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Without George W. Bush, division tears apart the online left
Washington Examiner (a print newspaper) ^ | 8/22/2010 | Charlie Spiering

Posted on 08/22/2010 4:38:43 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: markomalley

DU rule:

“Over-the-top assertions of bad faith” in Obama, or “advocating voting against Democrats, or in favor of third-party or GOP candidates; broad-brush smears against Democrats generally; broad expressions of contempt toward Democrats generally.”

Sounds like Journ0List.


51 posted on 08/22/2010 6:59:57 AM PDT by maggief
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To: mojitojoe
Schadenfreude Ping
52 posted on 08/22/2010 7:01:24 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (People I know have papers for their mongrels.)
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To: Moose4

I guess you haven’t been flamed when you didn’t tow the line on FR :)


53 posted on 08/22/2010 7:01:53 AM PDT by mel
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To: markomalley
wow!!! and the DUmmies do NOT run their fundraiser like FR does

FR sets a DOLLAR goal, the DUmmies set a 1000 donation goal regardless of size

if they aren't even hitting that, they are in real trouble...

54 posted on 08/22/2010 7:04:00 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: mel

I don’t think you can call yourself a Freeper until someone has pointed you to JimRob’s FR charter and flamed your post for being Outside The Pale.


55 posted on 08/22/2010 7:19:45 AM PDT by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout")
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To: Jemian
(unless it is for murdering unborn children and those who are too helpless to take care of themselves).

Well, they are also universal in the desire to restrict speech, and that all most be dependent on officers of the state for personal protection.

56 posted on 08/22/2010 7:20:59 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: tanknetter
Ok, what's the "much more radical change" the guy is proposing?

Banning the F-word?

57 posted on 08/22/2010 7:21:40 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: kanawa

The irony is that DU is corporate-sponsored.


58 posted on 08/22/2010 7:30:21 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Moose4

Exactly right about feminists.

I was looking at the Songfacts page for Under My Thumb by the Rolling Stones, and someone had a pretty long post on how the song is demeaning to women and is not very enlightened. The guy who wrote that completely missed the point of the song and took the lyrics as some anti-woman screed.


59 posted on 08/22/2010 7:34:05 AM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Westbrook; SunkenCiv

Ping to Post #10, which is begging for your “nailed it” graphic, SC


60 posted on 08/22/2010 7:43:51 AM PDT by TheOldLady (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: markomalley

I was reading and posting on the Democrat(ic) Underground.

You know, “Keep you friends close, keep your enemies closer.”

A poster was complaining about the dishonesty, misleadings and lies from her fellow Democrats. My response was that followers always emulate their leaders. At the time the Democrats’ leader was Bill Clinton, a court certified liar. I suggested that for her to expect the followers of a dishonest man to be honest was an unreasonable expectation.

This got me banned forever from the Democrat(ic) Underground.

Don’t you just love “open minded liberals”.


61 posted on 08/22/2010 7:49:42 AM PDT by reaganator
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To: reaganator
I was reading and posting on the Democrat(ic) Underground.

Have you disinfected your computer? your fingers? your eyes?

Yuch.

62 posted on 08/22/2010 7:54:14 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: patriotspride

” liberals are never happy and only become united when they all share the same unhappiness.”

Makes me think of that TV show which advertised something like “What will happen when there are no people?” I did a google and maybe it was the show “Live After People.” Sounded demonically depressive to me. Everytime I heard the ad I would think and sometimes say out loud, “Who cares? Shouldn’t we care about the here and now?” Seems like the kind of non-cheery show the libs would love. Imagine there’s no people. Wow, wouldn’t live be grand? Hmm, maybe they are really alien beings? lol


63 posted on 08/22/2010 7:56:32 AM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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To: USS Alaska
Bush's fault, re-scripted in a thousand variations.

This could be DU's motto and would be if they were the least bit honest.
64 posted on 08/22/2010 8:00:50 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd, Medea Benjamin - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: dynoman
Conservativism is the politics of reality, based on what is real, what is known, and what history tells us. Liberalism is the politics of denial, based on whatever it takes for the adherent to deny his own hostility and see himself as a virtuous person.

Rush has pointed out repeatedly that for the liberal, intentions are what count, not results. He is right. All manner of atrocity have been perpetrated by leftwingers with "good intentions," as a result.

65 posted on 08/22/2010 8:05:22 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: markomalley
Skinner proposes the following: “I am starting to think that much more radical change is necessary.”

Other comrades, in other places, discovered that marching the contaminated bourgeosie into the countryside works a charm!

You, too can be an "agrarian reformer", just like Mao or Pol Pot!

