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State Dept. confirms Obama dual citizen
WND ^ | August 22, 2010 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 08/24/2010 6:37:15 PM PDT by RobinMasters

The State Department is maintaining a "counter-misinformation" page on an America.gov blog that attempts to "debunk a conspiracy theory" that President Obama was not born in the United States, as if the topic were equivalent to believing space aliens visit Earth in flying saucers.

However, in the attempt to debunk the Obama birth-certificate controversy, the State Department author confirmed Obama was a dual citizen of the U.K. and the U.S. from 1961 to 1963 and a dual citizen of Kenya and the U.S. from 1963 to 1982, because his father was a Kenyan citizen when Obama was born in 1961.

In a number of court cases challenging Obama's eligibility, dual citizenship has been raised as a factor that could compromise his "natural born" status under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution. The cases argue dual citizenship would make Obama ineligible even if documentary evidence were shown the public, such as the hospital-issued long-form birth certificate that indicates the place of his birth and the name of the attending physician.

The entry "The Obama Birth Controversy" was written by Todd Leventhal, identified as the chief of the Counter-Misinformation Team for the U.S. Department of State. The office appears to have been established "to provide information about false and misleading stories in the Middle East," as described in a biography of Leventhal published on the U.S. Public Diplomacy website.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; dualcitizenship; illegal; ineligible; naturalborncitizen; obama; removehimnow; statedept; toddleventhal
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1 posted on 08/24/2010 6:37:16 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: spotbust1

Ping


2 posted on 08/24/2010 6:44:15 PM PDT by spotbust1 (Procrastinators of the world unite . . . . .tomorrow!!!)
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To: RobinMasters

Ah, the Great and powerful little “o” finds truth tailing his bunns thru the constitutional maze that surrounds and protects the Americans living within its borders.

November Commeth.


3 posted on 08/24/2010 6:44:20 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: RobinMasters

And who’s in charge of the State Department...?


4 posted on 08/24/2010 6:46:52 PM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: spotbust1

The US doesn’t recognize dual citizenship.


5 posted on 08/24/2010 6:48:13 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: 4Speed
And there in lies the problem. His duel citizenship allowed Obama to enroll at Occidental College as a foreign student. This proves he is not eligible for the presidency.
6 posted on 08/24/2010 6:48:52 PM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: RobinMasters

Government is getting more brazen with time — “You’r right, Obama is constitutionally not eligible for the position he holds, but what are you going to do about it?”


7 posted on 08/24/2010 6:49:26 PM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: MAexile
And who’s in charge of the State Department...?

The next rat Presidential candidate?


8 posted on 08/24/2010 6:53:16 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: RobinMasters

I’m not too sure about anything Corsi puts out after his empty bombshells during the 2008 elections.

Not saying there isn’t something here, just cautious.


9 posted on 08/24/2010 6:53:51 PM PDT by Jazz1968
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To: Jazz1968

What do you mean by “empty bombshells”?


10 posted on 08/24/2010 6:56:01 PM PDT by bvw
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To: RobinMasters
"State Department spokesman Noel Clay confirmed to WND that Leventhal was a State Department employee and that an office of counter-misinformation existed in the State Department. "
Mr. Orwell, Mr. George Orwell please pick up a white courtesy phone ... :-(

Bump! ;-)

11 posted on 08/24/2010 6:57:30 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: txhurl

> The US doesn’t recognize dual citizenship.

US does recognize dual citizenship. You could be a dual citizen with almost any country up to the age of 18. After that things get murky. I personally know people who are over 40 and still maintain dual US/UK and US/Japan citizenship.

As far as I understand things, while you could not become a dual citizen (unless you are born that way), to lose one of your passports you have to voluntarily renounce that citizenship, it can not be taken away from you. Failing to renew a passport is considered equivalent to renouncing your citizenship.

So, if you conscientiously renew both your passports, you could maintain dual citizenship your entire life.

At least theoretically.


12 posted on 08/24/2010 6:57:44 PM PDT by bluejay
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To: 4Speed

And the January Impeachment.


13 posted on 08/24/2010 6:59:21 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: txhurl

We do. I know several.


14 posted on 08/24/2010 7:14:22 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: spotbust1
Correct me if I am in error, but isn't the purpose of the constitutional “Natural Born Citizen” requirement precisely to preclude the possibility of a dual citizenship president?
15 posted on 08/24/2010 7:16:04 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: RobinMasters

Technically he probably never lost his English citizenship.

His parents would have had to choose which one - Kenyan or English - some time after his birth.

Given that his parents had already split up, that would have probably been a duty his mother didn’t bother with.

So it would have probably been up to him to make a choice when he turned 18,


16 posted on 08/24/2010 7:16:59 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: txhurl

>>The US doesn’t recognize dual citizenship.

