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Some Maryland stores selling banned dish detergent
abc2news.com ^ | 20 Aug 2010 | Joce Sterman

Posted on 08/22/2010 10:34:20 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Baltimore - A ban that's designed to protect the Chesapeake Bay from a dangerous pollutant went into effect more than a month ago and you may not even noticed. That ban impacts the detergent we all use in our dishwashers. ABC2 News Investigator Joce Sterman explains what's been cut out of the cleaning product and where we found banned items out for sale.

She's got kids, a career and still has to make time to do those households chores. It's obvious Lutherville’s Jenny Atwater is a busy mom with plenty on her plate. She says, “I hate unloading the dishwasher and I really hate unloading the dishwasher and seeing the dishes seem not very clean."

But Atwater has noticed that’s been happening a lot lately. She tells us, "I do notice there tends to be more stuff left with this detergent, just stuff that normally would have been washed away probably."

The dish detergent she's talking about is phosphate free. Jenny made the switch a few months, and chances are so did you, although you probably didn’t even notice. Jenn Aiosa with the Chesapeake Bay Foundation says, "The average consumer doesn't know."

Marylanders may not be aware that automatic dishwasher detergents with phosphorus are now banned in this state and more than a dozen others. The ban is thanks to a law put in place to help get rid of one of the biggest pollutants in the Chesapeake Bay. Aiosa explains, "It's really something that's relatively easy in the grand scheme of things for consumers to do but can have an impact."

The impact is something you should already be seeing on store shelves, but it took awhile to put this plan in place. Dennis Griesing with the American Cleaning Institute says, "It was a significant undertaking."

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: dishwasher; environment; phosphates; soap
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I need a new dishwasher. Am I going to have to buy one of those $800 jobs with the steam cleaning to have clean dishes now?
1 posted on 08/22/2010 10:34:24 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

You are a peasant. Your lords wish you to starve. Cleaning dishes will not be a problem for long.


2 posted on 08/22/2010 10:37:07 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: smokingfrog
I am sure that now that the folks are going without dishwasher detergent that works, we will soon see a host of articles telling us that the Bay is totally back to normal thanks to the sacrifice.

Well, I can dream can't I? Has anything we have ever done to fix perceived pollution ever done any good? I have yet to see an article that does anything but tell me I must sacrifice even more.

3 posted on 08/22/2010 10:39:32 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe
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To: smokingfrog

Don’t know about the dishwashers, but steer clear of one of those HE washing machines. They are a major pain. I’m forever trying to wipe the gasket and run vinegar or ammonia or clorox through it to prevent smelly clothes. Some of the earlier versions don’t drain properly.


4 posted on 08/22/2010 10:39:55 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch ( T.G., global warming denier.)
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To: MrEdd

5 posted on 08/22/2010 10:41:06 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: smokingfrog
So do I need to now make a run on Sam's Club to stockpile the dish detergent with the phosphates in it, before Barry The Bastard Boy has it yanked from the shelves at great financial loss to the producers?
6 posted on 08/22/2010 10:41:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

I think that would be a wise decision. Maybe make a midnight run to MD to sell some bootleg soap.


7 posted on 08/22/2010 10:43:39 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: smokingfrog
Some Maryland stores selling banned dish detergent

Isn't that illegal?

8 posted on 08/22/2010 10:43:40 PM PDT by Libloather (Teapublican, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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I can’t find a decent in candescent light bulb, just these poison spewing curly duds. What’s next, Barry, you sonofabitch?


9 posted on 08/22/2010 10:43:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: smokingfrog

Hmmm, you’re giving me ideas!


10 posted on 08/22/2010 10:44:33 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: smokingfrog

Actually, I don’t know that the stuff classifies as soap ... but it does have a slippery feel to it, and an hydroxide odor.


11 posted on 08/22/2010 10:45:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: smokingfrog
Use paper plates and cups, plastic utensils.
12 posted on 08/22/2010 10:47:04 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Chump Obama promised "Change" and we got chump change.)
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To: smokingfrog

I live in se WA, a state that also bans phosphates. Recently there was a news story here about some women from Spokane who drive over to ID to get the banned stuff. They don’t think phosphate free detergents clean all that well, so they have become scofflaws.


