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Disaster Looms If GOP Changes Course On Gay Marriage
Fox News ^ | August 26, 2010 | Ken Blackwell and Ken Klukowski

Posted on 08/26/2010 6:28:21 PM PDT by DesertRenegade

Same-sex marriage is back as a front-burner issue in American politics.

First, on August 4, a federal judge in San Francisco held that there is a constitutional right to same-sex marriage, striking down part of the California Constitution defining marriage as one man and one woman. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit has ordered an expedited schedule to consider this case, with arguments to be held in December.

Second, former RNC chairman and 2004 Bush campaign manager Ken Mehlman came out this week, announcing he’s homosexual, and pushing the Republican Party to support the homosexual-rights agenda. Republicans leaders are beginning to weigh in on where they stand, including on the agenda’s centerpiece: Redefining marriage.

The Republican Party has an official position on same-sex marriage. It’s found in the 2008 GOP platform, which is the clear and uncontestable Republican position until the 2012 convention. When one of your authors (Ken Blackwell) was serving as vice chairman of the GOP Platform Committee, there was a singular focus on producing a party platform that fully reflects the vast majority of Republican Party members.

The GOP platform could not be more explicit: Marriage is the union of one man and one woman. The fundamental institution of human civilization should be preserved as it has been known through the entirety of American history and Western civilization. Supporters of same-sex marriage had the full opportunity to make their case to the party. They made it, and they lost.

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After Ken Mehlman made a public announcement of his homosexual lifestyle, the Republican Party will be idiotic to buy into his plea to undermine the institution of marriage. Marriage has been between a man and a woman for thousands of years. Just because Mr. Mehlman has becomes consumed with a sexual perversion is no reason to change the foundations of our culture. Mehlman and his fellow RINOs have one goal - to water down the Republican Party and satisfy their own narcissistic desires.
1 posted on 08/26/2010 6:28:25 PM PDT by DesertRenegade
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To: DesertRenegade

You’re exactly right.


2 posted on 08/26/2010 6:30:43 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Help fight government obesity! Throw the bums out in November!)
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To: DesertRenegade

Run these punks off.


3 posted on 08/26/2010 6:31:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: DesertRenegade
If the GOP decided to come out in favor of same-sex marriage, they would be committing political suicide. Those committed to Biblical Christianity would stay home on election day.
4 posted on 08/26/2010 6:35:30 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: DesertRenegade

This must be how the ‘pubs have decided to “blow” their opportunity in November.


5 posted on 08/26/2010 6:35:54 PM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: DesertRenegade

Conservatives need to be loud on this issue. The homosexual agenda is unacceptable.


6 posted on 08/26/2010 6:36:08 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Once our society endorses or legitimizes one male worshipping the hairy filthy fecal waste canal of another male, we are done for. No society has lasted long after accepting this kind of mindboggling degeneracy. It just shows how far we have fallen that it is even a topic of public discussion. That is why I describe their lifestyle in such frank terms - because once you realize their mindset it produces a natural revulsion.


7 posted on 08/26/2010 6:40:15 PM PDT by DesertRenegade
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To: DesertRenegade

No one in common American society supports this degeneracy. NO ONE. Why do we let a handful of morally defunct pockets of cancer in a few of our nation’s coastal cities dictate the structure of our society?


8 posted on 08/26/2010 6:40:33 PM PDT by WingsofCourage
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To: DesertRenegade

I believe they should go the route of supporting “civil unions”, where the gay folks can have all the same legal recognition/status as married people.

If the left and the fags reject it, they will appear ‘extreme’ to the mindless middle, and it would paint the left into a corner where they will be seen as extreme, and settling for nothing short of the destruction of traditional marriage. If the left accepts the idea of “civil unions”, then the issue goes away, and it will leave many in the gay wing pissed and the dems divided.

It would be a win/win.


9 posted on 08/26/2010 6:42:51 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: DesertRenegade
It just shows how far we have fallen that it is even a topic of public discussion.

Yes. It does. I wouldn't have imagined just 20 years ago that this would be something we'd have to fight.

10 posted on 08/26/2010 6:44:27 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DesertRenegade

Marriage is a word that describes a relationship between man and woman, it wasn’t a word that was seeking a definition.


11 posted on 08/26/2010 6:45:26 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: DJ MacWoW

A lot of people sound as if they are giving up. It’s like a tidal wave—a tidal wave of crap, to be sure, but still overwhelming.


12 posted on 08/26/2010 6:48:01 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: DesertRenegade
Like abortion, this won't be a political decision, but a judicial decision. Since there's not ANYWHERE near the support for an Amendment, that's off the table.

Eventually, probably sooner rather than later, the Supremes will hear one of these cases, and it (homosexual marriage) will become the law of the land, again just like abortion. From then on, it will only be talked about during election season, and only in campaign fund-raising letters, political rallies and conventions - again, just like abortion.

