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Swatting babies with the Constitution doesn't improve immigration system
Ft. Worth Star-Telegram ^ | August 20, 2010 | Editorial

Posted on 08/21/2010 7:07:27 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

All this talk about "anchor babies" and "birth tourism" and congressional hearings on the 14th Amendment are political sound and fury that accomplish nothing constructive regarding U.S. immigration policy.

Constitutional tinkering based more on fear than facts is dangerous business.

And opponents of changing the way a newborn's citizenship is determined correctly point out that a national registration system would be needed, creating an entire new federal bureaucracy. Are the costs worth the uncertain benefits?

The challenge is deciding which of those illegal immigrants to force to leave, which to allow to stay and how to prevent others from disregarding U.S. laws to enter the country.

Beating up on unborn babies riles folks up, but it doesn't provide the needed solutions and merely turns the Constitution into a political prop.

(Excerpt) Read more at star-telegram.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: amnesty; anchorbabies; failure; illegalimmigration

1 posted on 08/21/2010 7:07:32 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Should be en espanol to be more effective.
2 posted on 08/21/2010 7:12:25 AM PDT by RockinRight (Outrage does not make the law.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

BS. Remove the anchor baby provision and remove half the reason pregnant women trudge across the Rio Grande while 8.5 months pregnant.


3 posted on 08/21/2010 7:12:57 AM PDT by RockinRight (Outrage does not make the law.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It’s a tough debate that shouldn’t be; I think if you’re here illegally, having broken federal law, you and your children shouldn’t be entitled to anything. Period.


4 posted on 08/21/2010 7:14:13 AM PDT by ThePatrioticArtist (It's not the painting itself, but the message it sends that's important.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It would stop a lot of late term pregnant illegals. It would save money on Hospital maternity bills. Obama may as well put a free ATM machine on the border to dispense cash to the illegal invaders. Maybe that would stimulate the economy.


5 posted on 08/21/2010 7:14:34 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Wouldn’t a nationalized health care system also require a national registry with a huge new federal bureaucracy?


6 posted on 08/21/2010 7:14:41 AM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Carbon Dioxide is plant food, not pollution.)
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To: RockinRight

The odd part about the 14th Amendment bruhaha is that Illegal Aliens never had the rights to bestow citizenship on their supposedly “legal” children.

It’s academic, they do not earn the right to citizenship by illegal means from people who never were citizens themselves.

It’s a spurrious argument.

Deport now. Deport often. Repeat. Save the USA.


7 posted on 08/21/2010 7:15:07 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So libs are suddenly against tinkering with the Constitution and creating new bureaucracies?


8 posted on 08/21/2010 7:15:14 AM PDT by JrsyJack (a healthy dose of buckshot will probably get you the last word in any argument.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

All it does is takes the pressure off controlling the border. Illegals don’t care about the constitution or laws anyway.

If you control the border, you’ll have far fewer anchor babies.


9 posted on 08/21/2010 7:20:18 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: screaminsunshine
I wonder how many hospitals are being shut down by the Illegal parasites sucking up the freebies. The one in Hope, AR is in deep trouble thanks to the Huckster and the Toons.
10 posted on 08/21/2010 7:20:31 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Virtually every country in the world uses the "other system" and those babies don't become American citizens just because their mother's vagina was hanging out over the Texas stateline.

There's little risk to the welfare of this country to change our system to conform to the way the world does it ~ and BTW, Mexico does it that way ~ not our way. They don't want American "tourist babies" showing up trying to run for Congress down there someday. Else, they'd have nothing but rich Americans running the country!

11 posted on 08/21/2010 7:21:57 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The Fort Worthless Star Telegram will always be for more Democrat votes, illegal or legal. Why is the USA the largest country that allows so-called “birthright citizenship?” No wonder other countries consider Uncle Sap a real patsy.

Borrowing money from the Chinese to pay for illegals from other countries to suck our shriveled welfare teat shows a total lack of brains on the part of US voters.


12 posted on 08/21/2010 7:24:17 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
All this talk about "anchor babies" and "birth tourism" and congressional hearings on the 14th Amendment are political sound and fury that accomplish nothing constructive regarding U.S. immigration policy.

A half million anchor babies per year, nearly all of which were birthed for free, nearly all of which will recieve welfare, free education, healthcare and other benefits, nearly all of which are future dim voters who will petition all their relatives to enter the USA via chain migration.

Yeah, sure, pretty inconsequential.

13 posted on 08/21/2010 7:25:00 AM PDT by umgud (Obama is a failed experiment.)
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To: wac3rd

Unless I’m mistaken, it goes to jurisdiction over the people. The United States does not have jurisdiction over Mexican illegals, or people from other countries. Mexico has jurisdiction over their people, so the illegals have to go back to Mexico. That includes their children.

The government needs to go back to the original intent of the 14th Ammendment. From my understanding, it was put in place for the children of the slaves, not just anyone who had a baby within the United States.


