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The baby boomers and the price of personal freedom
The Guardian ^ | 22 August 2010 | Will Hutton

Posted on 08/22/2010 1:07:34 PM PDT by Publius804

The baby boomers. Born between 1945 and 1955, they are busy ignoring the biblical calculus that a man's span is three score years and 10. Having enjoyed a life of free love, free school meals, free universities, defined benefit pensions, mainly full employment and a 40-year-long housing boom, they are bequeathing their children sky-high house prices, debts and shrivelled pensions. A 60-year-old in 2010 is a very privileged and lucky human being – an object of resentment as much as admiration.

I'm at the heart of all of it – guilty as charged. Born 21 May 1950, I'm the quintessential baby boomer. And for the last three months, while most of the rest of the world has been getting on with their lives, I've been wrestling with the implications of my new seniority. Sixty may or may not be the new 50, but it is a significant milestone; I've been on the planet for an awfully long time. What sense can I make of the decades I have lived through? To what extent am I and my generation unfairly lucky? What is the best way to live my life from now on?

To a degree I have some sympathy with the resentment, marshalled in a cluster of recent anti-boomer books. Individually, we may not have been the authors of today's flux, uncertainty and lack of social and cultural anchors, but we were at the scene of the crime. The cultural, economic and institutional cornerstones of British life have been shattered – and the way our love of fun was channelled is undoubtedly part of the story. The upside is that some of the old stifling prohibitions and prejudices have gone, hopefully for ever.

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KEYWORDS: boomers; hippies; sixties
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1 posted on 08/22/2010 1:07:41 PM PDT by Publius804
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To: qam1

Ping!


2 posted on 08/22/2010 1:09:19 PM PDT by Publius804 (Buckle up - with Obama at the controls it's gonna be a bumpy ride. God help us.)
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To: Publius804

I thought the baby boom was 46 to 64. Matter of definition, obviously.


4 posted on 08/22/2010 1:14:35 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Publius804

What total, self-serving, unmitigated, whiney, HORSESHIT!


5 posted on 08/22/2010 1:14:55 PM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: Publius804

>The upside is that some of the old stifling prohibitions and prejudices have gone, hopefully for ever.

Those unnamed prejudices stifled what exactly?

Fantasy.


6 posted on 08/22/2010 1:15:05 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Publius804
The baby boomers. Born between 1945 and 1955,

The guy is an idiot, the boomer generation is those people born from 1946 to 1964.

7 posted on 08/22/2010 1:16:25 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: RachelFaith
When the Apocalypse happens, shoot anyone over 50 on sight.

Hey! Not so quick on the trigger!

8 posted on 08/22/2010 1:16:45 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: dljordan
What total, self-serving, unmitigated, whiney, HORSESHIT!

Yep. Typical boomer, down to attributing significance to boomer pop music.

9 posted on 08/22/2010 1:17:05 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: Steely Tom
I thought the baby boom was 46 to 64. Matter of definition, obviously.

You are correct, check government documents and Federal definitions.

10 posted on 08/22/2010 1:17:46 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Pearls Before Swine

LOL!

OK, if they have a FR screen name and own a firearm, they are the few good guys.

Shoot the rest.


11 posted on 08/22/2010 1:18:13 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: Publius804

We make up a good percentage of tea partiers too.


12 posted on 08/22/2010 1:19:12 PM PDT by abigail2
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To: RachelFaith
When the Apocalypse happens, shoot anyone over 50 on sight.

I was going to say, "when the apocalypse happens, shoot anyone named RachelFaith." :-)

13 posted on 08/22/2010 1:19:12 PM PDT by meyer (Our own government has become our enemy,...)
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To: Publius804

Ya know? Boomers have paid more into the system and have received less than any generation.

I dont understand why everyone hates my generation.


14 posted on 08/22/2010 1:19:16 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: ErnBatavia

You gotta see this one,


15 posted on 08/22/2010 1:21:00 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Nobody reads tag lines.)
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To: Publius804
There are many fine, upstanding people born within this time period who basically did everything right. One doesn't want to paint with too broad a brush and imply that all Baby Boomers are bad people.

But I think western society went through a long rough patch in the 20th century. WWI was really devastating, and although the 1920's were a bit of fun, the Depression in the 1930's, and WWII were horrific times. Afterwords, the older people were very happy to settle down into dullness and some meager level of material enjoyment. And who could blame them?

But too many of the young people understood nothing of what had gone before. They wanted freedom. They wanted to escape any sense of responsibility. Let's live it up! That world the older folks think is just fine is really all wrong -- let's start making changes!

It's not like dark days will ever come back again, eh? I said -- it's not like the dark days will come back; right?