Someone better tell my daughter, she has a Japanese and American passport.


17 posted on 08/24/2010 7:17:39 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: struggle

I meant for POTUS.


18 posted on 08/24/2010 7:19:26 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: RobinMasters

Sonar! Just one Ping...

I am waiting for the trolls commentary now.


19 posted on 08/24/2010 7:22:43 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: bvw

Almost everyday during the final days of the election he was touting that he had proof BO was born in Kenya, and everyday he failed to bring the goods.

I just saw him trying to sell books.

To be honest, I was so turned off by his lack of follow through, this is the first piece I have read of his since early November 08.

Does that help answer your question?


20 posted on 08/24/2010 7:30:27 PM PDT by Jazz1968
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To: struggle

In Indonesia there was no dual citizenship before 2007 or 2008. Now dual citizenship can be had for children of mixed nationality parents. Obama is supposed to have traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport. He had to be an indonesian citizen through his mothers marriage, and Obama’s adoption by Lolo Soerto. He could not get an Indonesian passport without renouncing any dual citizenship.


21 posted on 08/24/2010 7:33:27 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Osama and Obama both hate freedom and have friends that bombed the Pentagon)
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To: struggle

And my wife was one until at age 21. She declared for the US because Filipine law at that time required adults to make a decision.


22 posted on 08/24/2010 7:33:46 PM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: RobinMasters

If his real father (e.g., Frank Davis) were a US citizen, this would all be academic.


24 posted on 08/24/2010 7:43:30 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: Jazz1968

Okay. Obama’s ‘life history’ defense team is strong and extensive. Somebody funded all that defense. It’s not just scrubbing, it’s much more. Corsi had no subpoena power. And even with subpoena power, it will take a strong event to cause fear of perjury among these defenders. We need a break.

Such breaks are from G-d. A matter of holding on and surviving until they avail. “Many are the ills of the righteous, but the L-RD delivers him out of them all.”


25 posted on 08/24/2010 7:44:14 PM PDT by bvw
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To: struggle

>>The US doesn’t recognize dual citizenship.

“Someone better tell my daughter, she has a Japanese and American passport.”

Someone better tell my wife too, she has a Philippine and American passport.


26 posted on 08/24/2010 7:45:04 PM PDT by lquist1
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To: RobinMasters

Ah, yes. WMD, the “Debka File” of US web news. “Birther Central.”


27 posted on 08/24/2010 7:45:35 PM PDT by blau993 (Fight Gerbil Swarming)
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To: Lion Den Dan

Are you tonight’s sacrificial lamb from DU?


28 posted on 08/24/2010 7:46:10 PM PDT by Jazz1968
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To: RobinMasters


29 posted on 08/24/2010 7:47:35 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: bvw

I don’t doubt what you are getting at.
My beef with Corsi was, he said he had the goods, and he didn’t. That was my only point.

No doubt we need a break.


30 posted on 08/24/2010 7:50:57 PM PDT by Jazz1968
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To: expatpat

“If his real father (e.g., Frank Davis) were a US citizen, this would all be academic.”

Would think there would be some sort of fraud felony charge that could be pressed.


31 posted on 08/24/2010 7:52:22 PM PDT by FreeStateYank (I want my country and constitution back, now!)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
Technically he probably never lost his English citizenship.

His parents would have had to choose which one - Kenyan or English - some time after his birth.

Given that his parents had already split up, that would have probably been a duty his mother didn’t bother with.

So it would have probably been up to him to make a choice when he turned 18,

Obama lost his United Kingdom (not "English") citizenship on Kenya's independence in 1963. The 1963 Constitution of Kenya specifically defines Kenyan citizenship. The Kenya Independence Act of 1963, the legal instrument that relinquished the UK Parliament's ability to legislate for Kenya, stated that any person who became a Kenyan citizen at independence lost their UK citizenship.

There was no choice per se. Unless certain specific steps were taken to not be a Kenyan at independence, you became Kenyan. A former Mau Mau like Obama Sr. would not have taken those steps. So they would not have been taken for his son either.

32 posted on 08/24/2010 7:56:42 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: struggle

America has been allowing dual citizenship for a number of years, but at the same time has never “officially “ reconized it. U.S. laws are based on the belief that a citizen can only have allegiance to one country. obama’s dual citizenship at birth does make him ineligible to be President. He can never legally be the President of the United States.


33 posted on 08/24/2010 8:03:22 PM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: MAexile

Good point.


34 posted on 08/24/2010 8:26:06 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: RobinMasters

Quick! Somebody get a screenshot of this so it can be used as Exhibit A when this guy is charged with violation of the Federal General False Statement Act.


35 posted on 08/24/2010 8:27:49 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: bluejay; txhurl
> The US doesn’t recognize dual citizenship.

