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Top U.S. Marine suggests segregating gay Marines from “very religious” ones
Stripes Central ^ | August 24, 2010 | Top U.S. Marine suggests segregating gay Marines from “very religious” ones

Posted on 08/26/2010 11:03:34 PM PDT by Cvengr

In what was likely his last appearance in the Pentagon briefing room, soon-to-be retiring Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Conway once more waded into the “don’t ask, don’t tell” waters with his straight-shooter candor by suggesting that “very religious” Marines with “moral concerns” about homosexuality might not be forced to live with their gay battle buddies.

Marines are billeted – or assigned sleeping quarters – in twos. Already earlier this year, Conway told Military.com that he "would not ask our Marines" to bunk in the same rooms with openly gay Marines. But exactly what about cohabitation worried him was unclear.

On Tuesday, pressed to explain, Conway pointed to the religious morality argument. He said one solution the corps could consider is “perhaps a voluntary basis” in which those Marines who do not object to homosexuality would agree to take on billets with their fellow, openly gay Marines.

Pressed to explain further why he felt Marines, more than other service, are more outright opposed to allowing openly gay service, the commandant said:

“We recruit a certain type of young American – pretty macho guy or gal that is willing to go fight and perhaps die for their country,” he said.

“I can only think as we look as our mission, how we are forced to live in close proximity aboard ships, in the field for long periods of time and that type of thing…I just think all those things have impact on the Marines and we just as soon not see it change.”

Because the Marine Corps assigns living quarters by twos, they start off with a problem right out of the gate, once the “don’t ask, don’t tell” repeal takes effect, he said.

“I do not believe there is money out there…to allow every Marine to have a room by his or herself,” he said.

But the general said he expects Marine commanders to decide quickly once the old policy is dropped.

“If the law changes, we pride our corps in leading the services in many, many things and we’re gonna have to lead in this too,” Conway said.

“We cannot be seen as dragging our feet or in some way delaying implementation. We’ve got to, as the law changes, implement and get on with it.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atheisim; commandant; communism; dadt; dontaskdonttell; gay; homosexualagenda; marines; segregation; usmc
The root of this problem is a pagan perspective of the world. Instead of perceiving of how to live life through faith in what God has provided, our nation is being led by those who believe they can live independently of what God provides. Separation from God starts in one's thinking. Those who are not in fellowship with Him, simply identify religion as another thinking process in a worldly fashion.

Until the leadership of the US, and those of us who place them in positions of authority, begin to first think through faith in Christ, the hole is going to get much deeper before we can begin to climb out of it.

1 posted on 08/26/2010 11:03:39 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: Cvengr

ooh rah!


2 posted on 08/26/2010 11:08:46 PM PDT by dhuynh73 (Reagan Country)
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To: Cvengr

To those who say men should be forced to bunk with gay men, what exactly is the rationale for not forcing women to bunk with men?


3 posted on 08/26/2010 11:10:37 PM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: Cvengr; All
"“We cannot be seen as dragging our feet or in some way delaying implementation. We’ve got to, as the law changes, implement and get on with it.”"

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4 posted on 08/26/2010 11:11:35 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: NavVet

“To those who say men should be forced to bunk with gay men, what exactly is the rationale for not forcing women to bunk with men?”

There is no rationale for it.

The intent here is to weaken our military as much as possible, by introducing sexual politics into daily life, recognition, promotion, demotion, etc.


5 posted on 08/26/2010 11:13:59 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Cvengr

Proverbs 29:2

When the rightoue are in authority, the people rejoice; but when a wicked man rules, the people groan.


6 posted on 08/26/2010 11:22:14 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Cvengr

“But exactly what about cohabitation worried him was unclear.”

Isn’t it OBVIOUS?

What’s wrong with this person?


7 posted on 08/26/2010 11:23:29 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: musicman

I would sure appreciate that warning, especially if Jones went off for some partying before we shipped out.

Some of those men in that landing craft would probably already have small cuts, and as they hit the beaches, everybody would be creating bloody cuts and tears from the assertions and terrain and equipment, but there would also be gapin wounds and bloody messes, knowing who likes the HIV laden, anal sex, would be important information in those conditions.


