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How Fox Betrayed Petraeus
New York Times ^ | August 21st 2010 | Frank Rich

Posted on 08/23/2010 7:12:34 AM PDT by Cardhu

THE “ground zero mosque,” as you may well know by now, is not at ground zero. It’s not a mosque but an Islamic cultural center containing a prayer room. It’s not going to determine President Obama’s political future or the elections of 2010 or 2012. Still, the battle that has broken out over this project in Lower Manhattan — on the “hallowed ground” of a shuttered Burlington Coat Factory store one block from the New York Dolls Gentlemen’s Club — will prove eventful all the same. And the consequences will be far more profound than any midterm election results or any of the grand debates now raging 24/7 over the parameters of tolerance, religious freedom, and the real estate gospel of location, location, location.

Here’s what’s been lost in all the screaming. The prime movers in the campaign against the “ground zero mosque” just happen to be among the last cheerleaders for America’s nine-year war in Afghanistan. The wrecking ball they’re wielding is not merely pounding Park51, as the project is known, but is demolishing America’s already frail support for that war, which is dedicated to nation-building in a nation whose most conspicuous asset besides opium is actual mosques.

So virulent is the Islamophobic hysteria of the neocon and Fox News right — abetted by the useful idiocy of the Anti-Defamation League, Harry Reid and other cowed Democrats — that it has also rendered Gen. David Petraeus’s last-ditch counterinsurgency strategy for fighting the war inoperative. How do you win Muslim hearts and minds in Kandahar when you are calling Muslims every filthy name in the book in New York?

You’d think that American hawks invested in the Afghanistan “surge” would not act against their own professed interests. But they couldn’t stop themselves from placing cynical domestic politics over country.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: groundzero; hack; mosque; newyork; obamagroundzero; zerogroundzero
...He reports that there was zero reaction to the “ground zero mosque” from the front-line right or anyone else except marginal bloggers when The Times first reported on the Park51 plans in a lengthy front-page article on Dec. 9, 2009. The sole exception came some two weeks later at Fox News, where Laura Ingraham, filling in on “The O’Reilly Factor,” interviewed Daisy Khan, the wife of the project’s organizer, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf. Ingraham gave the plans her blessing. “I can’t find many people who really have a problem with it,” she said. “I like what you’re trying to do.”

Have at it :)

1 posted on 08/23/2010 7:12:37 AM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

That’s Rich.


2 posted on 08/23/2010 7:13:52 AM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: Cardhu

Preposterously Rich propaganda.


3 posted on 08/23/2010 7:15:17 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Character is defined by how we treat those who society says have no value.)
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To: Cardhu

At the very least, the name, Cordoba House, must be changed.

That is the first step in a good will gesture from the muslims.

It is the muslims who must show good faith for the actions of their fellow confreres, not the other way around.


4 posted on 08/23/2010 7:15:51 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Cardhu

Not “blocks away”.

560 feet.

186 yards.

Too close for comfort.


5 posted on 08/23/2010 7:16:17 AM PDT by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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To: Cardhu

Based on that editorial, I suppose the NYT is now OK with a gun store being opened across from Columbine High School.


6 posted on 08/23/2010 7:16:55 AM PDT by aimhigh (True bitter clingers cling to their guns AND their bibles.)
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To: Cardhu

HEY BIAS CORRUPT NY TIMES, it is a MOSQUE as well as a community center which I might add there is no community to serve there and there is a mosque near there anyway.

Also why not ask can anyone go to this community center like the YMCA and if women non muslims can go and swim with men, can they work out there in what they want to wear etc.

Also this strip club , well no strippers killed thousands, so what if it was a coat store, so frigging what, why try and say that to just make this a non issue.

This will hurt your messiah , even down here I know a couple who have no said that because of this they will not vote for him.

He and his wife are also saying one thing to us and another to the muslims overseas in their language.

NY times the joke of the press


7 posted on 08/23/2010 7:18:03 AM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Cardhu

Oh so now the NYT is following the AP’s lead that it’s really not a “Ground Zero” mosque?

The puppeteers must have worked overtime this weekend


8 posted on 08/23/2010 7:18:38 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (NO MOS-que AP: It's the "GROUND ZERO MOSQUE")
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To: Cardhu


So this is a picture of a landing gear part from one of the 9-11 aircraft in the future site of the mosque at ground zero. So, New York Times, as you know this mosque is at ground zero. The FAA has not rented it to use as storage.
9 posted on 08/23/2010 7:19:25 AM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: Cardhu
THE “ground zero mosque,” as you may well know by now, is not at ground zero. It’s not a mosque but an Islamic cultural center containing a prayer room.