Homosexual marriage does fail at the ballot box. But, it only fails at the ballot box because blacks and Latinos vote against it, pretty overwhelmingly. Unfortunately, those exact same blacks and Latinos ONLY vote for pro-homosexual politicians who nominate or confirm pro-homosexual judges and justices.

That's just the practical political reality. Eventual homosexual marriage in America is as predictable as death and taxes

13 posted on 08/26/2010 6:48:18 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: KoRn
I believe they should go the route of supporting “civil unions”, where the gay folks can have all the same legal recognition/status as married people.

To begin with, they will NOT be satisfied with "civil unions".

Secondly, WHY would you even CONSIDER special rights for deviant behavior?! Homosexuality is a behavior. Since when do we give "rights" based on aberrant behavior that is unacceptable to society?

Two of the same cannot mate. It isn't possible.

14 posted on 08/26/2010 6:49:30 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: madprof98

People give up on this and we’ve lost it all.


15 posted on 08/26/2010 6:50:23 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Nosterrex

“Those committed to Biblical Christianity would stay home on election day”

Probably so, and they would be flaming A-holes for doing so. We are likely at our last chance to stop a literal socialist revolution and the total economic destruction of America. We better all be on the team in November, even if our pet peeve isnt dealt with. Once the Marxist economy is stopped, then we can hold republicans accountable for a much wider range of issues.

But this in not the election for the “one issue voter”, unless the issue is socialism. Staying home stamping your feet absolutely makes Obama’s day.


16 posted on 08/26/2010 7:00:07 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

It’s irrelevant because the GOP is not stupid (did i just say that, let me take that back). They don’t like to brag about it, but they realize that Americans have had 31 Referendums on Homosexual Marriage and it was defeated 31 times...even in lala land of California.

So, they go where the votes are.


17 posted on 08/26/2010 7:05:13 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (A loud band of PaulBots, Isolationists, Protectionists, 911Inside Jobnuts, 3rdParty Loud Irrelevants)
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To: DesertRhino

I understand your position, but there are issues that are far greater in importance than either Socialism or Marxism. What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, but lose his soul?


18 posted on 08/26/2010 7:05:58 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex; DesertRhino

Letting Democrats win isn’t the answer. Try to vote for conservatives and hold the Repubs feet to the fire. Liberals never listen to us. But Repubs are more receptive. And voting out incumbents WILL get attention.


19 posted on 08/26/2010 7:08:50 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DesertRhino

Well, you’d better tell everyone who will listen that abortions and homosexuality are national killers, because they are.


20 posted on 08/26/2010 7:09:58 PM PDT by donna (Obama Hauls Arizona Before the UN Human Rights Council. It's time to impeach Obama.)
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To: WingsofCourage
No one in common American society supports this degeneracy. NO ONE. Why do we let a handful of morally defunct pockets of cancer in a few of our nation’s coastal cities dictate the structure of our society?

This is the axiomatic statement of the day. And if we let these buggers get their way, then we can look forward to pedos, trannies, people who are into animals, polygamists and every other god awful plague becoming more vocal in coming years.

21 posted on 08/26/2010 7:20:58 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: DesertRenegade

I really don’t know why we Americans seem to now have the compulsion to turn religious and moral decision making authority over to politicians... the most despicable and amoral form of life on Earth.

Marriage is the province of religion; we need to keep it there.


22 posted on 08/26/2010 7:21:25 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Nosterrex

Did you get your dessert along with the meal when you were a kid? Of course not. There is a last GOLDEN chance to strike a death blow to this democrat party, which has brought us this 25 year march of depravity.

It’s insanity to focus on the small stuff. Keep your eye on the ball and destroy the democrats. The repubs will see what happened, and then we make more demands. Then the rollback begins.

It’s sheer lunacy to throw this one last chance away. A loss here will solidify Obama, and if you think things are bad now, it can get a LOT worse.

It’s like those bypassed islands in WWII. Full of heavily armed Japanese, yes. But they all whithered when we finally destroyed the government in Tokyo.
Bypass democrat distracting messes that divide our forces,,, lets go straight for the the heart of the beast. Everything else is nothing but a distraction.

We didn’t fight every island Japan held,, but they are all gone today. We went for the heart.


23 posted on 08/26/2010 7:23:42 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRenegade

What is the Democrat partys official position on this, and do the blacks and Hispanics know what it is?


24 posted on 08/26/2010 7:25:00 PM PDT by Sybeck1
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To: rbmillerjr

“It’s irrelevant because the GOP is not stupid “

I agree,, and one further, i think this whole gay thing coming now is specifically designed to weaken the coming counter-Obama revolt.


25 posted on 08/26/2010 7:25:59 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Try to vote for conservatives and hold the Repubs feet to the fire.”

