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What part of ‘civilian control’ did you miss, Marine?
Stl today ^ | 8/26/10 | Editorial Board

Posted on 08/26/2010 7:28:23 PM PDT by Nachum

On Tuesday, lacking even the excuse that a Rolling Stone reporter tricked him, another top U.S. military commander thumbed his nose at President Barack Obama's policies in Afghanistan.

Marine Corps Commandant James T. Conway, 62, Tuesday told a roomful of reporters at the Pentagon that Mr. Obama's July 2011 deadline for beginning troop withdrawals from Afghanistan is "probably giving our enemy sustenance.... We've intercepted communications that say, ‘Hey, you know, we only have to hold out for so long.'"

Gen. Conway went on to say that Mr. Obama was no doubt "talking to several audiences" when he announced the July 2011 deadline, suggesting that the president may have being coy when he outlined his Afghanistan policy in a speech at West Point last December.

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Who are going to get to fight the war for you?
1 posted on 08/26/2010 7:28:25 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

The truth hurts doesn’t it bi-otch.


2 posted on 08/26/2010 7:30:11 PM PDT by keat
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To: Nachum
You, go, Gen, Conway! Semper Fi and do or die!

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
3 posted on 08/26/2010 7:31:50 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: Nachum

Perhaps the editorial needs to be taken to Afghanistan...and left on a high mountain outcropping.


4 posted on 08/26/2010 7:32:54 PM PDT by miele man
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To: Nachum

Perhaps the editorial board needs to be taken to Afghanistan...and left on a high mountain outcropping.


5 posted on 08/26/2010 7:33:33 PM PDT by miele man
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To: Nachum

I fail to see how a military commander being honest to media, is refusing orders, or threatening civilian control.

Since it continues to be amateur hour at the White House, maybe such commanders will help them get a grip, knowing this isn’t academic—and mens’ lives are at stake, not to mention our national interests now and in the far future.


6 posted on 08/26/2010 7:34:05 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Nachum
yes Civilian control... but that control was always assumed to be competent... not some affirmative action moron who wouldn't have even have gotten into college if it weren't for racial quotas
8 posted on 08/26/2010 7:35:04 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Nachum

Article 88 UCMJ is the controlling factor here. If Gen Conway has an issue, and he should, he must resign and voice his opinions then.When any general officer, particularly one who serves as a Chief questions POTUS publicly and is allowed to remain it weakens the office andcalls into question POTUS’s role as CiC.I’m not defending Obama but this is getting very very strange.


9 posted on 08/26/2010 7:35:55 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Nachum

Back in 2004 I said that as long as there was one Iraqi left who could give the US the finger as they left back to the States that this one Iraqi would be hailed as the Lion of Fallujah (or where ever) who drove the US out of Iraq.

And I still believe it today.


10 posted on 08/26/2010 7:36:25 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Nachum

He’s still following orders from the Community-Organizer-in-Chief, as one would expect from a Marine. He’s just trying to get a vital message to the socialist in our White House. Since the moron he works for doesn’t listen to people in uniform, he’s using the media to relay the message. Obama has handlers who listen to the media for him. There is no threat to civilian control here, just a Marine Corps general displaying appropriate loyalty to his men.


11 posted on 08/26/2010 7:38:28 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: xkaydet65

True enough, but that’s not exactly the tone of this revolting article.


12 posted on 08/26/2010 7:38:51 PM PDT by keat
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To: xkaydet65
it weakens the office and calls into question POTUS’s role as CiC.I’m not defending Obama but this is getting very very strange.

Very true. And these men know it better than we do. Obama must be putting a lot of men in harms way. The generals are throwing down the gauntlet. This could get ugly. Fast.

13 posted on 08/26/2010 7:39:36 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: miele man

I like yours better...


14 posted on 08/26/2010 7:41:44 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: mastervisa
"These Marine commanders are sick of this idiot President. The whole general staff is disrespecting omama. General McCrystal was willing to resign. It is the lowest morale ever."

I believe that if the Generals and Admirals don't get relief at the ballot box by Nov 2012, there will be a coup.

15 posted on 08/26/2010 7:44:11 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Nachum

Punk journalism.


16 posted on 08/26/2010 7:44:15 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: xkaydet65

I think Gen Conway is retiring at the end of the year.


17 posted on 08/26/2010 7:45:07 PM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: Nachum
From the article :

Wobbly. Please. Nine years and $327 billion into the war and the Marine commandant is quoting a lance corporal about going wobbly. Twenty- or 21-year-old lance corporals can think like that, but 62-year-old generals are supposed to have a better grasp of political reality.

