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Vatican joins protests as France expels Gypsies [ flights followed a roundup of illegal immigrants]
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=7290 ^ | Aug 21 2010 | Catholic culture.org

Posted on 08/21/2010 5:39:13 PM PDT by NoLibZone

The Vatican has joined in criticism of the French government for a campaign to round up and deport Gypsies living illegally in the country.

French immigration authorities put 130 members of the Gypsy, or “Roma,” minority on a plane to Romania on August 19. The previous day, another 86 had left. While French officials say that the departures are voluntary, they have threatened to expel any Roma people who decline to leave voluntarily. The flights followed a roundup of illegal immigrants living in Gypsy camps.

Archbishop Agostino Marchetto, the secretary of the Pontifical Commission for Migrants, said that it was “against European norms” to expel members of a particular minority group. “One cannot generalize and take an entire group of people and kick them out,” he argued.

Romania’s President Traian Basescu has also protested the French policy, and said he would bring his argument against the “xenophobic” campaign to the European Commission.

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1 posted on 08/21/2010 5:39:17 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

Then let the Vatican provide them sanctuary inside the boundaries of Vatican City.

That should do wonders for tourism there.


2 posted on 08/21/2010 5:41:54 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: NoLibZone

What ‘xenophobic’? Do these people have GC or what?


3 posted on 08/21/2010 5:43:47 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: NoLibZone
Let the Vatican give them phony papers and they can become Swiss Guards.
4 posted on 08/21/2010 5:45:26 PM PDT by JPG (How much taxpayer $ did Mookie blow today?)
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To: NoLibZone

I was born in a wagon of a traveling show
My mama used to dance for the money they’d throw


5 posted on 08/21/2010 5:46:30 PM PDT by ponygirl
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To: NoLibZone

What is happening?

France is now the tough guy on illegals and Muslims...while the US is pandering to both groups.

Scary is when the French start acting with more authority than the USA. Proof we have some real wussified leaders in the USA.

Anyone familiar with Europe and Euros is that they despise the Gypsies (a more accurate term than the PC “Roma”)


6 posted on 08/21/2010 5:49:48 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (JD for Senate ..... jdforsenate.com. You either voting for JD, or voting for the Liberal...)
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To: Tainan

Rome is already over-run with gypsies who rape, pillage and loot with abandon because the idiot PC authorities are afraid to single them out. Rome should follow France and deport the bastards. They particularly prey on tourists, using boys and girls to distract and rob you. The underage can’t be prosecuted.


7 posted on 08/21/2010 5:51:51 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: NoLibZone

Send them to the Vatican instead then. They’ll just love them good ol’ “Rotation-Europeans” in a week or two. Uh-huh.

“Hey, where’s my Mitra?”
- the Pope.


8 posted on 08/21/2010 5:51:58 PM PDT by Moltke (panem et circenses)
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To: NoLibZone

My only question for the French government is:

are they willing to go into the many Muslim dominant slums around Paris and do the same thing??

I am not saying that all the French Muslims in those slums are neither citizens or legal immigrants, but many are illegal immigrants, and France knows it and I have not read about any major “round ups” particularly targeting them.

If I am right, then are they going after the gypsies only because they are such a small minority and have no traditional allies and they get to produce the image that they are doing something about “illegals”?


9 posted on 08/21/2010 5:52:26 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: ponygirl
Clinton's grandmother was a fortune teller with carnivals that traveled the South in the summertime.

His 5X Great Grandfather Billy Blythe was known as "King of the Gypsies".

France can get away with this at the moment.

Still, the French' argument here is that these are Vlaach Gypsies and are all professional thieves. At the same time there are guitano who roam back and forth from Spain to France and back and nobody cares, so it's not entirely xenaphobic since it doesn't really relate directly to ethnicity ~ just to skilled trades!

10 posted on 08/21/2010 5:53:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: WashingtonSource

You really can’t tell the difference between Italians and Gypsies around Rome unless you interview them.


11 posted on 08/21/2010 5:54:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Papa would do whatever he could
Preach a little gospel
Sell a couple bottles of Doctor Good

:::hair flip:::

12 posted on 08/21/2010 5:59:57 PM PDT by ponygirl
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To: cunning_fish

What ‘xenophobic’?

