 posted on 08/21/2010 4:13:00 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: fightinJAG

Unlike Jimmy Carter, the Bummer has no excuse for not knowing exactly what the Moose hate and why and to what extents they will go to live out that hate. He lived with it up close and personal in Indonesia.


25 posted on 08/21/2010 4:14:26 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Brytani
"The economy is a big part of it but what has sealed the cake is the admins treatment of Israel AND Iran’s nuclear plant."

No one has yet mentioned the dismantling of the greatest healthcare system in the world. Lots of Jews are doctors, and of those who are not, many love to GO to doctors.

There's been enough talk of Obamacare that they're starting to figure out what's coming, and as soon as that realization hits..... And in FLORIDA? I shudder....

26 posted on 08/21/2010 4:17:00 AM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly - 2 Corinthians 10:3-5)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“I would not be surprised if we start to see support from blacks peeling away from Obama as well.”

Not a chance.


27 posted on 08/21/2010 4:22:09 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: livius
So the devotion to the Democratic Party and leftist causes can be explained for historical reasons and is long-standing and more emotional than rational, even though the Dems have always had an antisemitic undercurrent in their party.

It has taken active hostility from a Dem president and legislature to finally get the attention of Jews, but I think some of the Jewish community might be taking a fresh look at their old allegiances.

Thank you so much for the wonderful background information, dear friend. I have a pretty good understanding of Jewish people because I've made a point to learn.

I think you're right. Obama has given reason for many to take a fresh look at old allegiances.

I am particularly pleased with Jewish Americans for Sarah Palin! The PFI has graciously allowed Jewish Americans for Sarah Palin to offer a kosher shabbaton for the evening of August 27, 2010, the evening before she appears with Glenn Beck at the Lincoln Memorial. Sarah is their keynote speaker.

:)

28 posted on 08/21/2010 4:24:46 AM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: reaganaut1

Jews are leaving the Democratic Party for reasons that have to do with the party platform. Yes, it is about support for Israel, which has been less ardent with the left-wing becoming increasingly shrill, vociferous, gaining influence on Party politics, platform, with more of a hostile, jaundiced eye towards Israel,Jewish political viewpoint.


29 posted on 08/21/2010 4:26:18 AM PDT by lbryce (Obama Notwithstanding, America's Best Days Are Yet To Be .)
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To: zeebee

Great cartoon - thanks for sharing.


30 posted on 08/21/2010 4:26:42 AM PDT by GOPJ ("Obama" in Farsi means "He is with us" www.answerbag.com/q_view/1074020#ixzz0x0JiHNFD :combat_boots)
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To: Ronin

It’s a leftover prejudice from the 1930s when republicans represented some sort of a country-club lifestyle which Jews weren’t welcome at. That’s the sort of prejudice which has a 25-year useful life i.e. the people responsible for whatever you don’t like about whatever it is will all be gone in that much time.


31 posted on 08/21/2010 4:32:48 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: reaganaut1

By this time next year, someone will ask the polling question: Is Obama an enemy or friend to the USA?

The lapdog media will be shocked by the response, no doubt.


32 posted on 08/21/2010 4:34:13 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: reaganaut1

Welcome to the GOP, our new Jewish friends! We’ve been expecting you.


33 posted on 08/21/2010 4:36:13 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: oprahstheantichrist

You are correct and its a factor I failed to include.

Older Jews are very concerned about health care while younger Jews, who are/were for socialized health care, ultimately did not support the bill.

There have been quite a few protests down here against health care reform with many of the speakers being Jewish Doctors.

A shift away from the Dems may be an anomaly; a short term protest vote with the intent to wake up the Dems. The GOP would be foolish not to keep the Jewish vote on our side. There is no logical reason why religious Jews would not support Conservatives.


34 posted on 08/21/2010 4:37:06 AM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: Brytani

“The tide has turned and while 2% of the population can not sway an election...”

Your math is probably right, and I’m not going to ever argue math with anybody. But, I must point out that the Jewish population, while small, is very politically involved and is concentrated in NY, CA & FL, three big states.

Besides everything else, the Dems do not DESERVE the support of the Jews.

I hope history will remember Obama for 2 things, being the first black elected President and being the person who destroyed the Democratic Party.

Losing the Jews will be a good step in that direction.


35 posted on 08/21/2010 4:38:13 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Carley

People tend to get uncomfortable when someone in power over them chums around with a group that advocates their murder.