8 posted on 08/26/2010 11:24:14 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Cvengr
"ARE YOU A PETER PUFFER?!?!?
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Correct Answer: SIR NO SIR!!!!!
9 posted on 08/26/2010 11:24:27 PM PDT by mkjessup ("Wait by the river and your enemies will float by" - old Japanese proverb, and I'm waitin'.)
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To: Persevero

It is a dangerous distraction and demoralizes and unfocused our military. We don’t shouldn’t want a Sodom and Gomorrah life style to dominate our military. Gays need to do something else, that is if they really CARE about our country and not looking for a hook-up in the bunk nearby. Homosexuality is disgusting.


10 posted on 08/26/2010 11:26:38 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: mkjessup
Some might CRY if you asked them that question and sashay away to report sexual harassment.
11 posted on 08/26/2010 11:27:42 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Cvengr
But exactly what about cohabitation worried him was unclear.

Spoken like a true fag. Among other things, Marines have enough to worry about in combat without worrying about swapping blood with a walking AIDS culture.

12 posted on 08/26/2010 11:29:20 PM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: nmh

By reading many of the comments from the source blog, it appears there are far fewer who grasp why it isn’t appropriate and should be criminal in a well disciplined military.

Not that this generation is necessarily any less sinful from past generations, but there was several generations where the leadership had a firmer grasp upon leading from a perspective faith through Christ and had been educated in that meaning than today’s authorities.


13 posted on 08/26/2010 11:30:19 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: NavVet

There is a growing trend to leverage off of the homosexuality movement towards depriving God given rights from men.


14 posted on 08/26/2010 11:31:33 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: nmh; Cvengr; manc
But exactly what about cohabitation worried him was unclear.”

How bout getting a good night's sleep without worrying about your homo bunkmate crawling into the sack with you offering you massages aka Massa?

Or how bout taking a shower or using the bathroom or gym without getting gawked at? Or having to deal with queers suddenly lovestruck for others in their unit?

15 posted on 08/26/2010 11:32:04 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: NavVet
What is the problem with asking someone who has chosen to identify himself by his sexual predilections just what abuse he prefers?

Is he sexually aroused by watching men undress? Does he like fondling little boys? Does he prefer mouthing anonymous genitals in dark public bathrooms? Does he connect electrodes to his genitals while being led around on a leash? Does he like to wallow in feces?

All the Cupcakes want to avoid discussing just what they DO to each other, because even THEY have a hard time justifying it.

Attacking them from a Christian axis is ineffective. They take pride in how their behaviors flout conventions. I would enjoy seeing a Lib trying to defend a blood smeared dildo on TV.

Therefore, let us ask just what those bahaviors are. Let them try to defend raping 7 year olds, or whipping themselves bloody, or sodomizing each other until they have permenantly damaged their sphincters.

16 posted on 08/26/2010 11:34:58 PM PDT by jonascord (We've got the Constitution to protect us. Why should we worry?)
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To: Cvengr

“We’ve got to, as the law changes, implement and get on with it.”

Get on with it? Immoral law is no law.

How about get on with frag-gin the queers while they sleep in their tents. “Implement” that policy and the problem will solve itself.

These freaks should be shouted down, and be forced to crawl back beneath the slimy rock they came out from under. They are sick individuals whose political activities will bring down this nation, because the rest of us do not take the action necessary to stop them.

The only way this garbage is going to stop is when real mean stand up and forcefully end this absurdity by whatever means possible. Tolerance? Here’s tolerance... the tolerance of the rifling in my 30-06 that will make sure the target is effectively engaged with one shot.

Those who foist this debauchery on American soldiers should be rounded up and publicly executed. and I don’t care what level of power or prestige they hold. Permanently end their ability to make decisions and be a threat to our civilization. We will end our problems in one week.


17 posted on 08/26/2010 11:46:39 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: jonascord
Something for everyone, attenHUT!


18 posted on 08/26/2010 11:48:36 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: Cvengr
exactly what about cohabitation worried him was unclear

Really? Do marines co-ed bunk? If not maybe they should look at why and that would answer the question about what worries him.

19 posted on 08/26/2010 11:59:49 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: TCH
I agree, the perverts are like snakes circling the hen house relentlessly trying to get in, they will not stop unless they're made to stop.
20 posted on 08/27/2010 12:04:46 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: Cvengr

There is no way allowing open homosexuals to serve is going to work. Would we let 18 year old straight male enlistees shower and bunk with nude females? The whole idea being pushed by Demrats and homosexual activists is insane.