Maybe the country is going "wobbly" because it has come to realize that this is a tribal war for nationhood fought by guerrillas who don't think like U.S. troops.

Maybe the country is going "wobbly" because it keeps hearing about our loyal ally, Afghan President Hamid Karzai, releasing his cronies from jail, where they had been tossed for corruption.

Maybe we can do the math and see the attrition rate from the Afghan security forces that we're spending billions to train is something on the order of 50 percent. Marines don't see lost causes. Other Americans do.

America owes Gen. Conway its thanks for his 40 years of service. It's too bad he chose to end it like this.

Screw the St. Louis Today website. There isn't anyone any of the scum on the "editorial" staff of that joke organization worthy to lick camel dung off the Commandants' boots.

Gen. Conway, Semper Fi, Sir.

18 posted on 08/26/2010 7:46:28 PM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is already insane and sequestered on golf courses or vacations so you won't know it)
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To: Eagle Eye

you are exactly right. Sadaam was given a hero’s welcome in IRAQ after he got his ass kicked in the 1st Gulf War....for standing up to the “Great Satan”.


19 posted on 08/26/2010 7:50:10 PM PDT by stylin19a (Never buy a putter until you first get a chance to throw it)
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To: Rashputin
"Gen. Conway, Semper Fi, Sir. "

Yes, the General is doing this nation, and this pice of sh!t President a great service by telling the truth...on his way out the door.

He's retiring in a month or two, already announced.

20 posted on 08/26/2010 7:52:34 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Nachum

The U.S. govt, legislative (including those “tea party conservatives” helping McCain), judiciary is totally corrupt and 100% behind Islam.

The Pentagon, military, DIA, CIA, NSA and other agencies are infested with Muslim Brotherhood moles and sympathesizers. Ditto ALL of TV and Hollywood.

The Marines may be the only institution left in America that has not been corrupt and Islamified.


21 posted on 08/26/2010 7:53:20 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: xkaydet65

It is strange. On the other hand, I would support a military coup right now. So the more criticism of hussein from the troops the better.


22 posted on 08/26/2010 7:55:07 PM PDT by gotribe
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To: miele man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvoPl—P7Mo


23 posted on 08/26/2010 7:55:31 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: Nachum

I knew E7s with 16 and 18 years who got out back in the ‘90s when Slick Willy was president because they couldn’t take it any more. It has to be much worse now.


24 posted on 08/26/2010 7:58:22 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Rashputin

“lick camel dung off the Commandants’ boots.”

I think you meant to say the lance corporals boots.


25 posted on 08/26/2010 7:59:40 PM PDT by jimpick
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To: miele man
Editorial Page Editor
Bailon, Gilbert
26 posted on 08/26/2010 7:59:48 PM PDT by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF - Year: 1972)
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To: Past Your Eyes

We had over 3 marines from a local base here in California recently. They were just the greatest young men. My 16 year old was so impressed, he asked them for (and recieved) a Marine hair cut. Made a great impression on him. And on us.

Young guys, just starting out. I pray for them.


27 posted on 08/26/2010 8:03:17 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Jim Conway is calling a spade a spade. He’s the straightest shooter within the Beltway. He will do anything to protect his Marines, even if the means calling a spade a spade.

Waiting in the wings is Jim Mattis, who (rightfully) believes that our enemies deserve killing.

I have personnaly known both of them and this country should be thankful that Marines such as these serve this Nation well.

Semper Fi,


28 posted on 08/26/2010 8:03:50 PM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (All sweat, no equity)
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To: Nachum
Consider the source - The St. Louis Post Disgrace is as left as the NY Slimes.We actually used to have a conservative paper here - The St. Louis Globe Democrat.
29 posted on 08/26/2010 8:07:07 PM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is hs fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: BlueMoose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxSeLRWPYxo&feature=related


30 posted on 08/26/2010 8:08:29 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: mastervisa

Uhm, then can damn well get his Birth Certificate and let’s compare it to the one Barry the Petulant found among his mother’s belongings in 1995 upon her passing.


31 posted on 08/26/2010 8:19:11 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: AnalogReigns

Dissent is only disloyal when the left doesn’t like it. F’em, get a competent leader and you will have followers.