US does recognize dual citizenship. You could be a dual citizen with almost any country up to the age of 18. After that things get murky. I personally know people who are over 40 and still maintain dual US/UK and US/Japan citizenship.

As far as I understand things, while you could not become a dual citizen (unless you are born that way), to lose one of your passports you have to voluntarily renounce that citizenship, it can not be taken away from you. Failing to renew a passport is considered equivalent to renouncing your citizenship.

So, if you conscientiously renew both your passports, you could maintain dual citizenship your entire life.

At least theoretically.

It's a bit more complicated than that. The United States does not "recognize" dual citizenship. There is not a legal status of "dual citizen" in US law. US law simply acknowledges that dual citizenships exist. And that many Americans have a second or even third citizenship.

An American can acquire a second or third citizenship the following ways.

1. Birth in the United States to two foreign national parents.

2. Birth in the United States to one American and one foreign national parent.

3. Birth overseas, but with at least one American parent.

4. Naturalization as an American, but the country of birth refuses to acknowledge the renunciation of former citizenships in the US naturalization oath. (Being a US oath it cannot bind another country.) This would only be an issue if the new US citizen had to travel to their old country.

5. An American being naturalized as a foreign citizen but not explicitly renouncing their US citizenship. Naturalization alone is not legally a renunciation. You have to explicitly renounce it and stop acting as an American. If you continue to use a US passport, identify yourself as an American or otherwise act as an American then you are considered an American under US law.

Failing to renew a passport does not, in most cases, cause you to lose a citizenship. It definitely does not occur with a US citizenship. It may or may not occur with other countries.

36 posted on 08/24/2010 8:30:23 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: kbennkc

I just had a weird shock - reading in the paper that someone I once went out with and whose wedding I attended is now a major Hildebeast supporter.


37 posted on 08/24/2010 8:31:34 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: bluejay

I have friends with US/Canada and US France. Three of my own siblings have US/German.


38 posted on 08/24/2010 8:36:14 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: GreenLanternCorps; bluejay; txhurl

The USA recognizes that dual citizenship exists...independent of US law. So if you have or gain citizenship IAW another country’s law, it has no impact on your US citizenship - UNLESS you specifically renounce it by going to the State Department and swearing an oath that it is your intent to lose your US citizenship. You can even serve in another country’s military without losing US citizenship.

From a natural born citizen perspective, it doesn’t much matter. If you are a citizen of the USA by birth, you are a natural born citizen according to the courts. You can have TWO alien parents, and still be a NBC if born in the USA.


39 posted on 08/24/2010 8:38:10 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: butterdezillion; RobinMasters
Somebody get a screenshot of this...
My exact thought.
Here it is..The Obama Birth Controversy
Interestingly, FactCheck.org determined that Obama was originally both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies from 1961 to 1963 (because his father was from Kenya, which gained its independence from the British Empire in 1963), then both a U.S. and Kenyan citizen from 1963 to 1982, and solely a U.S. citizen after that.
40 posted on 08/24/2010 8:40:31 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RobinMasters

sfl


41 posted on 08/24/2010 8:42:15 PM PDT by phockthis
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To: Mr Rogers

Here we go again. We need a supreme court ruling on the NBC issue and OB to open his files on birth location, school, passport etc. Can both sides of the freeper ongoing argument agree to this and stop arguing the same old points back and forth with no closure?


42 posted on 08/24/2010 8:42:30 PM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: whence911

The problem is that the US Supreme Court has already said the original intent of natural born citizen is found in the common law phrase natural born subject. If you grant that - and they said it over 100 years ago and multiple courts have relied on it - then there is nothing for them to decide.

In common law, a natural born subject could have two alien parents. Now, does anyone really expect the Supreme Court to overturn 110 years of precedence to rule a sitting President is there illegally?

There is a reason no state DA or Sec of State has touched this, nor any member of Congress...


43 posted on 08/24/2010 8:49:29 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Mr Rogers

I stand by my statement.


44 posted on 08/24/2010 8:50:08 PM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: RobinMasters

.....Natural Born.....           .....Native Born.....

45 posted on 08/24/2010 8:50:20 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: kabumpo
I just had a weird shock - reading in the paper that someone I once went out with and whose wedding I attended is now a major Hildebeast supporter.

You were spared for a special purpose.

46 posted on 08/24/2010 8:51:34 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: RobinMasters

save


47 posted on 08/24/2010 9:08:38 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: 4Speed

When his agenda is stopped and the dem party is in ruins...the guy will go the way of Nixon.....he’ll be Nixonized...


49 posted on 08/24/2010 9:23:03 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Mr Rogers
The problem is that the US Supreme Court has already said the original intent of natural born citizen is found in the common law phrase natural born subject.

No, they haven't said this at all.

50 posted on 08/24/2010 9:26:21 PM PDT by edge919
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