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Scott upset ripples beyond Florida
Politico ^ | 08/25/10 | Johnathan Martin

Posted on 08/25/2010 5:51:23 AM PDT by jerry557

HOLLYWOOD, Fla. – Millionaire businessman Rick Scott’s surprise win in the Florida Republican gubernatorial primary Tuesday left both parties scrambling over how to cope with a candidate who possesses both glaring flaws and considerable assets.

Scott’s three-percentage-point victory over state Attorney General Bill McCollum transforms what would have been a relatively bland general election contest between two establishment politicians into a race that will offer a test of outsider strength in a season of intense voter anger. And it will play out in one of the nation’s largest states—arguably the nation’s most politically pivotal—with consequences that reach well beyond Florida’s borders.

Scott, who will face state CFO Alex Sink, left some Democrats thrilled at the prospect of yet another high-profile candidate whose baggage threatens to weigh down the GOP in an otherwise promising year.

“Florida Republicans nominate for governor a corrupt health care CEO that defrauded taxpayers,” said Democratic strategist Mo Elleithee. “Thank you Tea Party!”

The $1.7 billion that Columbia/HCA hospital chain paid in fines over Medicare and Medicaid fraud under Scott’s tenure as CEO offers Democrats significant fodder for the fall and is partly why the Republican Governors Association issued a tepid statement Tuesday night observing only that the party “now looks forward.”

Republicans are also nervous about how far to the right Scott positioned himself on immigration in a state where Hispanic votes are key and about how the first-time candidate will perform in the more-exacting general election.

A pockmarked past, extreme stances and a political newcomer on the stump – it’s a familiar narrative for numerous GOP nominees in statewide contests this year.

Still, it may ultimately matter less than the political tailwinds blowing at the backs of Republicans.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: election; florida; governor; rickscott; scott
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1 posted on 08/25/2010 5:51:24 AM PDT by jerry557
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To: jerry557

THAT is what you get with 3rd party candidates in the race!


2 posted on 08/25/2010 5:52:28 AM PDT by G Larry (Democrats: expediting the Destruction of America, before they lose power...)
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To: jerry557

The Democrats are constantly defrauding all the taxpayers!


3 posted on 08/25/2010 5:54:37 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: jerry557

Ha! Sink is a worse candidate than Coakly was in Mass. Scott will run rings around her with his anti-big government message. The Republicans better jump on board the train quick or they will go down.


4 posted on 08/25/2010 5:55:16 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: jerry557

Oh, so Scott’s win makes the GOP corrupt?

These journolistos are so predictable.


5 posted on 08/25/2010 5:55:53 AM PDT by nhwingut (Palin/Bachmann '12)
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To: jerry557
A pockmarked past, extreme stances and a political newcomer on the stump – it’s a familiar narrative for numerous GOP nominees in statewide contests this year.

..... says Politico, trying to become the online Newsweek.

6 posted on 08/25/2010 5:56:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: jerry557

The problem with Rick Scott is not “how far right” he is, but the fact that he’s apparently corrupt as all get out - re: something about defrauding Medicare through his company or something.


7 posted on 08/25/2010 5:56:37 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (The success of Darwinism was accompanied by a decline in scientific integrity. - Dr. Wm R. Thompson)
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To: jerry557

RINOS running for the tall grass......................


8 posted on 08/25/2010 5:57:02 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: nhwingut
Oh, so Scott’s win makes the GOP corrupt? These journolistos are so predictable.

Journ0Listas consider the GOP existing to be what makes the GOP corrupt.

9 posted on 08/25/2010 5:57:30 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: jerry557

The mob banker candidate in IL has a far more shady past than Scott. Yet that’s not a problem for the JournListos. Obama even appears with him.


10 posted on 08/25/2010 5:58:52 AM PDT by nhwingut (Palin/Bachmann '12)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
...but the fact that he’s apparently corrupt as all get out

Calling something a "fact" does not make it so.................

11 posted on 08/25/2010 5:59:05 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: jerry557

If Bill McCollum wasn’t a RINO, he would have won easily.