32 posted on 08/26/2010 8:22:40 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Apercu

I miss the Globe-Democrat. (sigh)


33 posted on 08/26/2010 8:29:16 PM PDT by rwa265 (Christ my Cornerstone)
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To: Nachum

Civilian control does not trump the truth. Commanders at all levels have a duty to speak the truth. ZeroBama is a Moo-slim Marxist Kenyan. I’m enlisted (retired) but I have a duty to speak the truth, also. My Oath does not have an expiration date.


34 posted on 08/26/2010 8:29:38 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US Government to Kill Commies. Ain't that ironic?)
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To: Nachum

St. Louis and its politicians and journalists don’t fight for anything - they just surrender.

Hey St. Louis, how’s your crime rate these days?


35 posted on 08/26/2010 8:31:32 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: xkaydet65

Yes. My sympathies are with are fighting men and women, but... I hate to say it but there has to be order and public respect for the CIC. I don’t know if this crosses the line, but I am not comfortable with these types of articles. I abhor Obama, but there has to be respect and a unified front for the sake of the USA.


36 posted on 08/26/2010 8:31:51 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: Nachum

I don’t think the concept of civilian control has anything to do with this. It doesn’t mean service men have to pretend the president is smart, good looking, or knows anything about winning a war. All it should mean is that they obey orders or resign.


37 posted on 08/26/2010 8:33:56 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Eagle Eye

“. . . this one Iraqi would be hailed as the Lion of Fallujah (or where ever) who drove the US out of Iraq.”

Certainly by the LA and NY Times.


38 posted on 08/26/2010 8:34:54 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Nachum

I like the way Conway bitch-slapped soetoro, who can evidently do nothing but take it.


39 posted on 08/26/2010 8:42:51 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: xkaydet65

Then perhaps General Conway intends to send a more powerful message than we have heretofore supposed. If the purported Commander in Chief was in fact an imposter working for foreign interests, would 88 UCMJ still apply?:

“Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

If a man, one who has known and honored the highest principles of duty and fidelity to country embodied by the military code of justice, suddenly acts as if this one person should not be respected under that code, is he trying to tell us indirectly that he knows something he can’t tell us directly?


40 posted on 08/26/2010 8:45:25 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Nachum

What part of “KISS MY ASS” don’t you get, MEDIA?!


41 posted on 08/26/2010 8:47:47 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Past Your Eyes
I knew E7s with 16 and 18 years who got out back in the ‘90s when Slick Willy was president because they couldn’t take it any more. It has to be much worse now.

I had 13.5 years of active duty and national guard time when the Bush vs. Gore stuff was going on. I would not have re-enlisted and finished my 20 years if Gore had become POTUS.
42 posted on 08/26/2010 8:49:00 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: PghBaldy
I hate to say it but there has to be order and public respect for the CIC.

You've been watching too many Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood episodes. FUBO

43 posted on 08/26/2010 8:52:36 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: xkaydet65
If Gen Conway has an issue, and he should, he must resign...

The article mentions the General is retiring next month. I suspect the General staff sees SOOO much incompetance from 1600 PA Ave that they see very serious risks to national security--so they really want to get the word out, and pressure the White House to at least attempt to fly right, even if that means damaging their own personal careers and reputations.

44 posted on 08/26/2010 8:56:25 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: BlueMoose

Thank you for posting this birthday salute to the Marines.


45 posted on 08/26/2010 8:56:40 PM PDT by miele man
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To: Buddy B

Thank you very much.


46 posted on 08/26/2010 8:57:55 PM PDT by miele man
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

Jim Conway is calling a spade a spade.


YUP!

Semper Fi! Marine!


47 posted on 08/26/2010 9:16:28 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98) We need a straight flush in NOV.)
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To: xkaydet65

I do agree that the best advice for anyone who serves is to serve by the letter of their code. Serve with honor.

I do understand that many in the military are in dire need of support on how to deal with the left-wing attack that is going on. I want brave people to do what is right when neccesary but at the same time I would advice to seriously consider any actions that breach your code of conduct and put your self in danger that way.

This is one of the toughest issues for me because I want our troops to stand up for themselves. I do not want them to just accept having our Constitution trampled on but I also want them to be safe and secure in where any action leads them.

God Bless the United States Armed Forces. I could never repay my debt. I always vow my respect and gratitude.


48 posted on 08/26/2010 9:31:14 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: xrmusn

Comandant Gen Conway and SGT MAJ Kent are real Americans. I notice the the pride they have in todays marines.


49 posted on 08/26/2010 9:51:21 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS4nj4H050M&feature=related


50 posted on 08/26/2010 9:57:47 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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