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FR Zots Gay Rights RINO Trolls - David Frum Deeply Saddened
Frum Forum ^ | 8/24/10 | RD

Posted on 08/24/2010 10:06:19 AM PDT by TrueRightWing

When Bill Clinton moved to open the military to gays in 1993, the GOP and conservative Democrats led the effort to oppose gay rights. In 1996, Hawaii flirted with gay marriage and the GOP again led the charge against gay equality, culminating in the federal response known as the "Defense of Marriage Act".

Flash forward fourteen years to the present. Gay marriage is ruled a federal right for the first time and the response from the GOP is… tepid. Not one nationally prominent elected official thought the issue was important enough to get worked up over....

Complicating matters for social conservatives, polls show even a majority of Republican voters support abolishing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"....

The list of conservatives supporting gay equality is growing--from the many Republican appointed judges who have ruled in favor of various gay rights cases, to GOP Solicitor General Ted Olson, Republican Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and even the ultraconservative former Vice President Dick Cheney. Nowadays Margaret Hoover of Fox News sits on the board of GOProud alongside conservative Grover Norquist; and even Elisabeth Hasselbeck has come out in support of gay marriage rights...

What is happening to the GOP? First our elected officials tire of bashing gays and now our pundits? Perhaps Republicans are beginning to see the writing on the wall. Public opinion is changing rapidly in favor of gay marriage rights....

The religious right may be having a conniption, but younger Republicans increasingly appear to believe that opposing gay equality is inconsistent with a belief in increased liberty and smaller government. Although the religious right will continue to be a strong presence in the GOP for years to come, changing demographics are not on the side of anti-gay forces and the GOP appears to be awakening to this reality.

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My read is that the GOP has figured out that they need to hit the Democratic Party on its weak point -- IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID -- and are being careful to avoid distracting sideshow issues.
1 posted on 08/24/2010 10:06:20 AM PDT by TrueRightWing
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To: TrueRightWing

My read is that the GOP may be ‘rolling over’ for perversion in some misguided ‘expedience’.


2 posted on 08/24/2010 10:09:18 AM PDT by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: TrueRightWing
Frum is all excited about our children being taught that anal sex is normal and natural.

How will Frum feel when his son is in a hospital at age 35 or 40, unable to hold his own feces in anymore?

Something for the GOP parents to look forward to I guess.

3 posted on 08/24/2010 10:10:11 AM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: TrueRightWing

Consider the source of this story.

Anything from that idiot David Frumm OR his contributors is suspect UNTIL proven correct.


4 posted on 08/24/2010 10:10:20 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON and moderates make me PUKE!!!")
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To: TrueRightWing
Public opinion is changing rapidly in favor of gay marriage rights....

That sure is true. Look at all the states in which people have gotten to vote on this subject. Victory after victory after victory. Every time this topic comes up on the ballot, it shows that public opinion strongly favors this.

Oh wait ...

5 posted on 08/24/2010 10:10:29 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: TrueRightWing

“Public opinion is changing rapidly in favor of gay marriage rights.... “

Funny, that is not what the voters of the majority of the states have said at the ballot box.

Frum = garbage.


6 posted on 08/24/2010 10:11:00 AM PDT by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: TrueRightWing

They are trying to provoke conservatives into making an issue out of something during THIS ELECTION CYCLE that will only remind D’s why they are D’s, and keep them on the reservation.

The problem with liberals is they are willing to starve before giving up on causes that they believe in. They will burn down the village to ‘save it’, if they indeed believe their idiocy will actually ‘save it’.


7 posted on 08/24/2010 10:13:13 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: TrueRightWing

This Frum.

more homo-agenda nonsense.

The majority of American sees homosexuals as sexual deviants. period.

This is probably from the foleys of the GOP who want to be out. Too many homosexuals in DC.

The vast majority of the military and the USA actually want DO tell and DO expell.

There is not social/fiscal conservative division that is just divisionary propaganda.

conservative is conservative.

compassionate conservative was a joke then as this attempt to divide is a joke.

Remember, homosexual conduct sanctioned with special “rights” COSTS TAXPAYER MONEY!


8 posted on 08/24/2010 10:15:06 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: RinaseaofDs

That’s what I’d suspect if this article came from a liberal source. Given that it comes from a conservative source, I see it as a warning against just that land-mine.


9 posted on 08/24/2010 10:15:13 AM PDT by TrueRightWing
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To: TrueRightWing

My read is that the GOP has let the leftists pull it to the left again!!