21 posted on 08/27/2010 12:08:19 AM PDT by DesertRenegade
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To: Cvengr

Send in te Fighting 69th first. To see where the weak spots are. They could be very useful and prove their worth at the same time...Go 69th fighters!


22 posted on 08/27/2010 12:49:41 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: All

Dollars to donuts this issue is what motivated that douchebag Gates to ask if “America really needs a second army” meaning the USMC.

When the scumbag Clintonistas were gutting our “senior” services of their leadership with any real warfighting mindset through all that gender norming and feminizing programs pushed through, the USMC went 180 in the other direction.

The scumbags are still trying to figure out how to punish the USMC for not complying with the pu**ification campaign.

Oh, and, “repealing dont ask, dont tell” means going back to how it was prior to Clinton’s bullcrap, right? Doesn’t that mean going back to homosexuality being a punishable crime? I signed up in ‘79 and of the many docs I had to sign at AFES were two I recall well. Both swearing under penalty of perjury. One that I wasn’t a commiebastard and the other that I wasn’t a queer.

In boot camp, the day after we got picked up by our DIs, we had a health and hygiene inspection. The entire platoon stood naked at our racks at attention and got a visual inspection. Then one at a time we had to march to the head of the barracks, come to attention in front of the Company Commander. About face. Bend over and spread our cheeks. This was to make sure we didn’t have sloppy holes.

I also recall at least two queers getting busted while I was in. Both got some jail time out of it, iirc.

That is what they mean by “repealing DADT” right? Because it was DADT that changed all that. So, repealing means going back to how it was before, right?


23 posted on 08/27/2010 1:45:00 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Cvengr

The simple solution is making all gay units. Rear echelon units.


24 posted on 08/27/2010 1:45:52 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: mkjessup

Yeah, that segregation will work out well at Parris Island and San Diego recruit depots. My platoon had 72 men in one squad bay. Attended AE school at NAS Jax; 60 Marines in one squad bay. Stationed aboard the USS Princeton, 33 Marines in a compartment. Only at MCAS Beaufort was it “spacious”, four Marines to a cubicle.

I wonder what happens when the drill instructors flunk out the “Peter puffers”. That assumes that they are even allowed to enlist. They may not be up to phsyical standards.


25 posted on 08/27/2010 1:47:25 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Cvengr

Just guessing but I suspect there would be a LOT of people suddenly claiming to be gay if they learned this would get them away from the boys who come sit by you at chow and ask “Have you heard the good news”.


26 posted on 08/27/2010 1:55:30 AM PDT by tlb
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To: Cvengr
"...But exactly what about cohabitation worried him was unclear..."

What a damned idiot this writer is.

27 posted on 08/27/2010 3:30:50 AM PDT by rlmorel (America: Why should a product be deemed a failure if you ignore assembly and operation instructions?)
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To: Cvengr

Perfect synopsis of the National Ailment!


28 posted on 08/27/2010 3:33:40 AM PDT by don-o
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To: All

29 posted on 08/27/2010 3:33:44 AM PDT by rlmorel (America: Why should a product be deemed a failure if you ignore assembly and operation instructions?)
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To: Cvengr
But exactly what about cohabitation worried him was unclear.

I can think of a couple problems.
A straight and gay Marine are assigned the same quarters. The gay Marine makes an unwanted advance. A fight results. In the PC world who would be punished?
Two gay Marines are assigned the same quarters. They soon develop a sexual relationship. Straight Marines complain – why can’t their girl/boyfriends be their room mates?

Not the best thing for good order and discipline.

30 posted on 08/27/2010 4:05:36 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Cvengr

The Wikileak fiasco suggests that gays cannot be trusted.


31 posted on 08/27/2010 4:17:19 AM PDT by rsobin
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To: nmh

Queers are going to burn in Hell for eternity if they don’t repent and turn to the salvation offered in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary.


32 posted on 08/27/2010 4:40:36 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: Cvengr

God will sort this all out.


33 posted on 08/27/2010 4:44:39 AM PDT by Broker (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV))
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To: Cvengr

(sigh...)

“Gay Marine” just does not sound right...