Ahh, the classic "keep telling a lie until it is accepted as the truth" trick.

10 posted on 08/23/2010 7:19:48 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

jourNOlists have met and drawn their new lies to cover for islam and their messiah


11 posted on 08/23/2010 7:19:52 AM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Cardhu
Well as usual the ignorantly bigoted Left, as represented by Frank Rich, construct a fraudulent straw man and then demand everyone debate on their terms. Sorry Frank why you have to lie to frame the debate to suit your emotion based dogmas, you lose at the start.

There is a mosque 5 blocks away. There is UTTERLY no rational reason for a Mosque here. It is a form of "hate speech". It is sole purpose to inflame and divide.

If, as the sponsors of this monster claim, it is "to promote diversity and tolerance" then they would MOVE the thing because of the harshly negative reaction it provokes in the vast majority of people.

That they refuse to do that show it is NOT about "Diversity" but about the symbolic value of the location.

12 posted on 08/23/2010 7:20:23 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: aimhigh
"Based on that editorial, I suppose the NYT is now OK with a gun store being opened across from Columbine High School."

Or a Catholic Church and a Jewish Synagogue at that rock they call mecca. I'm sure that wouldn't get the muzzie panties in a twist, would it?

13 posted on 08/23/2010 7:20:23 AM PDT by libs_kma (DEMOCRATS, HOT TAR AND FEATHERS. SOME ASSEMBLY REQUIRED.)
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To: A_Former_Democrat
Not all news outlets are following AP’s demand.
I heard a CBS radio report this morning using the phrase...
14 posted on 08/23/2010 7:21:15 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Cardhu
They are quite welcome to go home to their backwards, 3rd world $hithole countries and build all the mosques and tributes to their moon god that they want.

Misogynism in the name of religion doesn't fly here - nor do we want anything to do with these backward pukes and their form of "law"!

15 posted on 08/23/2010 7:21:23 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Cardhu
it has also rendered Gen. David Petraeus’s last-ditch counterinsurgency strategy for fighting the war inoperative. How do you win Muslim hearts and minds in Kandahar when you are calling Muslims every filthy name in the book in New York?

Here's Frank Rich's logic:

Islam is a religion of peace.

Our military is fighting against radical Islam.

Using our right to free speech protesting the mosque makes the members of this religion of peace angry.

The members of this religion of peace will respond to our exercising our right to self-determination by fighting our military...which is fighting against radical Islam.

Don't think you thought this one through, Frank.

16 posted on 08/23/2010 7:22:26 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown. -- written by Robert Towne)
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To: Cardhu
THE “ground zero mosque,” as you may well know by now, is not at ground zero.

And the New York Giants aren't in New York, and the Sea-Tac Enterprise Rent-a-Car is not at Sea-Tac. How's this for a workable definition? A radius based on the longest shadow made by the original Twin Towers?
17 posted on 08/23/2010 7:22:31 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Cardhu

Related;
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/23/2010-08-23_scary_fanatics_like_newt_make_it_an_ugly_debate.html


18 posted on 08/23/2010 7:23:20 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Cardhu
The mosque and Ground Zero is not a mosque and is not at ground zero.

Ok, but they want to play that caterwauling 5 times a day, oh but it is not a mosque. They are praying there now 5 times a day, oh but it is not a mosque.

The building was damaged by one of the planes in the 911 attack, but it is not at ground zero.

Leftism is a mental disorder. As usual, the Left suppants fact and reality with make believe wishful thinking. Thank God not all people are inflicted with Chamberlain's disease.


19 posted on 08/23/2010 7:26:49 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: conservativeharleyguy

The mere fact that a large piece of one of the hijacked aircraft ended up crashing through the roof of the building makes it Ground Zero, period.

A huge difference between the beliefs of Christians and Muslims is that to Christians it’s a sin to tell a lie. Telling the truth is one of the fruits of the Spirit. OTHO, Muslims use lies as a pillar of their faith. They are taught from an early age that it’s perfectly acceptable to lie through your teeth if it advances your cause.

Don’t listen to what they say, watch what they do. As my Mom was fond of saying “Actions speak louder than words!” Amen.