This is why I am no longer a Republican, but a conservative. Republicans and conservatives aren’t the same thing, anymore!!


10 posted on 08/24/2010 10:15:36 AM PDT by DustyMoment
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To: TrueRightWing

Its a sad fact that most republican politicians aren’t worth a DAMN.


11 posted on 08/24/2010 10:17:53 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: TrueRightWing

It’s not a conservative source at all. David Frum is a liberal Canadian who only passes for “conservative” because he’s worked in Republican circles in the U.S. for years.


12 posted on 08/24/2010 10:18:05 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: TrueRightWing
Gay marriage is ruled a federal right for the first time and the response from the GOP is… tepid.

Hey - Frum - there are no federal rights, unless of course you have decided to give them the power to grant you any.

13 posted on 08/24/2010 10:19:29 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: TrueRightWing
...and the GOP again led the charge against gay equality.

Ok, I read until that part.

14 posted on 08/24/2010 10:19:40 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: DustyMoment

Good. Neither the political parties can count on your vote.


15 posted on 08/24/2010 10:24:11 AM PDT by verity
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To: TrueRightWing; 185JHP; AFA-Michigan; Abathar; Agitate; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; Antoninus; ...
My read is that the GOP has figured out that they need to hit the Democratic Party on its weak point -- IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID -- and are being careful to avoid distracting sideshow issues.

It looks like there's another newbie (or maybe a retread) calling conservative values and the fight against the militant homosexual agenda a "sideshow issue".

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16 posted on 08/24/2010 10:25:20 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Last Dakotan

MA FReepers, write in Keith Davis 9 Pheasant Drive, Holyoke for Lt. Governor in the Primary on September 14th. Richard Tisei isn’t even a RINO. He has a 100% rating from NARAL. Was the only Republican to vote against the Income Tax Rollback. Voted against the Marriage Amendment and is a sponsor of the Transgender Rest Room Bill.


17 posted on 08/24/2010 10:28:39 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: TrueRightWing; Jim Robinson
Fee Fi Fo Frum. I smell the writings of a limp-wristed squishy establishment moderate. Free Republic Founder Joins Boycott Of CPAC

"I’ll join that boycott. If CPAC is no longer for conservative family values then I want nothing to do with them. They’ll have to change their name to HOMOPAC." Jim Robinson

18 posted on 08/24/2010 10:29:30 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free ...)
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To: TrueRightWing

I have a hard time believing a majority GOP voters would support repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. While many if not most have accommodated civil unions (vs. ‘gay marriage’), I would think most GOP voters have too much understanding of and respect for the life of a soldier to think open homosexuality in the military is a good idea.


19 posted on 08/24/2010 10:30:13 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: TrueRightWing

“Public opinion is changing rapidly in favor of gay marriage rights.... “

In the words of my graddad, “If all your friends jumped off a cliff, would you?”

The DoD survey on effects of repeal of DADT is telling: it basically assumes repeal and asks us to specifically identify each and every way the repeal would be a bad thing for readiness, families, workplace, etc. Nowhere (except at the “anything else” block at the end) are we asked whether we believe homosexual “rights” are valid. Makes me wanna puke.

Colonel, USAFR


20 posted on 08/24/2010 10:30:37 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: TrueRightWing

Spocial issues are hardly unimportant. What this shows is that the left controls the media and education and can change the opsotion of the populace. The GOP sees this and follows.


21 posted on 08/24/2010 10:31:00 AM PDT by rmlew ("To put an end to amnesty once and for all...it is time to 'regularize' the status of John McCain.)
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To: little jeremiah

HomoPac ping ...


22 posted on 08/24/2010 10:33:21 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free ...)
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To: TrueRightWing

I think you’re right—that the GOP is and should be focused on the economic message.

I also don’t think the GOP cares about this issue much. I suspect they look at the way the people are already voting against gay marriage, and then how the judges rule, and they don’t see a place for themselves in this fight. What are they going to do about it? Anything they say will allow the Dems to call them haters, which makes the middle uncomfortable and might lose GOP momentum.

I think they’re looking at the prevailing winds in terms of voting and know they’ve already got the support they’re going to get from folks on this issue, in this cycle. I suspect many people who vote against the issue do so without telling people; the defeats have been rather lopsided.

And the RNC certainly doesn’t seem to care about this issue, probably because they suspect how many gays are part of their country club set. Very Rockefeller Republican—moderate to liberal on social issues, caring only for tax cuts for themselves and their pals, and low-cost labor.


