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Company Audits Up, Illegal Worker Arrests Way Down Since 2008
FOX NEWS ^ | 08/23/10 | FOXNEWS

Posted on 08/23/2010 6:21:25 PM PDT by Doogle

The Obama administration said it would focus its enforcement of illegal immigration laws by targeting workplace activities, but a recent report shows that while audits of employers are slightly up over the Bush administration, worker arrests are down drastically since the end of 2008.

Under Obama, employer audits are up 50 percent, fines have tripled to almost $3 million and the number of executives arrested is slightly up over the Bush administration.

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We were just told a week or two ago that Odumbo's arrest numbers were more than Bushes when it came to illegals....guess it was just another lie.
1 posted on 08/23/2010 6:21:27 PM PDT by Doogle
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To: Doogle

Hate to defend Obama, but this is not a bad approach. Making an example of the employers who hire illegals is much more effective that arresting individual illegals (and letting the employers off the hook).


2 posted on 08/23/2010 6:23:41 PM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: Doogle

Barry and his comrades were using Bush’s “numbers” and claiming them as their own. Damn liars. Since the muslim rose to power, those numbers have fallen off dramatically.


3 posted on 08/23/2010 6:24:08 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (DemocRATS! America's Taliban!)
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To: rbg81

If illegals are not deported, they just move on to another job with new phoney papers. The “new “ approach is just a new tax on business ,without offending Mexicans too much.


4 posted on 08/23/2010 6:37:19 PM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: rbg81
Hate to defend Obama, but this is not a bad approach. Making an example of the employers who hire illegals is much more effective that arresting individual illegals (and letting the employers off the hook).

What if the companies raided are those that do not pay the illegals what Obama deems a fair wage or they are companies that Obama considers enemies of his agenda?

What makes more sense here considering the handling of this specific issue along with all others -that Obama is strong on the agenda of the people -stemming and reversing the tide of illegal aliens OR that Obama selectively enforces that which promotes his own agenda -"amnesty"?

5 posted on 08/23/2010 6:48:35 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: rbg81

since when is it impossible to do both...


6 posted on 08/23/2010 6:51:47 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle
Under Obama, employer audits are up 50 percent, fines have tripled to almost $3 million and the number of executives arrested is slightly up over the Bush administration.

Rather, over the last year of the Bush administration. Bush's record for immigration enforcement during his first seven years was abysmal. Even Bill Clinton did a better job enforcing the immigration laws than Bush.

7 posted on 08/23/2010 6:56:07 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Got some numbers?


8 posted on 08/23/2010 7:05:51 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Doogle

You wanted “Change” America.

How do you like it?


9 posted on 08/23/2010 7:07:15 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Barry and his comrades were using Bush’s “numbers” and claiming them as their own. Damn liars. Since the muslim rose to power, those numbers have fallen off dramatically.

I wouldn't be so haughty about George "I never met an illegal alien I didn't love" Bush's record on immigration enforcement. His record is clear --he loved Mexicans more than he loved Americans.

During his first four years, Bush not only didn't enforce the immigration laws, but also ordered immigration enforcement to be virtually shut down.

Under Bush, worksite arrests of illegal aliens fell some 97 percent, from 2,859 in 1999 to 159 in 2004. Investigations targeting employers of illegal immigrants fell more than 70 percent, from 7,637 in 1997 to 2,194 in 2003. Arrests on job sites fell—precipitously, from 17,554 in 1997 to 445 in 2003. Fines levied for immigration-law violations fell from 778 in 1997 to 124 in 2003. Notices of intent to fine employers fell from 865 in 1997 to just 3 in 2004.

Given Bush's poor record during his first term, the half-hearted effort during his second term looked statistically fantastic. Can you say, legacy-building?...

In contrast, when the Bush Administration began enforcing immigration laws, the number of worksite arrests jumped from 845 in fiscal year (FY) 2004 to 6,287 in FY 2008,[10]and 276,912 illegal immigrants were deported in FY 2007. [11] Pro–illegal immigration groups did not like those actions, but these figures are not "merely looking tough." (See: Time to Stop the Rush for "Amnesty" Immigration Reform

10 posted on 08/23/2010 7:17:07 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Are you making-up numbers and passing them off as Heritage’s? That’s mighty poor form.


11 posted on 08/23/2010 7:23:55 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Got some numbers?

Yeah. I never cease to be amazed of how many stand up to defend Bush's record on immigration.