13 posted on 08/22/2010 10:47:18 PM PDT by Robwin
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Someone mentioned not too long ago that you could use vinegar in the dishwasher. I wonder, what viscous liquid would go well with vinegar that would rinse away? I know! A touch of shampoo! ... But wait, that will prompt the commie Kenyan Klown to ban soap in shampoos then. ... Just can’t win with commies and nazis.


14 posted on 08/22/2010 10:47:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: smokingfrog
"I think that would be a wise decision. Maybe make a midnight run to MD to sell some bootleg soap."

LOL. I read that at one time in South Florida that the freon-12 smugglers were making more money than the drug smugglers.

15 posted on 08/22/2010 10:48:15 PM PDT by blam
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I dust mine off and re use them.

Butt I am picky about my toilet paper.


16 posted on 08/22/2010 10:49:44 PM PDT by Global2010 (I don't want to comment on that I'll let the other geniuses do that..James Caan)
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To: MHGinTN

I found some of these at Lowes the other day.

# Mercury Free
# Dimmable
# Instant on

Just like the old standard bulbs used to be but they cost twice as much!

17 posted on 08/22/2010 10:50:02 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: smokingfrog

Just use paper and plastic, when you’re done throw it out. Or better still - just burn it.


18 posted on 08/22/2010 10:53:37 PM PDT by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: smokingfrog

make home soap...but I Bet You know that. Recipe.


19 posted on 08/22/2010 10:54:14 PM PDT by Global2010 (I don't want to comment on that I'll let the other geniuses do that..James Caan)
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To: smokingfrog

But DNA has phosphates in it..... These people are against DNA!!!!


20 posted on 08/22/2010 10:55:50 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: smokingfrog
Let's see how long before Bosch, GE, LG, and Whirlpool come up with dishwashers that clean very well with non-phosphate detergents. After all, the washing machine manufacturers were able to switch to High Efficiency (HE) detergent support, so given modern computer design they could come up with a such a dishwasher.
21 posted on 08/22/2010 10:57:56 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

” but steer clear of one of those HE washing machines. They are a major pain. “

My Kenmore Elite HE is excellent.


22 posted on 08/22/2010 11:07:55 PM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

I just looked up HE washing machines and dishwashers. Apparently both need extra cleaning or unwelcome odors occur. We’ve never had to clean the inside of our old dishwasher. Using the hot cycle probably has something to do with it. So much for saving the environment when one has to use water just to clean an empty dishwasher, not to mention re-washing dishes.


23 posted on 08/22/2010 11:10:50 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: smokingfrog

Go to The Dollar Tree and get the old ones for $1 a box. Name brands like Sylvania :>}


24 posted on 08/22/2010 11:12:00 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: smokingfrog

I live on Long Island. About thirty-odd years ago the Suffolk County Legislature passed a similar ban. It eventually went away when it was found that the phosphates didn’t show up in our waterways or our water supply.
More politicians with a lot more time on their hands than common sense in their heads!


25 posted on 08/22/2010 11:17:20 PM PDT by rex regnum insanit (falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus)
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To: smokingfrog

Stay away from anything Maytag. I need a new one too, but haven’t started looking yet. I need one that lasts more than three years.


26 posted on 08/22/2010 11:19:22 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

Oh no! I had my eye on a Maytag Jetclean.

My current, broken-down one is a Jenn-Air that’s already been repaired once, leaked and ruined my new floor, and the racks are rusting-out.


27 posted on 08/22/2010 11:31:03 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: beaversmom

Unknown secret.

Electrolux.


28 posted on 08/22/2010 11:36:33 PM PDT by Global2010 (I don't want to comment on that I'll let the other geniuses do that..James Caan)
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To: smokingfrog
Some Maryland stores selling banned dish detergent

Now this is a crisis.