Buck up, Comrade Skinner - there's lots of revolutionizing to be done!

66 posted on 08/22/2010 8:08:51 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi; markomalley

***I saw that on DU.***

Did you decontaminate yourself and go through deprograming when you came back to the REAL world?

;-D


67 posted on 08/22/2010 8:18:03 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (AKA Rodrigo de Bivar)
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To: markomalley
I miss it so much that it makes my heart ache. I lie awake at night agonizing over it. I can barely bring myself to read my email anymore. I’m burned out and tired.

LOL. OK, who has that "Attempting to give a damm" .gif handy.

68 posted on 08/22/2010 8:21:08 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Remember in November. Clean the house on Nov. 2. / Progressive is a PC word for liberal democrat.)
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To: Westbrook

Nice post #10.


69 posted on 08/22/2010 8:25:34 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: PJ-Comix; Charles Henrickson
For everyone who goes to the DUmp, here is what you need after leaving!


70 posted on 08/22/2010 8:28:59 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Remember in November. Clean the house on Nov. 2. / Progressive is a PC word for liberal democrat.)
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To: markomalley

71 posted on 08/22/2010 8:48:56 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: CPT Clay; Charles Henrickson; PJ-Comix; Jim Robinson

IIRC they sell ad space over at the DUmp. Why do they even need a fund drive to begin with?


72 posted on 08/22/2010 9:03:59 AM PDT by GQuagmire (Hey now!)
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To: This I Wonder32460

That show is global warming porn.


73 posted on 08/22/2010 9:08:25 AM PDT by downwdims (It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority)
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To: Jemian
I would suggest that a problem with the left is that they have few core values. We on the right know what we want: individual responsibility; less government; government centered in the individual, not a centralized beauracracy; adherence to the Constitution; a strong defense. There are more, but you can see where I’m going with this. But they are just against that, but have nothing that they are really for (unless it is for murdering unborn children and those who are too helpless to take care of themselves). But with the field wide open as to what to be for, they have no center around which they can coalesce.
And this is a good thing.
Theodore Roosevelt famously asserted that
"It is not the critic who counts . . . the credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . . who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds . . . 
Leftism is cheap talk, criticism and second guessing of the successful by those who will not undertake to expose themselves to the posssibility of second guessing by actually taking on any responsibility to actually get things done.

When their own is in power, suddenly criticism is not the highest form of patriotism. To the contrary, only good intentions can matter. Results must be irrelevant.


74 posted on 08/22/2010 9:22:10 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: USS Alaska

Website administrator Skinner has this framed and hung prominently in his operations room:

I
Thou shalt create an illusion of invulnerability shared by most members to foster excessive optimism and encourage extreme risks taking

II
Thou shall not allow any member to question the group’s inherent morality, instead members shall be encouraged to ignore the ethical or moral consequences of their decisions

III
Thou shalt promote collective efforts to rationalize in order to discount warnings, or other information that might lead members to reconsider their assumptions before they recommit themselves to their assumptions

IV
Thou shalt reinforce stereotyped views of enemy leaders as too evil to warrant genuine attempts to negotiate, or as too weak and stupid to counter whatever risky attempts are made to defeat their purpose

V
Thou shalt self-censor any deviation from the apparent group consensus, inclining each member to minimize the importance of their doubts and counterarguments

VI
Thou shalt create and maintain a shared illusion of unanimity concerning judgement conforming to the majority view

VII
Thou shalt apply direct pressure on any member who expresses strong arguments against any of the group’s stereotypes, illusions, or commitments, making clear that this type of dissent is contrary to what is expected of all loyal members

VIII
Thou shalt appoint mindguards to protect the group from adverse information that might shatter their shared complacency about the effectiveness and morality of their decisions.

Based on Iving Janis’ groupthink behaviors. Explains everything website administrator Skinner has done to date.


75 posted on 08/22/2010 9:22:44 AM PDT by Eddie01 (All we every really knew was it was crazy to be doin' it any other way)
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To: This I Wonder32460

Life After People is an interstesting show.

It shows both the speculative future if people suddenly disappeared from the earth and actual events where people have disappeared from various locals around the world during the last hundred years. Surprising how many places have had people ‘dissappear’ from them, never to live there again.


76 posted on 08/22/2010 9:24:56 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five business worries of the Amercan Farmer for the past 50 years)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

You gotta love it. I saw this coming a mile away. Their problem is that there is a group of Obongo freaks that worship the ground he walks on no matter what he does. Now that group probably consists of real posters, along with Obots, and Buffy Wicks and her clan.
Then there is the rest of DU that watches the real issues and what is going on. SO they aren’t liking their promised Messiah, the man they worship. Well when they say they don’t like things he does, the sheep go ballistic.
That’s the difference in people on FR and on DU. Freepers worship no president. We know there is only one person you should worship.