WTF is the world comin to??


34 posted on 08/27/2010 4:46:35 AM PDT by sit-rep
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To: LibWhacker
Marines have enough to worry about in combat without worrying about swapping blood with a walking AIDS culture.

There ya go, the new policy:
You can be queer as you want, but you can't test positive for HIV.

35 posted on 08/27/2010 4:48:38 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate: Republicans freed the slaves Month.)
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I can think of a couple problems.

I can think of a few more, much worse problems, that have to do with open gays getting into the upper eschelons of the chain-of-command, as they surely will once the "door is opened." If they follow the model they've pursued in civilian organizations, expect pink ICBM bases, pink submarines, pink air-defense bases.

Expect our adversaries to know which is which, too.

36 posted on 08/27/2010 5:02:03 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: whatisthetruth

indeed.
No way would I want to share a room with some homo, what if they decided to have homo parties, after all they cannot help themselves in public, public bathrooms dog parks nature walk trails, they’re just sick on the head and then think we should accept them as normal, no way.

Look at the homo who gave classified info away to a nutty website because he pulled a temper tantrum.

To these people it is all about sex and nothing else, look at them wanting it in schools on their so called homo parades.

I’ve served and still know of others who are serving and I could not even write what they have told me if homo’s can skip around the base showing affection to others of the same sex.


37 posted on 08/27/2010 7:00:44 AM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: thethirddegree

LOts of them believe they are Christians.

Would you take someone seriously who is a serial sinner in such as confused way? I do’t have to be God to know He doesn’t.


38 posted on 08/27/2010 7:47:10 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Cvengr

Slaves to pleasure is becoming our norm.

Just look at our Commander in Chief.


39 posted on 08/27/2010 7:49:18 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Cvengr

Slaves to pleasure is becoming our norm.

Just look at our Commander in Chief.

If it is perverted, so much the more thrilling.


40 posted on 08/27/2010 7:49:55 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Persevero

I think it’s more sinister than just “weakening” the military.

The point is to get conservative Christians out of the military and replaced with State worshipping leftist minions

who will have no qualms about acting against American citizens who oppose the will of the State.


41 posted on 08/27/2010 7:51:44 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Steely Tom

I’ve had only limited experience with gays in the Army and retired nearly a quarter century ago.
Back in the 70s I had a gay cook on my boat, openly gay and a cross dresser. Neither I nor my crew had a problem. It was a great cook, never put the make on crew and we accepted it.
The next was my company commander, openly gay and it would come into the club with its boyfriend holding hands with its partner. It caused some problems but it had friends in high places.
The last were two women in my company when I was a 1st Sgt. They were room mates in the barracks and often had lover’s quarrels. Being 1st Sgt. I often had to step in. I wanted to split them up but none of the other women wanted either for a room mate. Everyone but the officers knew they were gay but they were darn good mechanics and we couldn’t afford to lose them. I finally had a heart to heart with them – my copy of the UCMJ on my desk. No more sex in the barracks (both were loud) and no more open displays of affection. They were to do like everyone else, find a motel. They took it to heart and things worked out.
All this was back before “Don’t ask, don’t tell.” If homosexuality is made legal in the military the problems would only increase. I can not see it as being in any way comparable to integrating Blacks. Homosexuality isn’t simply a disliked, it’s revulsion on the gut level.


42 posted on 08/27/2010 9:08:34 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Cvengr

Placemark for pinging later today.


43 posted on 08/27/2010 2:24:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Cvengr

I can’t imagine why any homosexual would want to be out of the closet in the military.


44 posted on 08/27/2010 2:26:01 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: rlmorel

that pic looks like obambi’s family seal.


45 posted on 08/31/2010 11:56:41 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: musicman

...actually, if “Jones” has been promiscuous prior to combat, it might be VERY important to know Jones is a homosexual if the time comes for blood transfusions...


46 posted on 09/22/2010 12:06:31 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: Cvengr

From a completely secular point of view, the General is saying that homo Marines will be able to room with partners, while straights will not.

What a benefit for the homosexuals. Free rooming with their lovers.

I wonder what happens if the couple has a spat? Do they then get to move out?


47 posted on 09/22/2010 12:11:38 PM PDT by MortMan (Obama's response to the Gulf oil spill: a four-putt.)
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