Right?

16 posted on 08/22/2010 1:21:05 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: RachelFaith

“When the Apocalypse happens, shoot anyone over 50 on sight.”
Don’t blame all the baby boomers - and don’t make childish threats.


17 posted on 08/22/2010 1:21:24 PM PDT by dainbramaged (If you want a friend, get a dog.)
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To: Publius804
♫People tend to put us down♪ talking bout the geritol generation♪

♫J..jj..Just because we are around♪♪

18 posted on 08/22/2010 1:23:12 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: Steely Tom
I thought the baby boom was 46 to 64. Matter of definition, obviously

Post WW2 when troops started coming home and impregnating their wives, that would make it '46 when the babies started coming.. I was born in 45.

19 posted on 08/22/2010 1:24:21 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Nobody reads tag lines.)
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To: RachelFaith

If you want to look at the destruction of Western Civilization, then look to 1935 to 1975 when the end of our nation was legislated, and decided, and it’s decline probably made irreversible.

By the time the boomers started coming into power in the late 1980s, they were an improvement over the Warren Courts, The Great Society, the Vietnam, the New Deal, forced integration, forced busing, NOW, the ACLU, the unionized government workers, the 1965 immigration act, affirmative action.

As bad as things are today, boomers have slowed the worst of the left’s damage and America has moved to the right.

Many people of all ages hope that boomer Sarah Palin can keep the trend going.


20 posted on 08/22/2010 1:25:47 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Jeff Chandler

“Yep. Typical boomer, down to attributing significance to boomer pop music.”

I’m sorry, due to attending too many rock concerts in the 60’s and 70’s I don’t quite follow what you’re saying.


21 posted on 08/22/2010 1:26:27 PM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: RachelFaith
OK, if they have a FR screen name and own a firearm, they are the few good guys.

Well that's a relief (y.o.b. 1963)

22 posted on 08/22/2010 1:26:41 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Publius804
Oh goody! The great Generational Warfare Game!

Having enjoyed a life of free love,

Hmmm, it was my "Greatest Generation" (as definied by an avowed socialist) parents who bought into Kinsey and got divorced by 1960...

free school meals, free universities,

Seems to me I had to borrow and pay. Did they? Not a dime. Hell, they even got to deduct their credit card interest!

defined benefit pensions,

Wanna bet? My "Greatest Generation" parents got those. Not me. But my wife and I sure as hell paid $20K a year in Social Security and MediCare benefits to my "Greatest Generation" parents.

mainly full employment

Not hardly. Remember the Carter bust right after they graduated? How about Bush I's wondrous recession?

and a 40-year-long housing boom,

Of which the "Greatest Generation" were more beneficiaries than we. Oh, and who was it who was screaming about killing Social Security when Bush II tried to privatize it? It sure as hell wasn't boomers.

they are bequeathing their children sky-high house prices,

Seems to me those prices crashed fairly recently and are pretty low right now, just when we were ready to pay it off and after paying at historically high interest rates for decades until recently. I remember paying 13% for my construction loan, plus six points. Did the "Greatest Generation" have to do that?

debts and shrivelled pensions.

Yeah, look whose pension is shriveled now. We probably have a better chance of having our 401-k confiscated than realizing a benefit.

The "Greatest Generation" had their chance to fix this mess during the Eisenhower administration and jail those Roosevelt commies for good. They didn't do it. Instead they allowed the Cultural Marxists to educate their children and we've all paid the price.

23 posted on 08/22/2010 1:27:28 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: mylife

It was our parents who started all the free stuff. We weren’t even old enough to vote for most of it. And what generation backed Social Security? Wasn’t ours.


24 posted on 08/22/2010 1:27:30 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: RachelFaith

I know you are joking about the over 50 thing.

But seriously, anyone coming at my Koren War Vet father better have a tactical nuke. Even cancer ridden, I’ll place money on his survival over theirs.


26 posted on 08/22/2010 1:28:21 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Buy Ammo Often)
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To: Carry_Okie

Well said.


27 posted on 08/22/2010 1:28:44 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: RachelFaith

We seasoned citizens may have done more prep in case TSHTF. Good luck on acquiring your target first.


28 posted on 08/22/2010 1:28:52 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: DJ MacWoW

No fooling.

All we ever got was to PAY for it.


29 posted on 08/22/2010 1:29:34 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: Publius804
geez
30 posted on 08/22/2010 1:29:37 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Publius804
"a life of free love, free school meals, free universities, defined benefit pensions"

Hey, I was born in 1945 and I missed all that. Went to war during the "free love" phase, don't believe in free lunches, missed out on the free universities, worked all my life (mostly self-employed) and got no pension to show for it. Will work until I die.