Time to Stop the Rush for "Amnesty" Immigration Reform

Instead of building on past progress, over the past year the Obama Administration has reversed a number of effective interior enforcement efforts begun under the Bush Administration. Secretary Napolitano has argued, "We have replaced old policies that merely looked tough with policies that are designed to actually be effective."[7] However, the numbers suggest otherwise. The number of worksite arrests is down "by more than 50 percent from fiscal year 2008 to fiscal 2009." Specifically, "administrative arrests of violators of immigration laws fell 68 percent from 2008 to 2009, criminal arrests fell 60 percent, criminal indictments fell 58 percent and convictions fell 63 percent."[8] Secretary Napolitano has pointed to increased efforts to target criminal illegal aliens as proof of her tougher policies, but in 2009, the number of criminal arrests of foreign nationals is up only slightly from the numbers of arrests in 2008 and 2007.[9]

In contrast, when the Bush Administration began enforcing immigration laws, the number of worksite arrests jumped from 845 in fiscal year (FY) 2004 to 6,287 in FY 2008,[10]and 276,912 illegal immigrants were deported in FY 2007. [11] Pro–illegal immigration groups did not like those actions, but these figures are not "merely looking tough."

De facto Catch and Release. Until the second term of the Bush Administration, illegal immigrants caught inside the United States were given an order to appear in court and then released back into society until their court dates. Predictably, most never appeared in court. The Bush Administration replaced this failed "catch and release" policy with a "detention and removal" construct that focused on detaining apprehended illegal immigrants until they were processed for removal.

Even though this next document is in favor of so-called "Comprehensive Immigration Reform", the numbers they present do show what I'm saying. Namely, immigration enforcement under Bush fell dramatically, and never came back up to what they were before he took office.

See: Mission Accomplished II: The Bush Record on Immigration Enforcement

12 posted on 08/23/2010 7:26:15 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

In other words, you made up the 97% number, thanks.


13 posted on 08/23/2010 7:28:05 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Are you making-up numbers and passing them off as Heritage’s? That’s mighty poor form.

Yep. Just like always. /s

Why are you ignoring Bush's record on immigration?

14 posted on 08/23/2010 7:28:12 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: 1rudeboy
In other words, you made up the 97% number, thanks.

Of course, if you really wanted to prove me wrong, you could simply post Bush's record.

15 posted on 08/23/2010 7:30:22 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Doogle
So audits are up and fines have nearly tripled. This is good, employers won't hire illegals if there's a good chance it will cost them money. And illegals won't come unless they can find work.

But what about the illegals already here? ICE still has a habit of simply releasing illegals, who then change identities, forge new papers, and rejoin the workforce. It's very possible they'll get caught again, and their employers fined again (and again, and again).

Pretty good scam, huh? Why fix a problem when you can profit from it? The concept sounds familiar...

16 posted on 08/23/2010 7:30:31 PM PDT by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I’m not ignoring a damn thing. If Bush’s numbers on the issue are so bad, you shouldn’t have to make them up out of whole cloth, that’s all.


17 posted on 08/23/2010 7:30:43 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Of course, if you really wanted to prove me wrong, you could simply post Bush's record.

ROTFLMAO

18 posted on 08/23/2010 7:31:27 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I’m not ignoring a damn thing. If Bush’s numbers on the issue are so bad, you shouldn’t have to make them up out of whole cloth, that’s all.

If I'm so far off-base you should have no problems posting the numbers to prove it.

Let's see just how great he was compared to his predecessor and his successor.

19 posted on 08/23/2010 7:34:17 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Even Bill Clinton did a better job enforcing the immigration laws than Bush.

Prove it, or STFU. I'm not here to give you a foot massage.

20 posted on 08/23/2010 7:35:23 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
ROTFLMAO

I thought so.

21 posted on 08/23/2010 7:35:23 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Poor, poor Dan. Busted.


22 posted on 08/23/2010 7:38:51 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Yup, that’s what I thought . . . information from a website that is not welcome on FR. Figures.


24 posted on 08/23/2010 7:41:38 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Yup, that’s what I thought . . . information from a website that is not welcome on FR. Figures.

Oh, there's plenty of other web sites that say the same thing --Bush was lousy when it came to defending America from illegal immigration.

Rounding Up the Usual Suspects:

For instance, in the years 1995, 1996, and 1997, there were between 10,000 and 18,000 worksite arrests of illegals annually. In the same years about 1,000 employers were served notices of fines for employing them. Under the Bush administration, worksite arrests fell to 159 in 2004 when there was also the princely total of three notices of intent to fine served on employers.

25 posted on 08/23/2010 7:48:35 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Doogle

Nothing, but they weren’t doing both.


26 posted on 08/23/2010 7:49:37 PM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Even Bill Clinton did a better job enforcing the immigration laws than Bush.

Poor old Dan . . . made something up and cannot prove it. Sad.

27 posted on 08/23/2010 7:50:11 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Thanks! Finally! And you didn’t have to go to a racist website to prove it!


28 posted on 08/23/2010 7:52:23 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Poor old Dan . . . made something up and cannot prove it. Sad.

It's right there in black-and-white. I'm sorry you refuse to recognize the truth, but that doesn't make it any less true.