I don’t recall the specifics, but I do remember an example of their willingness to lie to further their goal. In this instance they called for negotiations with an enemy, agreed to a cease fire, and when the enemy showed up, under a white flag, they were slaughtered. I don’t need to know much more than that about the bastards to know that nothing they say can be trusted or believed.

I agree with you, “Too close for comfort.” The fact is regardless of what they call it, it would be a trophy mosque for them, and haters of America would flock to it just to know they were poking a finger in the eye of America and especially the 3,000 plus families who still grieve for loved ones murdered that day.

It’s not like we have to trust what Muslims say about their intent. There are numerous European countries that fell for their BS, and no amount of MFM spin can prevent us from seeing and understanding the consequences. And they are feeding us the same line of BS. We have no one to blame but ourselves if we call prey to it.

The battle lines are drawn, and even if the Left doesn’t comprehend the danger we’re in, it’s real,very real!


20 posted on 08/23/2010 7:31:03 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: Slump Tester
Misogynism in the name of religion doesn't fly here

Dont't tell that to the Pope he would be upset. Just when he is witch hunting the nuns and playing Sgt Schultz to the bad boys.

21 posted on 08/23/2010 7:33:16 AM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu


How Fox Betrayed Petraeus
New York Times ^ | August 21st 2010 | Frank Rich

The glory of the First Amendment at work.
You can “spot the looney” like Frank Rich because they have the freedom
to out themselves in public.


22 posted on 08/23/2010 7:38:40 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Cardhu

Where’s the barf alert?


23 posted on 08/23/2010 7:39:52 AM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: Cardhu
The prime movers in the campaign against the “ground zero mosque” just happen to be among the last cheerleaders for America (’s nine-year war in Afghanistan.)

This is what really galls him.

24 posted on 08/23/2010 7:40:07 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: Cardhu


It’s not going to determine President Obama’s political future or
the elections of 2010 or 2012.

I hope Frank Rich keeps this up.
And that it will lead to a repeat of what happened on election day
in 1994.
(a debacle for the Democrats)


25 posted on 08/23/2010 7:40:35 AM PDT by VOA
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To: FourPeas

I mistakenly flipped to “Morning Joe” this morning to hear Joe Scarborough say something like “Frank Rich got this perfectly on the mark...” That’s all you need to hear to know that Frank Rich has once again authored a “hate America” and “blame the conservatives” piece that will be wildly popular in the MSM and lefty blogosphere.


26 posted on 08/23/2010 7:41:18 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: Cardhu

Hey, Frank. Get back in the closet.


27 posted on 08/23/2010 7:41:27 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: OpusatFR
At the very least, the name, Cordoba House, must be changed.

But Zero likes the name Cordoba. He cited it during his infamous "Cairo Speech."

"Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. We see it in the history of Andalusia and Cordoba during the Inquisition."

28 posted on 08/23/2010 7:47:52 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: OpusatFR

‘At the very least, the name, Cordoba House, must be changed.’

It was. It is now the ‘Park 51 Project’.


29 posted on 08/23/2010 7:49:47 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Yet_Again

Thanks for the pic. The landing gear makes it ground zero.


30 posted on 08/23/2010 7:52:37 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Thanks for the link,


31 posted on 08/23/2010 7:57:14 AM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu
Rich won't understand the Islamists until he's shared Daniel Pearl's fate. He's willing to work with any of them as long as they mouth the shibboleths of Liberalism's PC claptrap, rope-a-dope rhetoric.

He's also willing to ignore that the Imam running this scam is an Hamas supporter and that Hamas supports the Mosque along with Rich. 100 Mosques are in NYC. They don't need a new $100 million one near the site of the mass murders these Islamists barbarians perpetrated. Also, where is the money coming from for this structure? Why don't the Saudis send that money to help the Pakistanis who are flood victims? Why do infidels always have to bail out the suffering Muslims?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pearl

32 posted on 08/23/2010 8:13:10 AM PDT by elhombrelibre ("I'd rather be ruled by the Tea Party than the Democratic Party." Norman Podhoretz)
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To: Cardhu
the Pope he would be upset. Just when he is witch hunting the nuns and playing Sgt Schultz to the bad boys.

Many of the nuns from "mainstream" orders being investigated really are witches. Just ask them. I work with some.

