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EPA Considering Ban on All Traditional Ammunition (EPA is the new SS for Obama agenda)
Ammoland ^ | 08-25-2010

Posted on 08/26/2010 7:33:25 AM PDT by autumnraine

NEWTOWN, Conn --(Ammoland.com)- All Gun Owners, Hunters and Shooters:

With the fall hunting season fast approaching, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) under Lisa Jackson, who was responsible for banning bear hunting in New Jersey, is now considering a petition by the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) – a leading anti-hunting organization – to ban all traditional ammunition under the Toxic Substance Control Act of 1976, a law in which Congress expressly exempted ammunition.

If the EPA approves the petition, the result will be a total ban on all ammunition containing lead-core components, including hunting and target-shooting rounds. The EPA must decide to accept or reject this petition by November 1, 2010, the day before the midterm elections.

Today, the EPA has opened to public comment the CBD petition. The comment period ends on October 31, 2010.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) — the trade association for the firearms, ammunition, hunting and shooting sports industry – urges you to submit comment to the EPA opposing any ban on traditional ammunition. Remember, your right to choose the ammunition you hunt and shoot with is at stake.

The EPA has published the petition and relevant supplemental information as Docket ID: EPA-HQ-OPPT-2010-0681. If you would like to read the original petition and see the contents of this docket folder, please click here. In order to go directly to the ‘submit a comment’ page for this docket number, please click here.

NSSF urges you to stress the following in your opposition:

* There is no scientific evidence that the use of traditional ammunition is having an adverse impact on wildlife populations. * Wildlife management is the proper jurisdiction of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services and the 50 state wildlife agencies. * A 2008 study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on blood lead levels of North Dakota hunters confirmed that consuming game harvested with traditional ammunition does not pose a human health risk. * A ban on traditional ammunition would have a negative impact on wildlife conservation. The federal excise tax that manufacturers pay on the sale of the ammunition (11 percent) is a primary source of wildlife conservation funding. The bald eagle’s recovery, considered to be a great conservation success story, was made possible and funded by hunters using traditional ammunition – the very ammunition organizations like the CBD are now demonizing. * Recent statistics from the United States Fish and Wildlife Service show that from 1981 to 2006 the number of breeding pairs of bald eagles in the United States increased 724 percent. And much like the bald eagle, raptor populations throughout the United States are soaring.

Steps to take:

1. Submit comment online to the EPA. 2. Contact Lisa Jackson directly to voice your opposition to the ban:

Lisa P. Jackson Administrator, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency 1200 Pennsylvania Ave., NW Washington, DC 20460 (202) 564-4700 Fax: (202) 501-1450 Email: jackson.lisa@epa.gov

3. Contact your congressman and senators and urge them to stop the EPA from banning ammunition. To view a sample letter, click here. or copy and paste the following:

Sample Letter———————————–

Dear Congressman / Senator:

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is considering banning all traditional ammunition — ammunition containing lead-core components. This is something that would affect all hunters, target shooters and law enforcement.

A petition filed with the EPA by several agenda-driven groups including the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD), erroneously claims that the use of traditional ammunition poses a danger to (1) wildlife, in particular raptors such as bald eagles, that may feed on entrails or unrecovered game left in the field and (2) that there is a human health risk from consuming game harvested using traditional ammunition. Also falsely alleged in the petition is that the use of traditional ammunition by hunters is inconsistent with the Toxic Substance Control Act of 1976, Congress expressly exempted ammunition from being regulated as a “toxic substance.”

As your constituent, I am urging you to do whatever you can to stop the EPA, which has no jurisdiction over such matters, from banning our ammunition. Please consider the following points:

*There is no scientific evidence that the use of traditional ammunition is having an adverse impact on wildlife populations.

*Wildlife management is the proper jurisdiction of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services and the 50 state wildlife agencies.

*A 2008 study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on blood lead levels of North Dakota hunters confirmed that consuming game harvested with traditional ammunition does not pose a human health risk.

*A ban on traditional ammunition would have a negative impact on wildlife conservation. The federal excise tax that manufacturers pay on the sale of the ammunition (11 percent) is a primary source of wildlife conservation funding. The bald eagle’s recovery, considered to be a great conservation success story, was made possible and funded by hunters using traditional ammunition – the very ammunition organizations like the CBD are now demonizing.

*Recent statistics from the United States Fish and Wildlife Service show that from 1981 to 2006 the number of breeding pairs of bald eagles in the United States increased 724 percent. And much like the bald eagle, raptor populations throughout the United States are soaring.