Was the Pope paying them a compliment?


13 posted on 08/21/2010 6:01:12 PM PDT by WestwardHo (Whom the god would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: NoLibZone

I’m a little confused. I think Romania is now part of the EU, which means Romanian citizens should be free to live where ever they want to within the EU... No?


14 posted on 08/21/2010 6:01:55 PM PDT by marron
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To: muawiyah

You don’t really want to interview them. Do they have an accent in Italian? Of course, I wouldn’t know the difference. The ones I met (trying to rob me on a major street in broad daylight in front of scores of people) pretended not to know a word of Englishh.


15 posted on 08/21/2010 6:03:16 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

The term “Roma” is more correct. The word “gypsy” was invented under the mistaken belief they were coming into Europe from Egypt ~ rather, they were crossing from Turkey to Bulgaria!


16 posted on 08/21/2010 6:04:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: WashingtonSource

Probably Italians. It’s not like Rome doesn’t have its own criminal class ~ it always has had such people ~ always will.


17 posted on 08/21/2010 6:05:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: marron
Not all citizens of all EU member or affiliated states have the right of free entry and employment to all the other states.

One of the more interesting things that popped up shortly after the Czech Republic was granted "membership" was a parliamentary group wanted to immediately round up all the Gypsies and send them to the Western member states.

That got stopped in a hurry.

So far America is the only place that's gotten a handle on "the gypsy problem" ~ turned 'em loose taking settlers West, and then hired them into aluminum forming and assembly plants during WWII (they had a specialty in light metal work which was of immense value in building airplanes).

It is actually difficult to find traditional gypsies in this country because they live and do the same things other people do. A classless society has its advantages.

For the sake of "research" i've introduced myself and discussed modern gypsy life in America with people who would tell me they were, in fact, Roma, and knew their family or tribe ~ which they would name.

18 posted on 08/21/2010 6:13:24 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

We already have ‘the travelers’ our own South Carolinian gypsies. Will America now have dueling gypsies? Bwahahahaha


19 posted on 08/21/2010 6:14:59 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: NoLibZone

At least France is showing that they finally have the guts to do what the U.S. should be doing, demand that illegal immigrants live up to the price of being a resident in the nation, or not enjoy the full benefits. Sadly though, most U.S. politicians lack the same amount of gut to actually try doing the same, or even see the threat of an overrunning and a bankruptcy by illegal immigration


20 posted on 08/21/2010 6:17:14 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: muawiyah

No, the police said they were gyspies.


21 posted on 08/21/2010 6:22:57 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: muawiyah

Sorry about the spelling. The police said they were gypsies.


22 posted on 08/21/2010 6:23:42 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

I believe Sheriff Andy Taylor kicked them out of Mayberry, too. Although I think Millie wanted to marry one of them.


23 posted on 08/21/2010 6:26:42 PM PDT by Krankor (What a field day for the heat. A thousand people in the street)
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To: MHGinTN

‘We already have ‘the travelers’ our own South Carolinian gypsies.’

I believe that the travelers originated as Irish tinkers, possibly descended from the Roma.


24 posted on 08/21/2010 6:27:05 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: WashingtonSource
The police there are always using that as an excuse. Back when FYR was falling apart the Italians were screaming they were being taken over by the Albanians.

Archaeology suggests the Albanians used to OWN Italy, so no one was particularly disturbed by the idea and didn't say "Oh, those poor Italians".

Now it's the gypsies again.

25 posted on 08/21/2010 6:29:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: marron

Roma doesn’t not mean Romanian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_people


26 posted on 08/21/2010 6:30:09 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I am currently under federal investigation by the DNC for my opposition to the Ground Zero mosque.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

‘It’s always somethin’, don’tchasknow.’


27 posted on 08/21/2010 6:32:39 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: NoLibZone
Romania’s President Traian Basescu has also protested the French policy, and said he would bring his argument against the “xenophobic” campaign to the European Commission.

Guess who doesn't want his own people back?

28 posted on 08/21/2010 6:33:59 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Politicians exist to break windows so they may spend other people's money to fix them.)
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To: NoLibZone

They are not illegal immigrants, they are EU citizens. They leave hellholes like Romania and Bulgaria to go to richer EU countries and their “trade.”