14 posted on 08/21/2010 7:27:20 AM PDT by RC2 (Remember who we are. "I am America")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I will not even address the Rule of Law issue, since that apparently is not a high priority — or any priority at all — at the Star-Telegram. But here we have a Texas newspaper that does not understand that the rest of us do not want to continue to pay taxes to SUBSIDIZE someone else’s cheap labor, nor do we want to pay for that cheap labor to breed. The costs of illegals — their medical care, turning our schools upside down to educate their young, countless other costs — are not being born by the people who benefit from having cheap employees. Those costs are being born by the rest of us, and we are not happy. It is, in effect, a transfer of wealth from us to them. These people are parasites. That realization is a large part of what is driving the birthright citizenship debate.


15 posted on 08/21/2010 7:35:56 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Interpreting the 14th Amendment to extend citizenship to the newborns of illegals is a relatively recent concept, certainly within the last sixty years.


16 posted on 08/21/2010 7:54:53 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The “birthright citizenship” interpretation championed by the left (and, let’s face it: it was the left that trotted out that misappplication of the 14th) is rebutted by posing this simple question:

If a pregnant member of an invading army (say, for the purpose of illustration, a nurse with the Chinese military) delivers her spawn while serving with an invading Chinese force, would that baby thus be entitled to automatic ‘birthright citizenship?’ Of course not. And neither should the spawn of an invading Mexican or any other nationality.


17 posted on 08/21/2010 8:03:53 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: RockinRight

We need to deport or imprison ALL illegal aliens, including their anchor babies, seal/secure the border with a fence and armed troops and have an armed response to anyone who tries to re-enter illegally. It’s time to reverse the drain on our country.


18 posted on 08/21/2010 8:05:35 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: RockinRight

As a native Texan, I concur. Would I be considered too hateful if I said hold the newborns in the hospitals until their illegal parents paid the cost of the delivery?

Just a thought.


19 posted on 08/21/2010 8:11:07 AM PDT by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: ought-six; Oldeconomybuyer

http://judiciary.house.gov/legacy/6042.htm

Senator Jacob Howard, the author of the citizenship clause in the Fourteenth Amendment, defined who would fall within the “jurisdiction of the United States”:

[E]very person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.


20 posted on 08/21/2010 8:33:26 AM PDT by WSGilcrest (I'm just sayin'...)
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To: WSGilcrest; ought-six; Oldeconomybuyer
http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=015/llsl015.db&recNum=256

Companion to the Fourteenth Amendment the Expatriation Act of 1868 was passed on July 27th, 1868 just 18 days after the ratification of the 14th Amendment (July 9, 1868):

Whereas the right of expatriation is a natural and inherent right of all people, indispensable to the enjoyment of the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; and whereas in the recognition of this principle, this government has freely received emigrants from all nations, and invested them with the rights of citizenship; and whereas it is claimed that such American citizens, with their descendants, are subjects of foreign states, owing allegiance to the governments thereof<.u>; and whereas it is necessary to the maintenance of public peace that this claim of foreign allegiance should be promptly and finally disavowed; Therefore,

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That any declaration, instruction, opinion, order, or decision of any officers of this government which denies, restricts, impairs, or questions the right of expatriation, is hereby declared inconsistent with the fundamental principles of this government.

We don't need any new bureaucracy, all they need to do is go back to the original way births were handled. If you were born to American citizens, then you get a birth certificate. If you are born to aliens, legal or illegal, you get a receipt of birth which you take to the ministry of your country to file where you fill out papers for a certificate of birth from the country of the parents.

easy as pie. it was how it had been done for decades.

21 posted on 08/21/2010 8:58:18 AM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: patlin

Or, as I heard a Congressman say. We make it up as we go along. Then, we had Pete Stark tell us, the federal Government could pretty much do any thing the want to do.


22 posted on 08/21/2010 9:15:51 AM PDT by itsahoot (We the people allowed Republican leadership to get us here, only God's Grace can get us out.)
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To: itsahoot

Or one of my all time favorites:

What’s the sense of reading the bill if you don’t have 2 days & 2 lawyers to tell you what’s on the bill.


23 posted on 08/21/2010 10:11:22 AM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: itsahoot

corrected:

What’s the sense of reading the bill if you don’t have 2 days & 2 lawyers to tell you what’s in the bill.


24 posted on 08/21/2010 10:12:27 AM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Yeah, put a 20 foot strawman right in the title and the rest follows easily...


25 posted on 08/21/2010 10:38:29 AM PDT by Moltke (panem et circenses)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Geez, even the leftist Steve Blow from the Dallas Morning News thinks that bestowing citizenship on the children of illegals is nuts. Screw you, Startlegram.


26 posted on 08/21/2010 10:41:29 AM PDT by Rastus
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To: RockinRight

“BS. Remove the anchor baby provision and remove half the reason pregnant women trudge across the Rio Grande while 8.5 months pregnant.”

I find liberals extremely confusing. They want to keep illegal aliens babies and make them citizens and they they want to take citizens babies and abort them. Lithium is probably the best therapy for liberals...very large quantities.


27 posted on 08/21/2010 11:03:37 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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