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EPA Now Accepting Public Comment on Petition to Ban Lead in Ammunition and Fishing Tackle
CNS NEWS.com ^ | August 26, 2010 | Susan Jones

Posted on 08/27/2010 3:01:43 AM PDT by Cindy

"EPA Now Accepting Public Comment on Petition to Ban Lead in Ammunition and Fishing Tackle" Thursday, August 26, 2010 By Susan Jones, Senior Editor

SNIPPET: "(CNSNews.com) – Environmental activists are pressing the Obama administration to ban the manufacture, processing and distribution lead shot, bullets, and fishing sinkers under the Toxic Substances Control Act of 1976, but hunting and Second Amendment groups say the EPA lacks the authority to do so, for starters."

SNIPPET: "The public comment period opened on Aug. 25 and ends on October 31. The EPA must decide whether to accept or reject the petition by November 1, 2010, the day before the midterm election."

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; ammo; ammunition; banglist; biggovernment; democrats; elections; epa; fishing; fishingtackle; idiotalert; impeachobama; liberals; obama; politics; secondamendment; stuckonstupid

1 posted on 08/27/2010 3:01:49 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy

Given that the EPA is a political organization and not a scientific one, this will be a hard decision.


2 posted on 08/27/2010 3:05:47 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: All

ON THE INTERNET:

www.regulations.gov/search/Regs/home.html#docketDetail?R=EPA-HQ-OPPT-2010-0681

www.regulations.gov/search/Regs/home.html#submitComment?R=0900006480b3974b


3 posted on 08/27/2010 3:05:47 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy

I don’t remember ever taking any sort of an oath of allegiance to the EPA either in school or anywhere else in life. This will kill the 2’nd amendment and start a second civil war.


4 posted on 08/27/2010 3:08:50 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: 1010RD

We need the second amendment more than we need the EPA


5 posted on 08/27/2010 3:09:53 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Cindy

What are the possible substitutes? Stainless steel, aluminum, copper, silver, gold, platinum?


6 posted on 08/27/2010 3:11:18 AM PDT by Son House (Like Getting Liposuction, and Coming Out Fatter. Time to Convict Democrats of Economic Malpractice.)
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To: 1010RD

I think I’ll vote with the TEA party on this one too, if Democrats and bureaucrats will still allow that...


7 posted on 08/27/2010 3:11:36 AM PDT by Son House (Like Getting Liposuction, and Coming Out Fatter. Time to Convict Democrats of Economic Malpractice.)
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To: gusopol3

Agreed and the war on lead is mythological. The metallic form has a low bio-availability and low toxicity. Water services serving millions of Americans are lead.

The attack on lead is bad science and now it is anti-American.


8 posted on 08/27/2010 3:14:15 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Son House

Set aside enough money for bail, just in case.


9 posted on 08/27/2010 3:14:59 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Son House; Cindy

“What are the possible substitutes? Stainless steel, aluminum, copper, silver, gold, platinum?”

Somehow, “I’ll pump ya full of steel (or aluminum, copper, silver, gold, platinum)” doesn’t have the same ring to it.


10 posted on 08/27/2010 3:15:57 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Son House

Silver makes a lousy bullet. I would think aluminum with a steel core would work. And I have a short (Two word) comment for the EPA.


11 posted on 08/27/2010 3:17:32 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: Son House

Bullets can be made from copper but there’s almost no reasonable substitute for lead shot, anything else close to being as dense is expensive. That is, bullets for center-fire weapons can be made from copper, but a 22 might not really have the power to move copper bullets across rifling and most rimfire weapons could not easily be cleaned for copper fouling. Such a law might spell the end of the 22 and other new rimfire calibers.


12 posted on 08/27/2010 3:26:14 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: All

That is, you’re probably talking about getting rid of shotguns and 22s.