29 posted on 08/21/2010 6:41:01 PM PDT by mainsail that ("A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights" - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: Tainan; NoLibZone

I don’t know a lot about this recent action, so correct me if I’m wrong, but the issue that the Vatican has isn’t with illegal immigration; it’s with ethnic discrimination. There are plenty of Muslim / African illegal immigrants in France, but France permits them to remain. Yet France is targeting the Roma for expulsion. Why? Because Muslims and Africans vote and participate in the political / social structures, and the Roma don’t.

What’s even worse is that the Muslims / Africans are invaders, moving to France in part to effect social change of what it means to be French. The Roma, on the other hand, are nomads, who have moved in and out of France since long before the fifth Republic, or even the first Republic. They don’t have a homeland, per se. (The name Roma has nothing to do with the name Romania.)


30 posted on 08/21/2010 6:47:12 PM PDT by dangus
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To: muawiyah

***The word “gypsy” was invented under the mistaken belief they were coming into Europe from Egypt***

And when someone sells you something that is no good you realize you have been “gyped”.


31 posted on 08/21/2010 6:49:52 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (AKA Rodrigo de Bivar)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

There’s another term for that ~ but you get the idea of who’s higher on the totem pole the second you realize this other term, “gyped”, is still in use.


32 posted on 08/21/2010 6:55:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NoLibZone

The Nazis rounded up the Roma Gypsies as well as the Jews when they decided to exterminate certain ethnic groups. Would it be okay for Americans to round up particular illegal groups such as the Chinese, African American, etc. and allow the rest to stay?


33 posted on 08/21/2010 7:04:15 PM PDT by AnneM62
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To: AnneM62

July 30, 2010
France Deporting Muslim Rioters

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4422422.stm


34 posted on 08/21/2010 7:07:18 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I am currently under federal investigation by the DNC for my opposition to the Ground Zero mosque.)
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To: dangus

July 30, 2010
France Deporting Muslim Rioters

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4422422.stm


35 posted on 08/21/2010 7:07:46 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I am currently under federal investigation by the DNC for my opposition to the Ground Zero mosque.)
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To: AnneM62

No.

France deported 130 Roma and 120 Muslims so far.

France needs to deport 10 more Muslims for the sake of equality.


36 posted on 08/21/2010 7:10:56 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I am currently under federal investigation by the DNC for my opposition to the Ground Zero mosque.)
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To: dangus

The only Roma homeland in Europe was called “The Republic of Rugosa”. During one lengthy period the warrior caste associated with the Romni tribes actually became the primary military force of the city state......................This is the very place the first Romni appeared to Western and Southern Europeans, the Dalmatian Coast being part of the West in those days. This is also where they were “INADVERTENTLY” named gypsies......................Good brief article on this may be found at: http://balkanproject.org/roma/history1.shtml I’ve read most of the documents identified in this piece.


37 posted on 08/21/2010 7:16:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NoLibZone

Tell the pope to mind his own business.


38 posted on 08/21/2010 7:16:29 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (The success of Darwinism was accompanied by a decline in scientific integrity. - Dr. Wm R. Thompson)
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To: dangus
Yet France is targeting the Roma for expulsion. Why?

Because they'll rob ya blind, that's why.

39 posted on 08/21/2010 7:18:43 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (The success of Darwinism was accompanied by a decline in scientific integrity. - Dr. Wm R. Thompson)
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To: Krankor

I believe Sheriff Andy Taylor kicked them out of Mayberry, too. Although I think Millie wanted to marry one of them.


If I remember right....the young blonde one was sweet on the Sheriff


40 posted on 08/21/2010 7:26:33 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (JD for Senate ..... jdforsenate.com. You either voting for JD, or voting for the Liberal...)
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To: NoLibZone

Last time I visited the Vatican, they kicked everyone out at closing time.