I agree, and heaven only knows what other things we dare not dream of, can happen if we kill the party that has brough so much depravity to America.

A small example, Kagan the lesbo just got confirmed. Sure would be nice to have a repub senate for his next appointment. As someone else here mentioned, if gay marriage comes to America, it’ll come through the courts. We must have majorities to stop that front too.

I truly feel we can achieve so much more than we’ve ever dared to dream we could. I think we can stop them.


26 posted on 08/26/2010 7:31:10 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Exactly. Our civilization—what’s left of it—has gone stark raving mad!


27 posted on 08/26/2010 7:32:11 PM PDT by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: Sybeck1

The Democrats’ position is that of “civil unions” marriage doesn’t need to be redefined, but they can have whatever legal rights are associated with marriage. The Democrats take this position to get the votes, but they nominate or appoint liberal justices who rule in court in favor of redefining marriage. The best thing we can do right now is hold the GOP feet to the fire for any reckless spending they perform, and more likely than not a few will get the message from incumbents being kicked out of office. Once the GOP gets the message that bailouts are bad, or that reckless spending and deficits are not in the public interest, then we can really grill them on a long set of issues, including immigration, counterterrorism, and much more.


28 posted on 08/26/2010 7:36:01 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: DesertRhino

We can win if we have an engaged people. They have slept too long. I think they now recognize the danger. And vote accordingly.


29 posted on 08/26/2010 7:38:49 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: liberalism is suicide
Our civilization—what’s left of it—has gone stark raving mad!

Yup. Who could have ever envisioned this? My grandparents jaws would be on the floor. And that ANYONE would think it's inevitable is a defeatist.

30 posted on 08/26/2010 7:41:36 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: KoRn

I may agree with you there. However, the big front is grilling the Democrats and the RINOs on economics and immigration (i.e. failure at national security). Grill them for the bailouts, and grill them for largely doing little to none about the lawless situation on our nation’s borders. After this, when public pressure is shown that matters (i.e. incumbents being kicked out of office) we can take other issues to case.


31 posted on 08/26/2010 7:44:51 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: KoRn
"I believe they should go the route of supporting 'civil unions', where the gay folks can have all the same legal recognition/status as married people."

That makes no sense whatsoever. You are falling into the exact trap they want. Once you endorse and legitimize their lifestyle like that, they will go to the Courts over separate but equal. We need to speak frankly and honestly about their unhealthy lifestyle choice.

Reagan had the courage to speak out against these degenerates, why don't we?

Society has always regarded marital love as a sacred expression of the bond between a man and a woman. It is the means by which families are created and society itself is extended into the future. In the Judeo-Christian tradition it is the means by which husband and wife participate with God in the creation of a new human life. It is for these reasons, among others, that our society has always sought to protect this unique relationship. In part the erosion of these values has given way to a celebration of forms of expression most reject. We will resist the efforts of some to obtain government endorsement of homosexuality. -- Ronald Reagan, July 12, 1984.

32 posted on 08/26/2010 7:51:50 PM PDT by DesertRenegade
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To: dynachrome
This must be how the ‘pubs have decided to “blow” their opportunity in November. - Probably.
33 posted on 08/26/2010 7:53:47 PM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001 (A country can survive its fools, but it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: DesertRhino; Nosterrex

If you corner Christians by taking over their party and reversing the parties agenda, then you cannot expect them to join in and vote for Satan himself.

If you destroy the party, then you lose it’s adherents, that is the way reality works.


34 posted on 08/26/2010 7:54:31 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Yep, it’s absurd to cowtow to the homosexual electorate which is probably less than 1% of the population.


35 posted on 08/26/2010 7:56:48 PM PDT by DesertRenegade
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To: KoRn

“I believe they should go the route of supporting “civil unions”, where the gay folks can have all the same legal recognition/status as married people.
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It would be a win/win.”

(the following is as I recall reading of a chain of events, it’s close, but probably not perfect)

In 1990, Richard Darman (Bush-41 Budget Director and so-called budget hawk) came running into the Oval Office all excited, telling the President he FINALLY had VICTORY over the Democrats (who controlled Congress), as the Democrats agreed to freeze spending, and therefore the deficit would be wiped out. He had it right there, ON PAPER, with their signatures. Of course there was one other detail - the President had to agree to reverse his key pledge and allow increased taxes. The President agreed - and Bush found himself thrown out of office in 2 years. Needless to say, the paper the Dems had signed had all the credibility (to them) as the latest Soviet Arms Treaty.

For the first 4980 years of recorded human history, the term marriage (in whatever language, in whatever culture) meant ONE MAN and ONE WOMEN, and in most cases it was considered worthy of promotion by government (in some way), as a means of achieving a healthy society. Only in the past 20 years, have people decided that THEY KNOW BETTER and the concept is outdated. The proper response to the people is simply to say: GO TO HELL, we don’t have the vanity to think we know better than roughly 300 generations of human history.