Thank you for your time. I will be watching your actions on this matter closely.

About NSSF The National Shooting Sports Foundation is the trade association for the firearms industry. Its mission is to promote, protect and preserve hunting and the shooting sports. Formed in 1961, NSSF has a membership of more than 5,500 manufacturers, distributors, firearms retailers, shooting ranges, sportsmen’s organizations and publishers. For more information, log on to www.nssf.org.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; cw2; epa; lead
Obama's not taking your guns, only the bullets. And the EPA apparently has more authority than Congress on many issues.
1 posted on 08/26/2010 7:33:26 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: autumnraine

Just when the ammo stocks at WalMart have gone back up, the government prompts another scare and sales skyrocket....oh well, guess I’m just gonna have to ‘stock up’ (again).


2 posted on 08/26/2010 7:35:31 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: autumnraine

Thanks, Nixon.


3 posted on 08/26/2010 7:36:43 AM PDT by facedodge
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To: autumnraine

Thanks, Nixon.


4 posted on 08/26/2010 7:36:49 AM PDT by facedodge
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To: autumnraine

They can have mine.........one at a time.............


5 posted on 08/26/2010 7:37:20 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (My political conviction in a nutshell: If you're in, you're out.)
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To: autumnraine

I knew they hadn’t given up on their goal of seizing all legal firearms from honest, law-abiding people and deliberately leaving them in the hands of criminals.
I said “deliberately” deliberately.


6 posted on 08/26/2010 7:37:22 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

Molon Labe, y’all -


7 posted on 08/26/2010 7:39:03 AM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: autumnraine

These regulatory agencies are, by and large, unconstitutional. Their employees are not elected officials, yet their regulations have the force of law. These agencies are part and parcel with the statist takeover of our government and they must be stopped.


8 posted on 08/26/2010 7:39:57 AM PDT by ronnyquest (There's a communist living in the White House! Now, what are you going to do about it?)
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To: ronnyquest

No big surprise. Total government, total control of everything.


9 posted on 08/26/2010 7:41:16 AM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: autumnraine

We’ll see about this.


10 posted on 08/26/2010 7:44:00 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Jerrybob
The paper yesterday said that all our cities are having to lengthen the duration of the "Walk" signs at crosswalks (and at considerable expense and traffic slow-down) -- because of new federal regulations!! My God, they now dictate how long our crosswalk "Walk" signs must be lit. There isn't anything the bastards won't touch in our lives.
11 posted on 08/26/2010 7:45:36 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: autumnraine
Reminds me of the old saying in Western's, "eating bullets".

This is Gestapo-Government via un-elected Czar's in every aspect of our lives now.

12 posted on 08/26/2010 7:48:41 AM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
There isn't anything the bastards won't touch in our lives.

I assume you are being rhetorical, but in a word, no.

13 posted on 08/26/2010 7:49:11 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: autumnraine

Stealth gun confiscation bump for later.......


14 posted on 08/26/2010 7:51:43 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: autumnraine

The very law that the petition cites SPECIFICALLY excludes ammunition from being considered a “toxic substance.” This will be laughed out of court, and everyone knows it.

What we have here is a trial balloon. Obama and his minions are attempting to see if/to what extent people will respond. I say to let them have it with both barrels - I’d like to see several million comments passed on to the fascists at the EPA.

BTW, does anyone know how many comments are typical for proposed regulations?

MOLON LABE, murthaphuckers!


15 posted on 08/26/2010 7:54:21 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: autumnraine

Calculated issue to start the inevitable hot revolution that Obozo and his bosses want.


16 posted on 08/26/2010 7:58:51 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: autumnraine

darn. all my ammo got stolen also


17 posted on 08/26/2010 7:59:09 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: autumnraine

The first thing the GOP Congress should do in January is cut all appropriations for the EPA. Well, maybe the second, right after reducing the White House operating budget by the total compensation (salary and benefits) or all the “czars”.

Third on the agenda, cutting all funding for implementation of Obamacare.


18 posted on 08/26/2010 8:02:45 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: autumnraine

Here’s the comment I left:

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The EPA is just a bunch of hypocritical communists using the resources of the government against We The People in order to advance their neo-communist goals and consolidate power for their fellow travelers.

I’ll tell you what: I’ll support a ban on lead ammo when the EPA demonstrates that they are really serious about protecting wildlife and bans all those highly toxic, mercury-filled energy saver light bulbs that they are forcing all of us to use!

Until then, the EPA cans shove it where the sun don’t shine!