41 posted on 08/21/2010 7:27:40 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
Anyone familiar with Europe and Euros is that they despise the Gypsies (a more accurate term than the PC “Roma”)

Or as we call them here now “travelers”

42 posted on 08/21/2010 7:34:28 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: WashingtonSource

Those Gypsies are bad news. They harassed me for about a half hour at the foot of the Eiffel Tower one evening. Being afraid of heights I waited on my group at the bottom. It wasn’t 10 minutes before they started sending their kids over to my bench shaking a cup under my nose for a handout. I kept saying no and they got more and more aggressive until the mother came over and shook the cup at me. I said no again and then she put a curse on me. Finally the Gendarmes came cruising through and they scattered like Quail. All in all an unerving experience.


43 posted on 08/21/2010 7:37:23 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2
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To: Georgia Girl 2

They are everywhere, in every EU state, especially at airports and tourist areas. They harass you, steal from you and simply don’t care about society in general (laws, schools, norms and the like). At least most of them, to be politically correct.

EU needs to deal with them, and I mean try to integrate them. That’s no small task but they are EU citizens.


44 posted on 08/21/2010 7:49:44 PM PDT by mainsail that ("A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights" - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: NoLibZone
France Deporting Muslim Rioters

Thanks for the link. Good for France. Were the Roma Gypsies rioting too or were they singled out for ethnicity?

45 posted on 08/21/2010 8:00:24 PM PDT by AnneM62
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To: NoLibZone; dangus; muawiyah
Roma doesn’t not mean Romanian... The name Roma has nothing to do with the name Romania...

True enough. But the article said they were deported back to Romania, which implies that they are Romanian citizens. And in fact Romania is a center for many of the Roma, who maintain homes there while traveling Europe.

Since no country particularly wants them, Sarkozy could only deport them back to the country whose passports they carry, I would imagine.

46 posted on 08/21/2010 8:03:31 PM PDT by marron
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To: muawiyah

It is actually difficult to find traditional gypsies in this country because they live and do the same things other people do.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I have two stories of my encounters with gypsies.

The first was when I owned a no-tell motel and rented a single room with a kitchenette and two double beds (route 66 days) back in 1969 for one night. Next thing I knew, cars and trucks pulling trailers were pulling in to the parking lot, children running around everywhere, an old lady with her bare breasts and her blouse hanging open sat in a lawn chair yelling orders......it was chaos. The little boys were pissing on the trees, the group grew larger and louder. It was a nightmare and they only paid $8.00 for one night back then. Long story short, they were evicted under threat of calling police.

Fast forward to early 2000’s and I work in the operating room. My patient is a very young boy needing a very minor surgery. I go to the lobby to let the family know he is fine and it’s packed with family! The entire parking lot is packed with family! Family everywhere! They were loud, disruptive to other families, tossing cigarette butts everywhere, cursing, demanding instead of listening.....it was chaos. Turns out the little boy was the next gypsy king so the whole clan showed up.

From my personal experiences with gypsies, I find them too clannish and over-bearing but that’s just my opinion.


47 posted on 08/21/2010 8:21:24 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: JouleZ

They are clannish. However they too will be assimilated. We are America.


48 posted on 08/21/2010 8:24:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Wuli

Last I read the French Police, nor even the Paramedics can even respond to emergency calls in the “Muslim slums” in Paris. They are shot at, pelted by rocks, and even molotov cocktails preventing them from even ENTERIN’G the ‘neighborhoods’. I do believe it would take nothing less than a fully armed HUGE riot squad or even the French Military to gain access to the neighborhoods - and that’s without the threat of deportation!

The Roma may be bad for tourism and other concerns regarding their lifestyles, but IMHO it would be a much better idea to export the muslim illegals before the Gypsies... Then again, maybe this round-up is a precursor to more difficult operations planne in the future. Perhaps they are planning to go ‘group by group’???

I don’t really have much sympathy for folks living in any country illegally, and the Gypsies due to their chosen lifestyle especially had to have known of this risk...


49 posted on 08/21/2010 8:26:44 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

That was the Darlings. They were relatively upper class people- hillbillies. The young blond was sweet on Andy. Whenever her father announced they were going to sing a song like “Honey won’t you be my Salty Dog”, she would invariably remark, “But, Pa, that song makes me cry.”


50 posted on 08/21/2010 8:32:54 PM PDT by Krankor (What a field day for the heat. A thousand people in the street)
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