The idea that we give the Democrats half a victory, or really two thirds of a victory, by recognizing “civil unions” is SICK. It is no different than Darman (like Chamberlain) holding that piece of paper and declaring VICTORY.

No, victory ONLY occurs when you defeat someone, not when you give them 67% of what they want (and a path to achieve the other 33%). THAT IS CALLED SUICIDE.


36 posted on 08/26/2010 8:01:08 PM PDT by BobL (The whole point of being human is knowing when the party's over.)
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To: DesertRhino
What may be small stuff to one person is not small stuff to another. If you had to choose between Hitler and Stalin in an election, would it really make much difference which one won? If two political parties promoted an ideology and practice contrary to what you believed, would it matter which one wins? If the GOP the supported same-sex marriage, abortion, embryonic stem cell research, and deficit spending, would you still support them?
37 posted on 08/26/2010 8:04:03 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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Both lists. This goes way, way beyond a niche "homosexual agenda" issues. Not that the homosexual agenda doesn't spread out and grab almost everyone sooner or later. But to have the GOP cave in to the homosexual agenda in any way at all not only leaves actual conservatives with NO WHERE TO GO (any GOP officials reading this? You should!) but Is a - please read carefully - GUARANTEED LOSS!

Yes, my friends, a guaranteed losing proposition. If people want social liberalism, or liberal socialism, they know exactly which lever to pull. The "D".

If the GOP becomes merely "D-lite" they are lost, toast, history, ruined and desreve to be thrown into the garbage can of history.

This effort to push the homosexual agenda within the Republican party is the effort of "gay" activist infiltrators and most likely GOP-ers who have skeletons in their closets.

38 posted on 08/26/2010 8:05:50 PM PDT by little jeremiah (.Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: little jeremiah

If this happens, then it is end of the GOP.

But then I suspect that the GOP is a lot more the “Gay Old Party” than the “Grand Old Party”, so it will come to that.


39 posted on 08/26/2010 8:12:26 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: gogogodzilla

It’s the militant homosexual agenda pusher who are forcing “marriage” via same sex marriage into politics.

Conservatives are merely defending the default, status quo, historical, reality based truth.


40 posted on 08/26/2010 8:13:54 PM PDT by little jeremiah (.Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: KoRn
If the left accepts the idea of “civil unions”, then the issue goes away...

You mean like it went away after California endorsed "civil unions" years ago? Wrong--give the homosexual lobby an inch and they want a mile.

There's a whole lot of us who, if the Repubs endorse "civil unions" (i.e. "marriage" in everything but name only) for SEXUAL PERVERTS, will also stay home on election day.

I will not endorse a party which tacitly endorses immorality and sexual degeneracy of any form--and there are many (many) millions like me....MORE than there are homosexually inclined Republicans by far.

41 posted on 08/26/2010 8:14:52 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Nosterrex

And religious believers of any religion. And plenty of people who are not stalwart believers in God but understand the difference between “real marriage” and “insanity”.


42 posted on 08/26/2010 8:15:06 PM PDT by little jeremiah (.Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Just who are the conservatives that hold the Repubs. feet to the fire? The same ones that get dumped and sidelined for more “mainstream” guys?
43 posted on 08/26/2010 8:16:12 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: DesertRenegade

The entire faux “identity” of the “gay community” is based on nothing other than perverted, unhealthy and unnatural sex acts. That is why their game plan has been all along to hide what they do, and present themselves as innocent, cleancut, normal victims of hatred and bigotry.

That’s why they hate any public photos or video of stuff like the Folsom Street Fair, or whatever it’s called.


44 posted on 08/26/2010 8:17:45 PM PDT by little jeremiah (.Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: KoRn

No. Since when is losing ground in a war considered a winning strategy?


45 posted on 08/26/2010 8:18:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (.Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: redgolum

People like the Tea Party. Citizens are getting loud. They are waking up.


46 posted on 08/26/2010 8:21:31 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DesertRhino

Why should we endorse people who don’t respect what we believe in? The Whig party died, and the Republican party would kill itself.


47 posted on 08/26/2010 8:21:46 PM PDT by BenKenobi (We cannot do everything at once, but we can do something at once. -Silent Cal)
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To: ansel12
Marriage is a word that describes a relationship between man and woman, it wasn’t a word that was seeking a definition.

Wow, well said!

48 posted on 08/26/2010 8:22:28 PM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: BenKenobi

So save a Democrats seat and stay home.


49 posted on 08/26/2010 8:23:40 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: madprof98
See my tagline!!!!

Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.

C.S.Lewis

50 posted on 08/26/2010 8:29:11 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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