12 posted on 08/25/2010 6:02:21 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: jerry557

If Bill McCollum wasn’t a RINO, he would have won easily.


13 posted on 08/25/2010 6:02:33 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: nhwingut

They just hate the fact that an outsider doesn’t care about power which ultimately corrupts the career politicians which in turn gives the MSM leverage over them...

So the corrupt and treasonous journalists know the gig is up...


14 posted on 08/25/2010 6:02:38 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: fortheDeclaration

The democrats will be forced to make voters decide which is the greater sin. Taking some candy off the store shelf or loading everything in the store, candy, beer, and all into a big truck and driving off.


15 posted on 08/25/2010 6:02:45 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: jerry557
And the good news...

And, unlike some of his insurgent contemporaries, Scott enjoys a considerable advantage: personal wealth that will enable him to saturate Florida’s airwaves for the next two months.

“Money is no object,” said one top national Republican.

He may not have been the state or national party’s preferred choice, but Scott’s fortune means that the RGA won’t have to spend money in one of the most expensive states in the country—freeing up cash to spend elsewhere, where it might help swing a competitive race toward the GOP candidate.

Scott’s deep pockets meant that, even as they were crowing about his flaws, national Democrats were expressing uncertainty about how his ability to drop tens of millions into the contest would ultimately affect about own commitment.

“We may have a slight advantage, but it’s still going to be hard-fought race,” acknowledged Democratic Governors Association Executive Director Nathan Daschle.

In addition to the many TV ads his cash can buy, Scott can also afford to underwrite get-out-the-vote activities not just for himself but for other Republicans on the ballot.

16 posted on 08/25/2010 6:03:10 AM PDT by nhwingut (Palin/Bachmann '12)
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To: jerry557
As a Florida voter, I was so troubled by the relentless endorsement of McCollum by the local GOP committees. And I was even more so troubled by his supporters who went crazy, on line (especially Facebook) by personally attacking the Scott supporters. They lost the argument right there, where, instead of pointing out what McCollum could do for Florida, they continued to attack Scott and his supporters.

Reagan won not by pointing out Ford's flaws but by showing his solutions for the ongoing problems.

Is Scott the one who will defeat Fink in November? I don't know but I can only hope that all Republicans see the bigger picture and unite to ensure that Fink WILL NOT win in November. One look this morning on some of the most...ardent McCollum supporters Facebook walls and the posts there look like a condolence wall, it's pathetic and scary. Makes me think some of these people drank some of the McKoolAid...
17 posted on 08/25/2010 6:03:49 AM PDT by Allthegoodusernamesaregone
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To: jerry557

McCollum was a Congressman for 20 years, and FL Atty General for the last four years. Rick Scott has never held public office.

Rick Scott unabashedly stood by the Arizona law and stated in commercials throughout his campaign that he would sign similar legislation for FL. Bill McCollum came out publicly only in the last month or so for the AZ law.

Scott has been in business while McCollum never had.

The best man won here IMO. Thankfully, the attack ads against each other will finally end. Time to start hammering all Democrats and waking people back up to the way we all felt in March during the Obamacare push in DC. Looking forward to the next couple of months!


18 posted on 08/25/2010 6:05:42 AM PDT by Textide
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
"re: something about defrauding Medicare through his company or something."

Are you a journolister? If not, how about doing your homework?

Tell the rest of us what the "somethings" are! Facts, not repetitions of vague accusations by the left.

19 posted on 08/25/2010 6:05:44 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("There are consequences for being wrong" - Burt Rutan)
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To: G Larry

No. THAT is what you get with a state GOP establishment that is more in touch with big government and special interests than its own voters.

Rick Scott kicked in the teeth of the big wigs in Tallahassee. The Republican voters in Florida have had enough of the Charlie Crist’s and Jim Greer’s. So Scott’s outsider message that he is going to shake up Tallahassee resonated with Republican voters.

This voter revolt of the Florida Republican party was a long time coming.


20 posted on 08/25/2010 6:06:58 AM PDT by jerry557
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To: BwanaNdege
Tell the rest of us what the "somethings" are! Facts, not repetitions of vague accusations by the left.