23 posted on 08/24/2010 10:34:54 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown. -- written by Robert Towne)
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To: Darkwolf377

They may also be looking at the generational split in the vote, and positioning themselves accordingly. Getting in front of an oncoming parade and waving a baton is about the level of “leadership” they’re capable of.


24 posted on 08/24/2010 10:37:22 AM PDT by TrueRightWing
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To: TrueRightWing

That’s a good point. I think many folks here would be surprised at how to most young people gay marriage is no big deal, and strong opposition to it by the party could brand them the way opposition to abortion did. I am NOT saying I approve of this, merely observing what appears to be an inevitable truth—that gay marriage may be stopped for now, but I think its day is coming, and the gay rights bunch will move on to the next thing they’ll be bitching about.


25 posted on 08/24/2010 10:41:07 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown. -- written by Robert Towne)
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To: roses of sharon

Frum is all excited about our children being taught that anal sex is normal and natural.

From what I hear, the anus collapses after a while from sexual overuse and one has to use a bag (I don’t know the medical term for it) attached to them to go to the bathroom.

This is normal and natural?


26 posted on 08/24/2010 10:42:02 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: Darkwolf377
the GOP is and should be focused on the economic message.

I don't disagree. However, WE CAN DO BOTH! This is not an either/or. IMHO, this is a Trojan Horse for conservatives. A true conservative does not need to identify themselves separately (GOProud?) by what they perceive to be their sexual orientation. The mission of GOProud is decidedly non-conservative.

27 posted on 08/24/2010 10:43:13 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free ...)
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To: jagusafr
In the words of my graddad, “If all your friends jumped off a cliff, would you?”

Bad analogy.

The issue here is getting voters to vote for you, or for your guy.

With both immigration AND gay "rights", these are the facts:

When presented with a choice on a ballot, and the right to vote "yes" or "no", the voters are on our side.

When presented with a candidate who makes immigration or gay "rights" an issue, they usually vote for the other guy.

Does it make sense? Not really. Is it accurate? You betcha.

The GOP is right not to allow gay "rights", specifically opposition to it, to be identified with them.

In that form, it's a loser.

28 posted on 08/24/2010 10:43:44 AM PDT by Jim Noble (If the answer is "Republican", it must be a stupid question.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
I don't disagree. However, WE CAN DO BOTH! This is not an either/or.

In this election cycle it is.

29 posted on 08/24/2010 10:45:23 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown. -- written by Robert Towne)
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To: roses of sharon
How will Frum feel when his son is in a hospital at age 35 or 40, unable to hold his own feces in anymore?

Let's not forget the painful hemorrhoids requiring painful surgery leading up to the rectal prolapse, the genital warts, and the genital, oral or anal cancers.

30 posted on 08/24/2010 10:46:06 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Rest in peace, Congressman BillyBob.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Do both? I'm waiting to see any indication that these jokers can do either....
31 posted on 08/24/2010 10:51:07 AM PDT by TrueRightWing
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To: TrueRightWing

What’s conservative anymore. Ann Coulter is hanging with the poofters. She’s a conservative, but I don’t get it just the same.

It would be so much simpler if we just called homosexuality what it is - a psychosexual syndrome or disorder.

At least we could try to study what causes it, have a telethon, and come up with a vaccine.


32 posted on 08/24/2010 10:51:57 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: TrueRightWing

There isn’t a more important issue than fixing the judiciary. Republicans winning elections is meaningless of liberty is being stripped from the people by judges like Vaughn Walker.


33 posted on 08/24/2010 10:53:31 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: edge10
“Public opinion is changing rapidly in favor of gay marriage rights.... “
Funny, that is not what the voters of the majority of the states have said at the ballot box.

Spot on. But you should know by now that 65% in favor of a conservative idea is "barely half", whereas 51% in favor of a liberal idea is "an overwhelming groundswell in favor of (fill in the atrocious perversion here)."

Moreover, public opinion thought Obama would be an acceptable president, too; but now that the public has more accurate information? Not so much.

If the public knew the truth about the gay life instead of these treacly "two daddies" propaganda pieces, the public would be 90% against the entire gay agenda.

34 posted on 08/24/2010 10:54:51 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Rest in peace, Congressman BillyBob.)
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To: TrueRightWing; Servant of the Cross; trisham; little jeremiah; xzins; Albion Wilde; P-Marlowe; ...

TrueRightWing were you confused when you joined FR?

This is a CONSERVATIVE forum and from what I can tell all you’ve done in the few days you’ve been a member is push libertarianism especially militant homosexualism.