If it were false, you would have posted links and quotes.

29 posted on 08/23/2010 7:55:17 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: 1rudeboy
Thanks! Finally! And you didn’t have to go to a racist website to prove it!

Well, duh! Bozo.

30 posted on 08/23/2010 7:56:23 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Dude, I thanked you already . . . how hard was it, anyway? I asked you for proof, and you posted it—there was never any need to present some white supremacist crap as being from Heritage.


31 posted on 08/23/2010 7:57:22 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Dude, I thanked you already . . . how hard was it, anyway? I asked you for proof, and you posted it—there was never any need to present some white supremacist crap as being from Heritage.

You called me a liar, but I haven't seen your post saying that you were wrong and I was right.

Until I do, you're a Bozo.

32 posted on 08/23/2010 7:58:36 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I asked for proof, and you posted it. Thanks. Sorry that you had to betray the websites you frequent. It happens.


33 posted on 08/23/2010 8:00:17 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I asked for proof, and you posted it. Thanks. Sorry that you had to betray the websites you frequent. It happens.

No, you didn't simply ask for proof. You wrote that I made these figures up. IOW, you called me a liar.

You're awfully big on making other people own up to what they write, but you're quick to forget what you write.

Did I make up what I wrote about Bush's record?

34 posted on 08/23/2010 8:05:53 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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Poor, poor Dan. I asked you for proof, and you asked me to defend Bush first. Sorry you cannot remember.
35 posted on 08/23/2010 8:08:24 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Doogle; All
FYI --on the same topic -something I looked into recently and posted on another thread:

It looks like we see a slow and deliberate fundamental transformation taking place right before our eyes by this administration as it subverts the law and its task of enforcement by reinterpreting its mission and changing policies to fit its own goals. Plainly put, this administration seeks to keep a certain demographic of illegal aliens, useful idiots beholden to them, in the country as long as possible --this effectively equates to back door amnesty.

Case in point: ICE: Detention and Policy Reforms

Detention Reform
Last year, ICE detained more than 300,000 aliens. Recognizing that the purpose of immigration detention is not punitive and the importance of providing our detainees with quality care, ICE is engaged in a broad detention reform effort. This includes creating a civil detention system that reduces transfers, maximizes access to counsel, visitation, and recreation, improves conditions of confinement, and ensures quality medical, mental health, and dental care. ICE already has taken concrete steps to improve the immigration detention system and is engaged in a serious and sustained effort that will result in additional reforms and actions in the near future.

Review the Accomplishments

Policy Reform

ICE has a broad mandate that includes protecting and securing the borders through immigration enforcement at the border, ports of entry, and inside the United States. Finite resources require ICE to prioritize our enforcement efforts to best protect the security of our communities and the integrity of the immigration system. This includes focusing on criminal aliens, fugitives, and recent border violators. To ensure our practice aligns with these broad priorities, ICE has recently issued a number of policies including one intended to reduce the risk that we place United States citizens in proceedings or detention, a policy to refocus fugitive operations, and a new memorandum of agreement in an effort to ensure the 287(g) program aligns with ICE priorities. These and other key reforms promote the smart and effective enforcement of immigration laws. Additional policy reforms are coming soon.

Summary of Policy Reforms

Request for Public Comment on Immigration Detainer Policy

ICE has drafted an immigration detainer policy to engage all interested stakeholders and solicit a broad range of views and comments. This is not a final policy and is disseminated solely to collect feedback. ICE is interested in a concrete assessment of how this draft policy, if issued and implemented, would affect the agency's law enforcement partners, the operation of the criminal justice system, communities and individuals. Please respond with your comments to ICEDetainerComments@dhs.gov by Thursday, September 30, 2010.

ICE Draft Immigration Detainer Policy (PDF Document)

One obvious question is -where is the media reporting on this?

Another obvious question: Is it not counter intuitive and hypocritical to pursue a policy that on the one hand purports, "the purpose of immigration detention is not punitive"; YET, on the other hand as evidenced, ICE is more and more focusing on ONLY detaining convicted criminals -this concept further promoted in the latest "Draft Immigration Detainer Policy" which will so much as command local law enforcement agencies to release all illegal aliens discovered during traffic stops UNLESS they are convicted of felonies or demonstrate an immediate danger.

What is the purpose of an "immigration" detention policy that is supposedly not punitive yet is solely premised upon looking the other way regarding illegal alien status UNLESS there is a criminal conviction? A policy of enforcement that is NOT premised simply upon discovery of illegal status is a policy that subverts the law. Here we see the Executive who would be King -the rule of man as sole authority, ignoring the rule of law by ignoring the Legislature and denying justice under the law by eliminating the role of the Judiciary...

Does 2 + 2 = 5 now?