Cheers


19 posted on 08/26/2010 8:03:31 AM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Here, intolerance... will not be tolerated! - (South Park))
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To: drypowder

Calculated issue to start the inevitable hot revolution that Obozo and his bosses want.

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They will regret provoking such a thing, should it come to pass.


20 posted on 08/26/2010 8:04:09 AM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: autumnraine
And, as always, when the toxicity of ammunition comes up:


21 posted on 08/26/2010 8:06:18 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
There isn't anything the bastards won't touch in our lives.

Get used to it.

Think, "Brazil".

22 posted on 08/26/2010 8:09:47 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (A fearless person cannot be controlled.)
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To: autumnraine

What do you replace lead with? If you replace it with a ferrous metal, you run the risk of starting wildfires from the sparks the bullet makes when it strikes rock, etc.


23 posted on 08/26/2010 8:12:19 AM PDT by agooga (Struggling every day to be worthy of their sacrifice.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

and so it begins....ping


24 posted on 08/26/2010 8:16:58 AM PDT by Mrs. B.S. Roberts
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To: agooga

Too bad iron-core handgun bullets have already been banned as “cop-killer.” (Even though zero cops had been killed by use of this ammunition to defeat ballistic armor, worn by a cop, at the time this legislation was passed, and this might still be true today.)


25 posted on 08/26/2010 8:21:58 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: autumnraine

80-Million gun owners already in possession of BILLIONS of rounds of lead-containing ammo...yeah, this kind of “edict” will go over smoothly...can see that right now. /not/


26 posted on 08/26/2010 8:29:23 AM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: autumnraine

Ammunition is explicitly excluded from the EPA’s ability to regulate via 15 USC Section 2602. Any ban will be struck down in court.


27 posted on 08/26/2010 8:41:18 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: autumnraine

The EPA couldn’t be LESS interested in the FACTS of leads effect on the great outdoors. This is a purely political outfit, run by radical, anti 2nd amendment leftists. Does THAT give you a clue as to the final decision? And republicans should be SCREAMING this news to constituents RIGHT NOW as the EPA is filled with leftist democrats!!! Will they? Of course not. Wouldn’t be bipartisan, don’t you know!


28 posted on 08/26/2010 8:54:29 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: OB1kNOb
They can have mine.........one at a time.............

Same here - - - - - at several hundred feet per second.

29 posted on 08/26/2010 8:57:26 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Remember in November. Clean the house on Nov. 2. / Progressive is a PC word for liberal democrat.)
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To: autumnraine

NObama campaigned with the words: “I can’t go after the 2nd Amendment because I don’t have the votes in Congress. Instead, I will go after the ammo. Without ammo, you cannot use your guns.”

People sure were not listening when those campaign speeches were broadcast, were they?


30 posted on 08/26/2010 10:09:22 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The paper yesterday said that all our cities are having to lengthen the duration of the “Walk” signs at crosswalks (and at considerable expense and traffic slow-down) — because of new federal regulations!! My God, they now dictate how long our crosswalk “Walk” signs must be lit. There isn’t anything the bastards won’t touch in our lives.”

Is this new time regulation Federal or State of California only? I am confused.

I see it as ‘make work’ so the public sector can hire thousands of people to change the intersections. That ‘creates new jobs’.

After millions of engineering dollars being spent to keep traffic flowing & keep smog down, this will surely upset the entire works. Then all the engineers will have to re-scale the traffic flows.

Nothing can be left alone, can it?

I am expecting a big outcry about how much paper is used for the size of the center roll of my toilet paper. Since the roller is smaller—they could make the carboard center roll smaller, etc.

BTW- While all of you are sending millions of dollars to the Nature Conservancy & the Sierra Club to save all the California REDWOOD trees——the ILLEGAL INTRUDERS in the forests in California have cut down 35 REDWOODS to get a better amount of sunshine onto their illegal grows of marijuana. LEO’s found the growing area——but, as usual, the persons involved ‘got away’.

Where is the outcry from all the Greenies to get these guys into jail forever????


31 posted on 08/26/2010 10:16:18 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: autumnraine

BTTT

FYI: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=537759


32 posted on 08/26/2010 10:17:28 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: autumnraine

The bureaucrats enjoy instituting regulations with the force of law (not passing laws) that make law abiding citizens into criminals. I can go on and on. It invades every corner of our lives. It is not right to live in guilt, trying to be a good citizen in the ways that count, but feeling like a criminal because sometimes you don’t recycle...