The homosexual "bad boys" have have been trying to get revenge on the Pope for kicking their tails when he was head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The homos were obsessed with Cardinal Ratzinger; I was there when hundreds of them tried to silence his speech in NYC in 1987.

Socialist agitators are so evil, the Reichstag Fire is pretty much their only move: Blame your enemies for what you yourself did—in this case, sodomy and covering up sodomy. The Lefty press is trying to blame the Pope for the predatory sodomy their own Lefty-priest friends were able to get away with under the protection of Lefty bishops. Those were the peacenik, swishy, politician-kissing, abortion-tolerating bishops the press was always praising for daringly defying the Vatican. These were the same bishops Cardinal Ratzinger ousted for corruption and for protecting sexual predators.

The whole thing reminds you of homosexuals blaming the normal world for the spread of AIDS. I think there's a line in Proverbs about how much vice hates virtue.

33 posted on 08/23/2010 8:20:04 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: manc

Yep. If this is a community center meant for ‘outreach,’ by all means, Christians, Jews, Buddhists and atheists must be welcomed. And, they should be welcomed in their bikinis if that’s what they choose to wear. Maybe a tailgate party outside.

Can you imagine the mental contortions Rich and his fellow travelers have to go through to come to their positions? Has to be exhausting.


34 posted on 08/23/2010 8:33:43 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: manc

“jourNOlists have met and drawn their new lies to cover for islam and their messiah”

the “Ministry of Truth” is having a harder and harder time convincing the American people


35 posted on 08/23/2010 8:58:27 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
This is the new "mantra" of the Left--blame "haters" for the oppposition to the Ground Zero Mosque. And--because Fox dares to have people who question the wisdom of building a center for the propagandization (how's that for a new word?) of radical Islam--they MUST be haters. Right?

Watch for this new mantra to become as oft-repeated in the MSM as the "Cheney gives gravitas" mantra was when GWB announced his candidacy for president. Never mind that the Muslim version of "love thy neighbor as thyself" is to reach out to that neighbor with one hand beckoning him to worship Allah, and the other on a detonator of a bomb carefully designed to blow him to smithereens if he is too foolish to accept the "invitation"!

36 posted on 08/23/2010 8:59:18 AM PDT by milagro
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To: EDINVA

Tied in with the desire to build the memorial in Pa. in the shape of a cresent and face east. This is one time when we speak with one voice and drown out these traitors.


37 posted on 08/23/2010 9:30:55 AM PDT by gunner03
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To: conservativeharleyguy

“560 feet [away] “

Good point — and how far away is this spot from the debris which fell out from the Towers?

I would assume that it was in the footprint of the destruction.


38 posted on 08/23/2010 9:43:05 AM PDT by Nabber
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To: Cardhu
Unfortunately for Frank Rich, conservatives can read. We can see how he claims: "It’s not a mosque but an statement is linked to another NY Times page, one that provides details on the proposal.

Yes, unfortunately Mr. Rich, some of us know how dishonest he can be, so we check that page--and find that it states: "The tower of as many as 15 stories will house a mosque, a 500-seat auditorium, and a pool. Its leaders say it will be modeled on the Y.M.C.A. and Jewish Community Center in Manhattan."

Poor dishonest little Rich boy.

39 posted on 08/23/2010 11:48:29 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: jan in Colorado

ping


40 posted on 08/23/2010 11:49:06 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: smokingfrog; Darkwolf377

Doesn’t really need a barf alert. You can tell by the title that it’s going to ruin the carpet. All that remains is to read it and find out by what convoluted logic Rich is going to make his “point.”

It seems to have escaped his notice that

1. We are fighting in Afghanistan to defeat the imposition of Sharia law on the Afghan people.

2. We are fighting the mosque to defeat the imposition of Sharia law here.

The Muslims that Petraeus is trying to recruit would be on our side in this. If anything is going to persuade them not to help us, it is the Wikileaks exposure of their names in public, something I’m sure the leak-lovin New York Times applauds.

The mosque supporters are doing backwards somersaults to twist this very plain issue around to their advantage—note Rauf’s wife saying it is metastasized anti-Semitism!

The terrorists have gone one step too far and refuse to admit it. They have revealed how little they know us. And how much they hate us. They are starting to see a side of America they should have known existed. So now every lie and twist must be employed to try to undo what they have done.


41 posted on 08/26/2010 1:03:46 PM PDT by firebrand
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