13 posted on 08/27/2010 3:26:57 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

Well then wendy1946,
Ya’d best get armed and prepared


15 posted on 08/27/2010 3:29:26 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Obammy is little more than a quota boy.)
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To: BigCinBigD
C'mon, Tonto .. get up ... we gutta' get to work



16 posted on 08/27/2010 3:32:06 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Son House

“What are the possible substitutes? Stainless steel, aluminum, copper, silver, gold, platinum?”

If the Lefty looney PC crowd have their way.....cottonballs!


17 posted on 08/27/2010 3:32:16 AM PDT by Mrs. B.S. Roberts
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To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts

How about we ban liberals and eco terrorists. We could use up all stocks of banned lead to eradicate them.


18 posted on 08/27/2010 3:45:17 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: Cindy

these bastards are completely out of control and need to be shut down.


19 posted on 08/27/2010 3:54:31 AM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: Cindy

No problem. People can simply use depleted uranium instead.


20 posted on 08/27/2010 4:11:27 AM PDT by cartan
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To: Cindy
Just a smidgen of previous posts on this topic:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2578257/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2578180/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2577874/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2577898/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2577848/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2577814/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2577292/posts

21 posted on 08/27/2010 4:21:09 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Son House

Depleted uranium! But, silver bullets might work best on these vampires. LOL.


22 posted on 08/27/2010 4:31:15 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: 1010RD
...the war on lead is mythological.

There have been groups pushing the EPA to ban lead wheel weights because they fall off vehicles and accumulate along roadways.

Even though lead is present around roadways, these groups (and the EPA) have been unable to demonstrate that runoff water from roadways becomes contaminated with lead.

In other words, the lead is not soluble and does not leech when sitting in pools of water for extended periods of time.

This all makes sense, scientifically, but liberals do not care about science.

23 posted on 08/27/2010 4:55:59 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Cindy

I’d be into depleted uranium.


24 posted on 08/27/2010 4:59:28 AM PDT by DCmarcher-976453 (SARAH PALIN 2012)
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To: Son House
What are the possible substitutes? Stainless steel, aluminum, copper, silver, gold, platinum?

Bismuth.

Its next to lead on the periodic table, with similar chemical and physical properties, but not nearly as toxic as lead.

25 posted on 08/27/2010 5:04:55 AM PDT by Spirochete (Just say NO to RINOs)
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To: Cindy

I’m more than willing to turn over all my lead to the government. In one way, or another.


26 posted on 08/27/2010 5:07:27 AM PDT by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout")
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To: Spirochete

At 1200 fps, I’d say it’d be toxic enough!


27 posted on 08/27/2010 5:17:03 AM PDT by pingman (Price is what you pay, value is what you get.)
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To: Cindy
Posted yesterday
28 posted on 08/27/2010 5:24:29 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: cartan

“People can simply use depleted uranium instead.”

No where I can get some?


29 posted on 08/27/2010 5:37:05 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: Yo-Yo

yep, I’ve seen this posted for the last couple of days. Sent a couple to Drudge and so far ignored.

Is there really any possibility of this happening?

Might as well post “the left want to Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.” because the Georgia Guide stones say so.


30 posted on 08/27/2010 5:41:43 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts
“What are the possible substitutes? Stainless steel, aluminum, copper, silver, gold, platinum?”

Here's what the EPA wants us to use.


31 posted on 08/27/2010 6:01:58 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: Cindy
If Lead was so toxic, then I'm not here. I'm already DEAD.
Where I lived growing up, was a company called NALCO, The National LEAD Company. They were a foundry and it was one block away.

They dumped all their sand from the foundry molds on property us kids called The Sand Hills. We played War there (Like attacking Iwo Jima), and on another spot played Baseball in their 'Sand Lot'. We were there almost every day from spring through fall.

Mixed with this sand was LEAD. Which we'd find and make fishing sinkers and other trinkets, sucking up the LEAD fumes over the little fire we made to melt the lead in an old soup can we'd find and pour into a mold we made from the sand.

None of us grew another eye, got cancer or any fatal disease from playing there.

So from my personal experience I'm a tad skeptical of this frenzy to outlaw lead. Oh and all our house and apartments had LEAD based paint on the walls too.