31 posted on 08/22/2010 1:29:49 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I spent 6 years in the US Submarine fleet and never even got the GI bill for cripes sake.


32 posted on 08/22/2010 1:30:40 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: Jim Robinson
Will work until I die.

Amen!

33 posted on 08/22/2010 1:31:02 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Jim Robinson
Will work until I die.

And (I might add) I wouldn't want it any other way.

34 posted on 08/22/2010 1:31:47 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Publius804

A major problem with article is that it neglect to take into acount that much of the damage was done by Hoover, FDR, and Carter. Not many of the Baby Boomers were old enough to have done anything about that.

Most of todays problems with economy stem from Carter years when the home financing problem actually began. And don’t forget that Obama himself was involved in pressing the banks to make risky loans to low income people.


35 posted on 08/22/2010 1:32:40 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: TheWriterTX

Yeah. Besides, it’s gonna be the libs who are unarmed anyway.

But, it seems my post did hit a nerve of a few thin skinned Boomers around here.

No sense of humor.

HAHAHAHA


36 posted on 08/22/2010 1:33:02 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: Steely Tom; Publius804
I thought the baby boom was 46 to 64. Matter of definition, obviously.

I was born in 1961. What do I have in common with someone born in 1946? Vietnam was over before I was a teenager.

37 posted on 08/22/2010 1:35:26 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: mylife
Now that the commies are in charge because of our parents, we will not reap the "benefits" and we'll keep paying as will our children.......and we'll get blamed for all of it.

Post 14: I dont understand why everyone hates my generation.

Generational warfare so that the children will cheer when Obamacare kills us. Hate the rich. Hate the old. And the kids buy it.

38 posted on 08/22/2010 1:35:40 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: mylife

I have an uncle who was Air Force during WWII. He was a lifer. He got scratch too. They lied to everyone.


39 posted on 08/22/2010 1:37:17 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: RachelFaith

Whew! I feel better. :)


40 posted on 08/22/2010 1:37:49 PM PDT by Prov3456
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To: Carry_Okie

Nicely done, and spot on.


41 posted on 08/22/2010 1:38:10 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: CynicalBear
Hear hear!

Ans will you accept my apology for being grumpy the other day? I am truly sorry.

42 posted on 08/22/2010 1:38:44 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Yep. Typical boomer, down to attributing significance to boomer pop music.

The only boomers that I saw in that long list of musicians were a few band members.

Just about all the major young people of the 1960s, and the 1960s icons who we can name, were not boomers.

43 posted on 08/22/2010 1:40:16 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: DJ MacWoW

Sigh....


44 posted on 08/22/2010 1:40:47 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: RachelFaith

Bite me. I’m sick of boomer bashing. The “Greatest Generation” broke the piggy bank (SS and Medicare) and Johnsons “Great Society”. THEY were in charge when we lost Vietnam ( the people in charge of WW2 were from the Victorian age). Millions of boomers served honorably in Vietnam. Millions more volunteered and manned the military during the rest of the Cold War. The vast majority of us worked hard and raised our families. So again, bite me.


45 posted on 08/22/2010 1:41:04 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Publius804

I’m 53 and life is good. Retired from the federal government earlier this year, got a new private-sector career. I don’t know if Social Security or Medicare will be around in their current forms when I reach eligibility age, but I won’t need them — already executed plans for alternatives.


46 posted on 08/22/2010 1:41:55 PM PDT by Poundstone (A recent Federal retiree and proud of it!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I was born in 1961. What do I have in common with someone born in 1946? Vietnam was over before I was a teenager.

What do you have in common with your fellow boomer, Barrack Obama, or a heavy accented Hispanic boomer, born in and still living in a little Hispanic town by the border and still doing grunge work?

47 posted on 08/22/2010 1:44:43 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Paleo Conservative

You don’t. You are close, but you probably have more in common with the Gen Xers. The definitive book on the subject, “Generations: The History of America’s Future, 1584 to 2069” by Neil Howe and William Strauss defines the baby boomer generation as being born between 1943 and 1960.


48 posted on 08/22/2010 1:46:57 PM PDT by Controlling Legal Authority
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To: RachelFaith

I was born in 1961 and fell the same as you about boomers and/or yuppies. Being the youngest of that generation I fell mistreated by them and they deserve every bullet.


49 posted on 08/22/2010 1:48:20 PM PDT by TOneocon (The reason there is so much poverty is because of the uneven distribution of capitalism...Rush)
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To: RachelFaith

They might shoot YOU first !


50 posted on 08/22/2010 1:49:03 PM PDT by Renegade
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