Good grief, we know Scott's company got busted for Medicare fraud. That much is a matter of public record. Duh.

McCollum would have been a much better choice, overall. He's quite conservative himself, and doesn't have the baggage that Scott has.

21 posted on 08/25/2010 6:07:49 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (The success of Darwinism was accompanied by a decline in scientific integrity. - Dr. Wm R. Thompson)
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To: jerry557
The large fine for fraudulent medicare-medicaid practices resulted in heavy fines which the company paid - just what were those practices?? did he initiate them, or were they in place when he took over the company?? - was he on staff with the company before becoming CEO??

Does he really have dirty hands, or should he get credit for cleaning up a mess??

I don't know, just wondering.

22 posted on 08/25/2010 6:08:07 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: G Larry

Gee, and the Ford, Dole, McCain, Hasteret, Lott, Crist, Whitman, Romney...regular GOP types have been so great.


23 posted on 08/25/2010 6:09:32 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: jerry557
Love it.

Establishment Republicans are every bit the soulless Media puppets as the Democrats. In many cases, Castle, Snowe, Collins, Graham, McCain, etc. even worse, in that they are too pusillanimous to declare what is going on (centralized elitist dress down of the responsible taxpayer in all aspects, financial and moral) and hence are subversive. At least the Democrats declare out front they are Leftists.

We are far far past the point of playing politics, as so many on Free Republic want. It doesn't take a majority, only clear resounding voices in the halls of the DC establishment, and in our society, to re-right the principles upon which the United States was founded: It is your responsibility to live the decisions you have made and the moral discipline that makes that possible for all. It is called Freedom.

Johnny Suntrade

24 posted on 08/25/2010 6:11:02 AM PDT by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: jerry557

......The Republican voters in Florida have had enough of the Charlie Crist’s......

So, will he be elected to the Senate?

Does he retain enough Republican patina to be elected?


25 posted on 08/25/2010 6:11:35 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: Allthegoodusernamesaregone

I think that happened when the moderate Bill Halsam won in TN. He had the money, and many dems crossed over to vote for him to be sure that a less than conservative went up against the son of one our former governors Ned McWherter, who gave us TennCare son is Ned lite, but his ads sure sound GOP. (He never even bother to campaign during the primary as he had no challenger.) Left a lot of us conservatives not happy at all. This is the second time this crap has happened and we desperately need to change how TN GOP primaries are done.


26 posted on 08/25/2010 6:12:05 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: jerry557

How typical. The very first word associated with Scott was ‘millionaire.’

Hey, Politico - how much is Sink worth?


27 posted on 08/25/2010 6:14:31 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (YouTube My Space and I'll Google your Yahoo.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Did they, or was it just a rational decision to pay a fine then pay more in legal fees?

For instance if your computerized billing make a minor error on each bill, times a million, and is accepted by fedgov for a decade.

The law, the administrative law, the computer billing is so complex that no one person can always know what is going on. Heck the Air Force at times could not even tell you the exact number of aircraft it owned. GM in it’s recent IPO statement said it had no faith in it’s internal costs or financial statements.

Basically, any large organization is to some extent not under control.

Another thing. I think anyone other than in a Iron Lung, can be investigated, enough, far back enough that somewhere, some how, some way they are possibly guilty enough to be brought to charge on some failure of law, codes, edicts, admin, regulation, form, filing, permit, license.....


28 posted on 08/25/2010 6:17:31 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: jerry557

Scott has one positive attribute that neither of the other candidates can match:

He is not a profesional politician.

One major difference between Scott and Crist is that Crist lied to every Florida citizen when he said he would not raise taxes if elected governor. But once in office he proceeded to screw all Florida taxpayers out of money in the form of higher taxes in almost every area of our lives.

And just for the record, Crist also lied when he said he would not pursue the senate election as a 3d party candidate.

As for Alex Sink - she is just another air headed political hack who will line up and vote the party line like all the other socialist lemmings in the democrat party.

The least we can do is keep voting incumbents and professional pols out of office.