33 posted on 08/26/2010 11:12:32 AM PDT by CCCnative (waiting for socialism to fail in Santa Cruz as it did in Soviet Russia)
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To: CCCnative

Now will the EPA enforce this by having local police contact all registered gun owners in their cities and towns to verify they no longer have the banned ammunition?


34 posted on 08/26/2010 11:40:27 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: tgusa

Guns don’t kill people, Communism kills people.


35 posted on 08/26/2010 11:52:43 AM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: autumnraine

I’m sure this will be touted as how green jovs spur economic activity. “Look, we ban lead bullets so now the bitter clingy bible thumpers need to buy new bullets. Viola’! Economic activity!”

Disgusting.


36 posted on 08/26/2010 12:05:03 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (People tend to make better decisions when held to the ramifications of those decisions)
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To: reaganaut; BearRepublic81

Gun ping...


37 posted on 08/26/2010 1:05:21 PM PDT by mrreaganaut (View the wild curelom herds at Zion National Park!)
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To: autumnraine

Bring it, bring it, bring it, Miss Jackson of the EPA. THIS is a hill I am willing to die on, and so are millions of other gun owners. Oh, you do NOT want to do this.


38 posted on 08/26/2010 1:31:18 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (There is no "common good" which minimizes or sacrifices the individual. --Walter Scott Hudson)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Lead in the form of ammuniton has for a long time been more valuable than gold. Sorry to dissapoint the Beckies who by the overpriced gold coins.... Need a couple tomatoes and hand the seller a gold coin, what do you get in change?


39 posted on 08/26/2010 2:57:29 PM PDT by libertyhoundusnr
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To: autumnraine

This is getting ridiculous we need some common sense in the government


40 posted on 08/26/2010 3:52:40 PM PDT by dej2073
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To: autumnraine

The EPA needs to be abolished, the whole thing has no business existing in the Federal Government. No where in the Constitution is the EPA remotely authorized to exist.


41 posted on 08/26/2010 3:59:05 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: autumnraine

2nd Amendment INFRINGMENT! The Constitution overrides enviromental “policy”.


42 posted on 08/26/2010 8:07:15 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: libertyhoundusnr

If you are asking a serious question, then the answer is that gold, being an element, is infinitely divisible.

You can melt a bit off or scrape a bit off. If you owe someone 1/100th of a gold coin, weight it, scrape 1% off the gold coin and weigh it again. You now give 1/100th of an ounce of gold for the tomatoes.

In the Zimbabwe hyperinflation, people were paying between .1 and .3 grams of gold for bread - a tiny amount compared to a 1 ounce coin.

Gold is divisible. That is one of its key strengths and benefits.

That said, bullets can be money at times to. There is no doubt to that. Somebody in dire need of defence, with a gun and no bullets, will pay a steep price for them.


43 posted on 08/26/2010 9:56:19 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free ("I am pessimistic and fighting become despairing," Thomas Sowell to Walter Williams, 8-24-10.)
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To: dej2073

Do you mind if I borrow that punchline? I just need to write a joke around it.

We need common sense in the government. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. That’s a good one!


44 posted on 08/26/2010 9:57:38 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free ("I am pessimistic and fighting become despairing," Thomas Sowell to Walter Williams, 8-24-10.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I am alarmed at the amused responses to this deadly issue.

If this ban is adopted, the EPA under Obama’s direct control, will have successfully gutted the entire Second Amendment.

Lead free ammo IS available - but its EXPENSIVE and ballistically inferior to lead and the Administration KNOWS it.

The BEST thing we can do is contact our local Congress critters and tell them we want a Federal Law enacted FORBIDDING ANY FEDERAL AGENCY from adopting rules to restrict the use of lead bullets beyond those currently in existence.

And we need to do it NOW - BEFORE the November Elections. If we DON’T they will IGNORE us afterwards.


45 posted on 08/26/2010 10:32:17 PM PDT by ZULU (God, guts and guns made America great,)
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To: ZULU

Sorry, the very combination “government common sense” is an oxymoron. Of course that is amusing. I was NOT laughing at the EPA’s power grab to circumvent our God given second amendment rights.


46 posted on 08/26/2010 10:54:32 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free ("I am pessimistic and fighting become despairing," Thomas Sowell to Walter Williams, 8-24-10.)
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To: autumnraine
The EPA must decide to accept or reject this petition by November 1, 2010, the day before the midterm elections.

Let the EPA try to attack the cartridge box like this just a day before the midterms, and just see how American gun owners respond at the ballot box...

47 posted on 08/26/2010 10:59:00 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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