29 posted on 08/22/2010 11:36:50 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: smokingfrog
Ah don't need no soap:


30 posted on 08/22/2010 11:48:39 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: smokingfrog

I am the dishwasher. What I can’t handle the dogs usually can.


31 posted on 08/23/2010 2:34:24 AM PDT by brooklin
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
steer clear of one of those HE washing machines

We've had a Samsung for over a year. It does a great job. Just leave the door open after washing to let it dry out. No problem with smell. Never wiped the gasket or used any cleaners.

32 posted on 08/23/2010 3:00:37 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: smokingfrog

The Chesapeake Bay is already on it’s last legs, thanks to Chicken Poop used to fertilise fields, No till grass killers used in farming. Sewage from over flowing treatment plants, too many houses built on the water, Waste from cats and dogs being discharged into storm sewers which aren’t treated, from Baltimore, Washington DC, Richmond.

The crabs are dying out , the oysters are already dead or dying.

In my youth if I got a bad cut. my mother would take me down to the river and let me swim for a while, and the sore would heal. Now if you have an open sore and you get close to the river you couls lose your arm.

I live on the Potomac and am afraid to let my Grandchildren get in the river. Watermen here have lost their infected fingers and some have been hospitalise from getting a cut from the crab pots. I had to go on antibiotics myself from a cut while fishing my pots.


33 posted on 08/23/2010 3:33:43 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: smokingfrog

I have a very basic Bosch dishwasher, purchased new 5 years ago when we built the house. It freaked me out for a week because it was so quiet, I was constantly checking to make sure it was working!

Until recently it washed dishes beautifully. No gunk, leftover bits or film. But because I read the post here on FR about phosphates being removed from detergent I noticed when Cascade phased it out of the box I buy at Sam’s. Since then I’ve noticed a film on the dishes and more food particles left over.

I’ve yet to try the vinegar trick. It’s hard to catch the Bosh between cycles.


34 posted on 08/23/2010 4:05:05 AM PDT by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: beaversmom

My folks bought a Maytag clothes washer. Thing was a lemon, and couldn’t get service from the company. Had to replace it in a year.


35 posted on 08/23/2010 4:08:02 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Compact Theory)
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To: MHGinTN
So do I need to now make a run on Sam's Club to stockpile the dish detergent with the phosphates in it, before Barry The Bastard Boy has it yanked from the shelves at great financial loss to the producers?

Most dishwashers have an "Extra cleaner" cup on the door. When the door closes, it dumps in the extra detergent, then when it is appropriate in the cycle, the regular detergent door releases.

Go to the hardware store and buy a box of TSP, Trisodium phoshpate. Put that in the "extra Detergent" cup, and reconsitute the missing ingredient that way, or blend it with the New Earth Soap, and use as usual.

36 posted on 08/23/2010 4:11:15 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (CNN:AP:etc:Today, President Obama's stool was firm and well-formed. One end was slightly pointed. ")
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To: MHGinTN
I can’t find a decent in candescent light bulb

See if this helps: Follow the electrician-company trucks around until you find the distributor where they buy their supplies (NOT home despot or Lowes). My local one is a big old warehouse in the corner of an indistrial park. THEY have all the incandescent bulbs you can ask for.

HTH, HAND
37 posted on 08/23/2010 4:38:03 AM PDT by Peet (<- A.K.A. the Foundling)
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To: bossmechanic
My Kenmore Elite HE is excellent.

My LG lasted exactly three years and then the motor self-destructed. A common enough problem to show up on the product evaluation websites, but not common enough for LG to fix it.


38 posted on 08/23/2010 4:42:01 AM PDT by Peet (<- A.K.A. the Foundling)
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To: MHGinTN

What you’d need is a truck, a box on a chassis that is weather tight. It should be nondescript and not draw attention, you know, like an RV.

You could set up a flea market stall and sell out by noon. Or, stay home and ell from Ebay and ship every single day via USPO or UPS


39 posted on 08/23/2010 4:53:31 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
steer clear of one of those HE washing machines. They are a major pain. I’m forever trying to wipe the gasket and run vinegar or ammonia or clorox through it to prevent smelly clothes.