36 posted on 08/23/2010 8:11:18 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: 1rudeboy
Poor, poor Dan. I asked you for proof, and you asked me to defend Bush first. Sorry you cannot remember.

Now look who's making things up out of whole cloth. Show where I asked you to defend Bush.

Got some numbers?
8 posted on Monday, August 23, 2010 7:05:51 PM by 1rudeboy
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Are you making-up numbers and passing them off as Heritage’s? That’s mighty poor form.
11 posted on Monday, August 23, 2010 7:23:55 PM by 1rudeboy
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Yeah. I never cease to be amazed of how many stand up to defend Bush's record on immigration.
12 posted on Monday, August 23, 2010 7:26:15 PM by Ol' Dan Tucker
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In other words, you made up the 97% number, thanks.
13 posted on Monday, August 23, 2010 7:28:05 PM by 1rudeboy

Yep. Just like always. /s

Why are you ignoring Bush's record on immigration?

14 posted on Monday, August 23, 2010 7:28:12 PM by Ol' Dan Tucker
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37 posted on 08/23/2010 8:21:42 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Doogle

I agree with going after the employers that hire illegals. Ratchet up the pressure on them and make it harder for the illegal to find employment.


38 posted on 08/23/2010 8:42:20 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Doogle

Audit from the top down, starting with the UOTUS.


39 posted on 08/23/2010 8:49:33 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: rbg81
"Hate to defend Obama, but this is not a bad approach. Making an example of the employers who hire illegals is much more effective that arresting individual illegals (and letting the employers off the hook)."

I totally agree. STOP THE INCENTIVE - STOP THE MIGRATION!

I've been saying the same for years, long before others were even watching. I was a member of FAIR back in the early 90's when they were espousing penalties against employers at that time.

Still, I want the double fence built, as we were promised by Congress. They not only reneged on that promise, but defunded much of the fence they had previously funded. That includes the Bush administration and more so the Obambi socialists.

The above is why the obambi socialists want to kill the e-verify program that has worked very well with those companies/states who used it. IT SHOULD BE MANDATORY! It's well within the Constitutional authority of the Fedgov to enforce.

Of all the abuses of the "commerce clause", this would definitely be within the jurisdiction of the Fedgov. Those companies who don't use it should be fined into bankruptcy. Think of all the jobs open to US citizens if the above were to occur, even during this continuing recession.

40 posted on 08/23/2010 10:55:41 PM PDT by A Navy Vet ( An Oath Is Forever.)
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To: rbg81

I am thinking some of these arrests are lower because many have moved to other states and or not staying in one place very long. I am sure amongst the illegals they are kept informed as to the duration of their employment and when the authorities could actually crack down.


41 posted on 08/23/2010 11:22:33 PM PDT by caww
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


42 posted on 08/23/2010 11:32:11 PM PDT by HiJinx (I can see November from my front porch - and Mexico from the back.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker; 1rudeboy
Well, at least Clinton never declared that he wanted a "new America" where spanish was heard on every street...

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

Our future cannot be separated from the future of Latin America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster

43 posted on 08/24/2010 2:52:45 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: rbg81
Hate to defend Obama, but this is not a bad approach. Making an example of the employers who hire illegals is much more effective that arresting individual illegals (and letting the employers off the hook).

It is the way to go. Fines and jail time are what it will take. Just fines will be factored in as a business expense unless people are held accountable.

The other place to hit it would be schools. If the schools can check the immunization records of all students, they could easily as a parallel process check if that child is a US citizen.

44 posted on 08/24/2010 3:16:41 AM PDT by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: rbg81
All this equates to in a stealth "tax" on businesses.

Their are stiff "fines" for opting out of ObamaCare. The rich liberals will simply pay the "fine."

Do you think Babs Streisand is signing up for ObamaCare?

Nope. Pay the fine, do what they want.

The illegals will just move on to the next job, until their employer gets "fined."

45 posted on 08/24/2010 3:54:36 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...
Thanks Doogle.
Under Obama, employer audits are up 50 percent, fines have tripled to almost $3 million and the number of executives arrested is slightly up over the Bush administration.

46 posted on 08/24/2010 4:02:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: SkyPilot

If enough employers get fined, eventually, there will be no next job.

Of course, many will come here, have an anchor baby, and just live of the state.


47 posted on 08/24/2010 4:12:29 AM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: SkyPilot

If enough employers get fined, eventually, there will be no next job.

Of course, many will come here, have an anchor baby, and just live off the state.


48 posted on 08/24/2010 4:12:50 AM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: ZOOKER

It sounds like a sport fishing policy. Catch and Release! LOL.


49 posted on 08/24/2010 4:31:40 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Doogle

Ship them back. Use stimulus money and get a double bang for the buck. They say it can’t be done? I say try it.


50 posted on 08/24/2010 4:58:25 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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