36 posted on 08/21/2010 4:43:46 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: reaganaut1

Off topic, but the writer is named Blow, and Obama DID say he did “blow”, .....hmmmmm.


37 posted on 08/21/2010 4:45:52 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Brytani

My Jewish in laws are still more afraid of a Christian trying to Convert them than they are a Muslim trying to KILL them!! Go figure.


38 posted on 08/21/2010 4:48:07 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Boardwalk

I’m sure Jane would also approve of Iranian nukes, and the testing of them 2 miles off the coast of tel aviv. After all, we shouldn’t be the only ones with nukes, seeing as how we cause all the worlds problems and all....

When Ahmadinnerjacket brings the second holocaust, Jews in the media will preach restraint, while their brethren are slaughtered. Or they’ll just ignore it altogether.


39 posted on 08/21/2010 4:49:56 AM PDT by johncocktoasten (Practicing asymetrical thread warfare against anti-Palin Trolls)
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To: Ronin

Most NY Jews are secular. They are not driven by their heritage or beliefs any more than a Catholic that votes democrat. I’m have mexican heritage but think we should control our borders. My brothers think there’s nothing wrong with millions of Mexicans coming here to work. Which just goes to show you that I got all the brains in the family.


40 posted on 08/21/2010 4:50:55 AM PDT by Paco
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To: reaganaut1
If Barry thinks this is bad wait until people find out he's gay.

41 posted on 08/21/2010 4:52:41 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: Ronin

...”Interesting. The American Jewish infatuation with liberals and the Democrat Party has been one of the most inexplicable aspects of US politics for as long as I have been following things”...

Me, too. Such a mystery..The only thing I can figure is that the Democrats had control of our government for so long, as well as aspects of our academic institutions and commerce to such an extent that our Jewish brothers and sisters felt the need to grovel to gain some influence in all that..I hope they are beginning to see that everything could be lost if we lose our individual rights.


42 posted on 08/21/2010 4:54:13 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: SkyPilot

Not all of the Union vote. I’ve been a union member for over 30 years and about 1/4 to 1/3 of the people I work with are solid conservatives.


43 posted on 08/21/2010 4:58:06 AM PDT by MCF
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To: livius

A great explanation..Thanks!


44 posted on 08/21/2010 4:58:13 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: jocon307

Agreed. 2% in close areas can do wonders, why I feel they can’t sway elections is because of the concentrations of Jewish voters in California and NY, traditionally Dem states.

Where they can make a difference is in Florida; which is why I’m so glad to see a movement towards the GOP in key areas. Florida is trending right, even with the problems we have with Greer and the FGOP. Every group that moves in our direction needs to remain there.

We will have a better idea after the mid-terms if Jews are leaving the Dems. The results from Palm Beach, Boca, parts of Miami-Dade and Broward will be interesting. One race in particular should be looked at closely - District 22, Allen West against Ron Klein.

The district is heavily weighted with Republican voters but is 13% Jewish. We held the seat for 26 years until Klein, was able to win on Obama’s coat-tails; he only won by 2-3%, the Jewish vote helped push Klein over the top. Allen is leading with GOP voters, how the Jewish vote goes will determine if it’s a nail bitter or a decisive West/GOP win.


45 posted on 08/21/2010 4:58:57 AM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

“Jane would want the mosque.”

Jane, being in Heaven, hopefully, now has a new perspective.


46 posted on 08/21/2010 5:01:46 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Boardwalk

Koo Koo..Koo Koo...Koo Koo.


47 posted on 08/21/2010 5:03:23 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: SkyPilot

Jewish Voters in America are not a very large group, what they do offer is they fund something like 45% of all typical Dhimmicrat Party contributions.

I’d imagine a shift in Jewish support is basically economic in nature and not some grand philosophical shift.


48 posted on 08/21/2010 5:08:15 AM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: onyx

Good point. Libs are programmed to reduce whole groups to single issues (Hispanics=immigration, women=abortion, senior citizens=social security).


49 posted on 08/21/2010 5:08:22 AM PDT by FelixFelicis
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To: fightinJAG

Of course the criticism is fair. It’s exactly O’s agenda.

He has begun a two pronged attack on America as we know it.

The islamification of America and the marxist destruction of capitalization.


50 posted on 08/21/2010 5:09:18 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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