29 posted on 08/25/2010 6:21:45 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take any more beatings.)
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...

Florida Freeper


30 posted on 08/25/2010 6:30:02 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: G Larry

the trouble - as always - with the lamestream media’s reporting is that key facts and details are left out of the story...in a nutshell, they were bogus charges from janet reno’s justice department trumped up due to his company’s stance against hillarycare...


31 posted on 08/25/2010 6:36:53 AM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: Iron Munro

Problem with Scott is the same one with Crist: both candidates have no firm, commited base and so can swerve all across the spectrum. Also, Crist vowed to lower property taxes and once he did, Police Fire and EMS Services were cut back. Scott has vowed to do the same thing, in an economy bereft of jobs. Florida is a state populated with elderly citizens who require services. Laying off needed essential services is not a good policy at this time.


32 posted on 08/25/2010 6:44:54 AM PDT by tenthirteen
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To: elpadre; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

see post 31


33 posted on 08/25/2010 6:49:53 AM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: jerry557
Scott is a crook, plain and simple. A rich crook who was able to buy his way to the candidacy. He is no simple political crook either. He is an epic crook. I have family members who were directly affected by this guy, one of them who actually dealt personally with him.

I won't vote for him, plain and simple.

34 posted on 08/25/2010 6:51:35 AM PDT by Paradox (Socialism - trickle up poverty.)
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To: tenthirteen
Also, Crist vowed to lower property taxes and once he did, Police Fire and EMS Services were cut back.

Crist cut property taxes in such a way that they actually went up for many people. The only reason taxes have gone down recently is because of dramatic drops in assessments.

35 posted on 08/25/2010 6:54:34 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Politicians exist to break windows so they may spend other people's money to fix them.)
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To: Leisler
Did they, or was it just a rational decision to pay a fine then pay more in legal fees?

Granted, I try to minimise my dealings with lawyers as much as possible, but even I find it hard to believe that a company could rack up $1.7 billion in legal fees....

Nevertheless, Scott is the choice, and we need to hope he wins.

36 posted on 08/25/2010 6:59:28 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (The success of Darwinism was accompanied by a decline in scientific integrity. - Dr. Wm R. Thompson)
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To: Paradox
Scott is a crook, plain and simple.

Details, please.

37 posted on 08/25/2010 7:09:16 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (They are the vultures of Dark Crystal screeeching their hatred and fear into the void ....)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
but even I find it hard to believe that a company could rack up $1.7 billion in legal fees

It is reasonably straight forward. Scott and his company were against Hillary care. The Janet Reno's office brought them up on trumped up charges. Scott wanted to fight them but the company wanted to settle. He resigned as CEO over the company wanting to bend over. to the Clintonistas.
38 posted on 08/25/2010 7:16:25 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: jerry557

Familiar narrative birthed in the biased media.

He went to the right on immigration? Well then, Go Scott....


39 posted on 08/25/2010 7:20:31 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (?)
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To: tenthirteen

They can always cut somewhere else if they cut property taxes like their salaries; other non essential government employees.
It’s not set in stone that police, fire and others have to be cut.

When Obama allegedly won; didn’t he go after businesses that didn’t go along with him?


40 posted on 08/25/2010 7:20:35 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Textide

I went to the polls prepared to vote for Mccollum but when I got to that point on my ballot, I chose Scott. The ad that showed Mccollum saying we didn’t need the “far out” Arizona law, and then saying he supported it while claiming he was never against it turned my vote.


41 posted on 08/25/2010 7:22:02 AM PDT by chad_in_georgia
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To: SeaHawkFan

If “Brady Bill” McCollum wasn’t a RINO, he wouldn’t have had a challenger at all.


42 posted on 08/25/2010 7:22:49 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I don’t know, according to the above he came out against the Arizona law. Doesn’t make him very conservative or mainstream in my book.

I really don’t know much about what happened in this race. From what I could tell both candidates dragged it into the gutter. I know a little about McCollum from previous races and I’m not surprised he wasn’t too popular. Typical establishment politician. I just haven’t decided if I believe Scott is corrupt or not.