35 posted on 08/24/2010 10:56:03 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

A conservative forum in the natural place for people who agree with Ann Coulter and Grover Norquist and Dick Cheney and David Frum and Ted Olson and....


36 posted on 08/24/2010 10:57:40 AM PDT by TrueRightWing
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To: TrueRightWing

Free Republic does not support or promote the homosexual agenda.


37 posted on 08/24/2010 10:58:42 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TrueRightWing
Sometimes, when your "opponent" is pushing very hard against you, the best move is to step aside and let him fall under his own weight.

The gays are like adolescent teens...mired in rebellion and the more you protest, the harder they are going to push.

In raising four kids, I learned the best way to get them to see the light is to move out of the way and let them run into that wall. (all safely supervised, of course). Their own, failed experiences will teach them better than all the parental nagging on earth.
38 posted on 08/24/2010 10:58:58 AM PDT by FrankR (It doesn't matter what they call us, only what we answer to....)
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To: massgopguy

I’m writing Davis in.


39 posted on 08/24/2010 11:00:01 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: verity
Good. Neither the political parties can count on your vote.

(sigh) Ok, please explain your leap of logic to take my comment - "This is why I am no longer a Republican, but a conservative. Republicans and conservatives aren’t the same thing, anymore!!" - and arrive at "Good. Neither the political parties can count on your vote"?

40 posted on 08/24/2010 11:00:08 AM PDT by DustyMoment
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To: TrueRightWing; Servant of the Cross; trisham; little jeremiah; xzins; Albion Wilde; P-Marlowe; ...
A conservative forum in the natural place for people who agree with Ann Coulter and Grover Norquist and Dick Cheney and David Frum and Ted Olson and....

Not when it's about pushing radical homosexualism.

Have you read what Jim Robinson has to say about pushing militant homosexuality on FR? And if so, do you care?

I'm curious troll, what have your OTHER FR names been?

41 posted on 08/24/2010 11:00:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
Hey - Frum - there are no federal rights

Our Constitutional laws were based on natural rights, not the other way around. The left's "rights" are based on man-made laws that spit in the eye of "Nature and Nature's God."

42 posted on 08/24/2010 11:00:58 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Rest in peace, Congressman BillyBob.)
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To: wagglebee
I'm curious troll

Is that the sequel to "I Am Curious, Yellow"?

43 posted on 08/24/2010 11:03:21 AM PDT by TrueRightWing
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To: TrueRightWing
I am sorry to say that this battle is over.

Hollywood just has too much sway over public opinion, and for almost a decade Hollywood has been putting openly gay characters into almost every show on TV, and made sure to portray them in a positive light which resembles nothing even close to the life they actually live.

44 posted on 08/24/2010 11:03:43 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: TrueRightWing
No, the idiots "in charge" haven't a clue what is at stake, as the deviants want to bring the "wholesome conservative goodness" of the Folsom Street Fair to every town in the country.
45 posted on 08/24/2010 11:05:34 AM PDT by Darksheare (I shook hands with Sheryl Crow and all I got was Typhus and a single sheet of toilet paper.)
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To: RinaseaofDs
What’s conservative anymore. Ann Coulter is hanging with the poofters. She’s a conservative, but I don’t get it just the same.

Her indulgence in gay-style sarcastic hyperbole and repartée instead of serious commentary is disappointing; and she has an appealing image for female impersonators.

46 posted on 08/24/2010 11:06:10 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Rest in peace, Congressman BillyBob.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009; TrueRightWing

Yeah, that’s why Gay Marriage was resoundingly voted AGAINST in California.


47 posted on 08/24/2010 11:06:54 AM PDT by Darksheare (I shook hands with Sheryl Crow and all I got was Typhus and a single sheet of toilet paper.)
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To: TrueRightWing; Servant of the Cross; trisham; little jeremiah; xzins; Albion Wilde; P-Marlowe; ...
Is that the sequel to "I Am Curious, Yellow"?

A non-troll answer when asked about other FR names would be to say that you have never been a FReeper before. But, that is obviously not the case. I'm guessing that you won't last too long under this name either.

48 posted on 08/24/2010 11:07:42 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
this battle is over

Apparently the GOP's political analysis has brought it to the same conclusion.

49 posted on 08/24/2010 11:07:53 AM PDT by TrueRightWing
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To: TrueRightWing

sideshow issues?

The GOP has outlived its usefulness.


50 posted on 08/24/2010 11:08:43 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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