77 posted on 08/22/2010 10:22:22 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("The Arabic call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." punk in chief)
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To: markomalley

Half or more of DU members were Hillary supporters. That doesn’t mean they aren’t Democrats or aren’t liberal, it just means they probably see that the clown in chief is a dismal failure. I think the Obongo should just fund DU since they aren’t allowed to say anything bad about the punk in chief.


78 posted on 08/22/2010 10:29:01 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("The Arabic call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." punk in chief)
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To: Moose4

Skinner should want Palin to run and win. My God, they would be so united over there he would never have to worry about donations. :P You think they hated Bush, that’s nothing compared to what it would be with Palin. A pretty, God loving, 2nd amendment loving, patriotic, white woman. Their worst nightmare.


79 posted on 08/22/2010 10:32:05 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("The Arabic call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." punk in chief)
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To: markomalley

Try it sometime. one of my friends pushes their buttons daily and has remained without getting banned for years.


80 posted on 08/22/2010 10:39:16 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("The Arabic call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." punk in chief)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.


81 posted on 08/22/2010 10:40:13 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("The Arabic call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." punk in chief)
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To: sunmars; markomalley
basically what happened from what i understand watching what they were up to is that the Obamabots and Obama’s campaign workers basically overtook DU and ran rough shot over anyone pro hillary and did not worship obama, it became an extension of Obama’s campaign and his mouthpiece.

As such everyone else left disgusted as dissent against Obama became forbidden.

Same thing happened over at The Daily Kos. It happened very quickly.

82 posted on 08/22/2010 10:40:43 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Balding_Eagle; Las Vegas Ron

Life After People is an interstesting show.
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I saw it, liked it so much I bought it. That is fascinating and very well done. I’ve seen it several times.


83 posted on 08/22/2010 10:42:07 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("The Arabic call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." punk in chief)
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To: mojitojoe

I’m going to have to add that show to my buy list...everytime it’s on the tube I end up missing it somehow.


84 posted on 08/22/2010 11:11:09 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (People I know have papers for their mongrels.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

It’s really fascinating. I think you’ll like it.


85 posted on 08/22/2010 11:37:46 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("The Arabic call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." punk in chief)
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To: mojitojoe

It does look good, I’ve seen the previews but always seem to end up missing the show.

Story of my life! LOL


86 posted on 08/22/2010 11:42:18 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (People I know have papers for their mongrels.)
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To: wally_bert; SunkenCiv; TheOldLady; Southack

Thanks, guys.

The collectivist busybodies are getting under everybody’s skin. We let them get away with too much for too long.

Hitting the Reset button is gonna have more serious consequences this time, since the Busybodies are like a runaway train, at this point.

It could get ugly.


87 posted on 08/22/2010 3:10:41 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: markomalley

The few things I have noticed when looking at DU is that they are always angry, they use curse words as if it were a second language, they constantly insult one another and call each other trolls. As for core values, they are very much pro Palestinian, anti Israel, they despise the military and they hate any religion that isn’t Islam. They also believe in robbing Peter to pay Paulie.


88 posted on 08/22/2010 3:37:56 PM PDT by eaglestar
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To: TheOldLady; Westbrook; AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; ...
Thanks TheOldLady, I'd have to hunt that up, and it's not mine (I stole it fair and square from another FReeper), but since we do need it:

/nailed

And thanks Westbrook for #10. :')
89 posted on 08/22/2010 6:54:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("The bad jazz a cat blows wails long after he's cut out." -- Lord Buckley)
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Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...

90 posted on 08/22/2010 7:04:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("The bad jazz a cat blows wails long after he's cut out." -- Lord Buckley)
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To: Arrowhead1952

91 posted on 08/23/2010 4:01:27 AM PDT by TheOldLady (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: TheOldLady

Thanks. That fits perfectly.


92 posted on 08/23/2010 8:55:09 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Remember in November. Clean the house on Nov. 2. / Progressive is a PC word for liberal democrat.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

You’re welcome. :-)


93 posted on 08/23/2010 9:03:18 AM PDT by TheOldLady (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: Moose4

low points on FR have been when they did purges of people, e.g., those who were backing the ‘wrong’ Republican candidates in the primaries.
more room to discuss and disagree is better.


94 posted on 08/23/2010 7:53:33 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: WOSG

“I am starting to think that much more radical change is necessary.”

really? what ever do you mean by that?


95 posted on 11/03/2010 1:41:13 AM PDT by echomike23
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