I do know we need to win that seat because of redistricting in 2012. So all Republicans there had better do the right thing and elect him to the Governor’s mansion. If he is corrupt, put watch dogs on him to keep him in line. If that was just heated partisan rhetoric intensified, exagerated and personalized because of the primary battle then I expect that will become obvious over time. Either way there is no room for second guessing at this point. That seat is too important. Any other year these feuds could be allowed to carry out but not this one.


43 posted on 08/25/2010 7:31:06 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (?)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“Good grief, we know Scott’s company got busted for Medicare fraud. That much is a matter of public record. Duh.”

I’ve read recently that all these fraud investigations in the 90s were because Hilary and the Clinton admin was trying to force Hilarycare on the county. Every medical provider was hit with countless fines. McCollum even fought side-by-side with Columbia (Scott’s firm) against the feds in the 90s on this whole matter.


44 posted on 08/25/2010 7:42:38 AM PDT by George from New England (Escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: surfer
So the corrupt and treasonous journalists know the gig is up...

You give journalists too much credit. They're not very bright. They just write what they think their cronies will like.

45 posted on 08/25/2010 7:45:17 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: stefanbatory; G Larry
.in a nutshell, they were bogus charges from janet reno’s justice department trumped up due to his company’s stance against hillarycare..

100% GRADE A BRAVO SIERRA

Columbia HCA pleaded guilty to defrauding the Federal Government. If the charges were bogus why would they have done that? Gimme a break.

46 posted on 08/25/2010 7:46:40 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: George from New England
I’ve read recently that all these fraud investigations in the 90s were because Hilary and the Clinton admin was trying to force Hilarycare on the county.

That's ridiculous. Columbia HCA, Scott's hospital chain, pleaded guilty to charges of defrauding the Federal Government. If they were innocent businessmen they wouldn't have done that.

47 posted on 08/25/2010 7:49:00 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Allthegoodusernamesaregone
As a Florida voter, I was so troubled by the relentless endorsement of McCollum by the local GOP committees. And I was even more so troubled by his supporters who went crazy, on line (especially Facebook) by personally attacking the Scott supporters. They lost the argument right there, where, instead of pointing out what McCollum could do for Florida, they continued to attack Scott and his supporters.

Agreed. The only ammo McCollum supporters had, or at least the only ammo they used, was to scream "Medicare fraud!" over and over again. As a conservative, I really don't give much of a crap if a federal program that shouldn't exist is somehow defrauded--not that anyone has ever proven that Scott was personally involved in said fraud.

I've always been curious why FR tends to defend Microsoft as an innocent party in the Clinton DoJ's antitrust lawsuit, but will turn around and declare Scott guilty with much less proof and the same politically motivated DoJ bringing the accusations. Utterly ridiculous.

FL Dems will play up the Medicare scare to get the seasoned citizen vote, but they simply don't have the money to compete with Scott dollar for dollar. Democrats will have to divert money from other states to fund Sink, and even then it won't be enough.

Florida will be the Democrats' political quagmire.
48 posted on 08/25/2010 7:50:16 AM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: G Larry
THAT is what you get with 3rd party candidates in the race!

Yes. The Republicans and Democrats have done such a good job running the country to date that we should not mess with a winning formula.

You do agree that the Republicans and Democrats are doing a good job, don't you?

Do you have any complaints about minor things, such as run-away taxation & regulation, lack of immigration enforcement, endless wars, etc.?

Why would anyone want to change the direction our country is headed?

49 posted on 08/25/2010 7:52:01 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Alter Kaker
Columbia HCA, Scott's hospital chain, pleaded guilty to charges of defrauding the Federal Government. If they were innocent businessmen they wouldn't have done that.

Not when it's cheaper to plead guilty and pay up than it is to defend the charges and keep your company's name in negatively-framed headlines for years. A couple of days' worth of "Columbia/HCA settles charges" headlines is better than a couple of years' worth of "Columbia/HCA fraud trial continues" headlines.
50 posted on 08/25/2010 7:53:18 AM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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