It was yummy with some butter & sugar on top. /s

32 posted on 08/27/2010 6:18:46 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: Cindy

Dear EPA...

GO EFF YOURSELF


33 posted on 08/27/2010 6:20:02 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Patrick Henry and Joe Wilson...Patriots past and present!)
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To: Son House

Bizmuth.

We have to use it during duck season.

It works but it’s $.


34 posted on 08/27/2010 6:50:41 AM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: vanilla swirl
No where I can get some?
Amazon? And check this out!
35 posted on 08/27/2010 7:01:22 AM PDT by cartan
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To: Cindy

Ok, it’s official!
On Drudge now!

http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/epa-reviewing-request-ban-led-bullets


36 posted on 08/27/2010 7:30:30 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: Yo-Yo

It’s official now on Drudge!

http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/epa-reviewing-request-ban-led-bullets


37 posted on 08/27/2010 7:33:49 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: vanilla swirl
"EPA Now Accepting Public Comment on Petition to Ban Lead in Ammunition and Fishing Tackle"

Which roughly translated means they'll do what they want. A lot like "trials" before public hangings in the 1500s. The EPA and it's little bratty sister, the D.E.C. banned open burning in the state of NY. Usually they schedule the "public comment" sessions when everyone is at work, then do as they please regardless. It's merely a formality before they drop the hammer.

38 posted on 08/27/2010 8:33:24 AM PDT by AbolishCSEU
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To: vanilla swirl
It’s official now on Drudge!

Yay! Your persistance paid off.

39 posted on 08/27/2010 9:03:37 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: cartan

Why not just use unobtainium?


40 posted on 08/27/2010 2:14:23 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: wendy1946
This will kill the 2’nd amendment and start a second civil war.

Very doubtful.

We are much more a nation of sheep than of lions. There is no way this would start a civil war. We would take it lying down. I like to think I am not one of the sheep per say - I am more studious, knowledgable, am willing to vote AGAINST my incumbents, am willing to write letters to my representatives, etc...

That said, I would not go to war over a ban on lead ammo, as unconstitutional as it is - and as much as I would support both a legal battle and a reduced role for the fed EPA with both my dollars and my time.

There would be no civil war because the market would quickly supply an alternate or two. These would be expensive and would cause great bellyaching and whining, but no civil war.

The 5-shot/year hunter would hardly be affected by it. He sights in 3 shots at the bench and then takes 2 shots in the field. $2 per shot rifle ammo is not going to destroy his standard of living.

The recreational shooter would see a huge rise in cost and simply reduce the amount he is shooting. He too will whine over beers but tolerate it. Many of these people have a surplus of ammunition at home to buffer the transition to the more expensive ammo, so they would be upset only as they phased in purchases. This would act like the slowly boiling frog to make it less painful on the recreational shooter, and he would be even less rabid in his condemnation.

No civil war. Gripes. Complaints. Whining. No change n voting pattern since the socialist liberal Obama supporters don't by and large shoot anyway, and the shooters don't by and large vote Democrat - so nothing new there. Nope, no civil war - just a grudging, whining acceptance.

BLOAT.

41 posted on 08/27/2010 2:35:50 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free ("I am pessimistic and fighting become despairing," Thomas Sowell to Walter Williams, 8-24-10.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

The two things this would kill would be the shotgun and the 22, i.e. the very two weapons people need to put food on the table in hard times.


42 posted on 08/27/2010 5:04:45 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Erik Latranyi

We need a lead fact sheet that we can send viral. Then we need to retake Congress and hold it for a generation or two.


43 posted on 08/28/2010 5:23:02 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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UPDATE:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2585080/posts

“EPA Rejects Calls to Ban Lead in Ammo”
Fox ^ | Aug 27,2010 | Foxnews
Posted on September 8, 2010 2:31:46 AM PDT by djf


44 posted on 09/08/2010 2:37:23 AM PDT by Cindy
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