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Facts are in short supply, Politicians latching onto Islamic center fracas
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | August 22, 2010 | Stephan Salisbury

Posted on 08/22/2010 6:55:19 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The first thing that must be said about the mosque at ground zero is that it is not just a mosque, and it is not at ground zero. Facts matter, and they seem to be in short supply in this ugly fight.

And why should the construction of a house of worship in America become a full-blown national controversy?

Here we come to the key fallacy driving these fights - the "big lie," to use Hitler's term for a falsehood so preposterous that it goes unchallenged. In this instance, the lie is that Muslims attacked America in the name of Islam.

The U.S. government bears much of the responsibility for propagating this myth in the wake of 9/11. It allowed - indeed, encouraged - the view that a political attack carried out by a tiny group of radical terrorists was, in fact, an attack on America on behalf of all Muslims in the name of Islam. This was the argument disseminated by al-Qaeda itself. Hence, the federal government was in the curious position of promoting al-Qaeda's propaganda.

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1 posted on 08/22/2010 6:55:23 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

As soon as I see that a story is from the Philly Stinky, I turn away.

“House of worship”

Yeah, like the terrorist training camps are just “summer camp.”


2 posted on 08/22/2010 6:58:01 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Efffffff U

philthydelphia enquirer.

here are the facts, dooooooshbags

No Mosque at Ground Zero

3 posted on 08/22/2010 7:01:10 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

what is true is that building a mosque no matter what they call it..is a sign of conquest. non muslims are lower than dogs..just attended a party this weekend that included a US daughter converted to islam by her iranian husband. She was so disrespectful to her mom i could not believe my ears.The mother said she was moving our of her own home to get away from them. this is the new improved Islam


4 posted on 08/22/2010 7:01:49 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The first thing that must be said about the mosque at ground zero is that it is not just a mosque, and it is not at ground zero.

Yep. It's a super-mosque and more. And it's one entire block from where WTC7 burned and collapsed on 9/11.

5 posted on 08/22/2010 7:02:22 AM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Not the Ground Zero?? I guess Auschwitz area is not sacred either. Just that part with ovens, maybe... Maybe not even that.


6 posted on 08/22/2010 7:02:40 AM PDT by alecqss
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Yeah I see he got his AP talking points memo...


7 posted on 08/22/2010 7:02:46 AM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Here we come to the key fallacy driving these fights - the "big lie," to use Hitler's term for a falsehood so preposterous that it goes unchallenged.

The PI is equating anyone who opposes the ground zero mosque with Nazis.
8 posted on 08/22/2010 7:04:34 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Facts matter, and they seem to be in short supply in this ugly fight.

Ugly? Ugly for you side, Inquirer. I wouldn't characterize the "fight" as ugly at all. The reason it has to be fought; now, that's ugly.

As for the assertion that "facts matter," so sanctimoniously asserted by this phony organ of the main-stream media, well, I guess some facts matter more than others. I can think of a whole bunch of facts about this President, and this administration, that the public has been told over and over don't matter at all.

9 posted on 08/22/2010 7:08:37 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, has highlighted Geller associate John Joseph Jay as "truly vicious." According to the center, Jay wrote in his (all-lowercase) blog: "if islam kills non-believers as a matter of religious doctrine, then why should muslims expect to be free of retribution in the name of those islam kills?"

Well, Mr. Salsbury. You know what is said about anybody that uses the SPLC as an authority on who the haters are. You must really think we are gullible to not realize that everybody is on to their act.

The degree of separation is also a nice touch. So Geller's associate said something provocative, according to a group who's "facts are often in short supply"? And we're supposed to take you seriously why?

10 posted on 08/22/2010 7:09:50 AM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
With out-of-control PC crap, and sensitivities to even sneeze wrong, it is amazingly tone deaf for the head cheese Imam to a) build so close to ground zero, b) name this "facility" after another Islamic conquest (Cordoba), c) do the ground breaking on 9/11, and d) likely being funded by enemies of the US.

In addition, an entire wing is supposed to study how best to implement (impose) Shari'a Law - this is a subtle way of taking over our judicial system in incremental steps (just ask Louisiana how that's going. This is not a "place of worship" although there will be Mosque-like prayer rooms, etc.

It is a passive-aggressive form of sedition, using the protections we offer as a toe-hold. When does religious freedom stop when practicing that religion calls for the overthrow of the the government and subjugation of all citizens to fall in line with one religion which does not guarantee the other freedoms we enjoy?

11 posted on 08/22/2010 7:10:58 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Wonder what this Democrat propagandists pretending to be a “Journalist” would say if the American Nazi party was building their HQ next door to the Holocaust museum in DC
12 posted on 08/22/2010 7:11:08 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Holy cow. This lying dirtbag is forgetting that we lived thru the attack and the aftermath and know that his every word is a BIG LIE.


13 posted on 08/22/2010 7:23:25 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: SERKIT

“Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are not tolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society...then the tolerant will be destroyed and tolerance with them. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.”

—Karl Popper


14 posted on 08/22/2010 7:26:37 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The first thing that must be said about the mosque at ground zero is that it is not just a mosque, and it is not at ground zero The landing gear from one of the planes crashed through the roof--rendering the building unusable. That's "ground zero" enough for me.
15 posted on 08/22/2010 7:27:03 AM PDT by Right Wingnut 2
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To: Mojave

It’s actually a part of Ground Zero since a piece of landing gear from one of the planes fell into it.


16 posted on 08/22/2010 7:41:33 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.”

—Karl Popper

Nice - thanks!

17 posted on 08/22/2010 7:47:04 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If one bolt from one of the jets, or one piece of paper from the buildings landed there, it’s Ground Zero.


18 posted on 08/22/2010 7:55:39 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What kind of idiot would write such a stupid article? Hopefully not a well paid one.


19 posted on 08/22/2010 8:01:27 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
In inconvenient "fact"...

We don't need any more of the AP's "facts". We learned all we need to know about Islam on 9/11.

20 posted on 08/22/2010 8:36:52 AM PDT by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: alecqss

“Not the Ground Zero?? I guess Auschwitz area is not sacred either. Just that part with ovens, maybe... Maybe not even that.”

I say if Ground Zero and Auschwitz are not sacred then neither is that ugly black rock in Mecca. We need to speak a language they might understand.


21 posted on 08/22/2010 9:51:24 AM PDT by Bluebeard16
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