Tips:

Always use the HE detergent. Regular detergent creates too much suds and will cause premature machine failure.

If you have regular strength HE detergent, use 2 tablespoons.

If you have 2X, only use 1 tablespoon.

The odor you are getting is from using too much detergent. The detergent is enzyme based. If it does not get completely rinsed out, it will grow in your washer. The odor is "soap mold", much like forms in a shower.

You can buy a product from Menards, Lowes, etc. called "Affresh", it will clean the mold out.

I would avoid vinegar and ammonia as these could lead to premature failures in gaskets and seals.

40 posted on 08/23/2010 4:54:11 AM PDT by IamConservative (Two wrongs don't make a right, but you might get even.)
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To: Peet

Stoopid me, replying to my own post ‘cause I forgot: You get the “Commercial Use” bulbs at the distributors - 130-volt so use a 100W where you would usually use a 75W, but the laaaassst! I have bulbs installed 9 years ago still in service...


41 posted on 08/23/2010 4:55:53 AM PDT by Peet (<- A.K.A. the Foundling)
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To: MHGinTN
So do I need to now make a run on Sam's Club to stockpile the dish detergent with the phosphates in it.

Just go to your local Ace Hardware store and buy a box of "TSP." Trisodium Phosphate. Add a bit to your load and all will be fine.

42 posted on 08/23/2010 4:57:05 AM PDT by IamConservative (Two wrongs don't make a right, but you might get even.)
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To: smokingfrog

We have a Maytag and it is a superior machine. It cleans dishes with out precleaning and is of excellent construction with out the minor failings of other machines that died.


43 posted on 08/23/2010 4:57:39 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: Venturer
I live on the Potomac and am afraid

I was stationed in southeast D.C. in the early and mid 60s, our flight line was next to the Potomac. The shore line there was always littered with condoms and dead domestic animals - not that much different than the rest of D.C.

44 posted on 08/23/2010 4:59:38 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Nobody reads tag lines.)
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To: Gorzaloon

TSP is great stuff. We used to use it, under pressure with water, for cleaning tractors, it cut right through any kind of grease and grime.


45 posted on 08/23/2010 5:02:36 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Nobody reads tag lines.)
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To: w1andsodidwe
“Has anything we have ever done to fix perceived pollution ever done any good? I have yet to see an article that does anything but tell me I must sacrifice even more.”

Yes, a great deal of good. Lead contamination, chemical, crap in the air land and water are all manifestly better.

This is mainly because our world had become so polluted between 1845 and 1970 that the average person was very much on board with cleaning up our planet.

But the wackos who people the green movement don't do what they do out of concern for the environment. They want power over people's lives and so they scream that the sky is falling all the louder. Ever wonder where the ‘parts per million’ number that used to accompany most stories on the latest threat to human life and habitation went? They have become embarrassingly low so they are avoided. The wackos (or 'Evil ones' take your pick)have even taken to making up threats out of whole cloth to add to the considerable power they have accumulated to themselves since the first 'earth day'. Evil doesn't have a day job.

46 posted on 08/23/2010 5:07:48 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: smokingfrog

No, you will have to wash your dishes before putting them in the dishwasher, that’s all........................


47 posted on 08/23/2010 5:32:45 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: Venturer

“I live on the Potomac and am afraid to let my Grandchildren get in the river.”

I hear you. Know an old guy who fell off his pier into the Magothy. In the process, he cut his leg. Within days he had to have his leg removed. Scary $hit.


48 posted on 08/23/2010 5:34:31 AM PDT by Holen1
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To: w1andsodidwe

The enviro nutcases made us get rid of Freon in our air conditioners 20+ years ago, to “fix” the Ozone Hole.

The Freon is gone. The Ozone Hole is still here................


49 posted on 08/23/2010 5:34:55 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: MHGinTN

There’s plenty for sale in the stores down here.....maybe I just found a new line of work.
Place your orders,


50 posted on 08/23/2010 5:36:16 AM PDT by LFOD (Presently - Back in Dixie)
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