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Obama's Fascinating Interview with Cathleen Falsani: Obama's "Christian Faith" In His Own Words
Beliefnet ^ | November 11, 2008 | Steven Waldman

Posted on 08/27/2010 12:43:16 PM PDT by tefis

At 3:30 p.m. on Saturday, March 27, 2004, when I was the religion reporter (I am now its religion columnist) at the Chicago Sun-Times, I met then-State Sen. Barack Obama at Café Baci, a small coffee joint at 330 S. Michigan Avenue in Chicago, to interview him exclusively about his spirituality. Our conversation took place a few days after he'd clinched the Democratic nomination for the U.S. Senate seat that he eventually won. We spoke for more than an hour. He came alone. He answered everything I asked without notes or hesitation. The profile of Obama that grew from the interview at Cafe Baci became the first in a series in the Sun-Times called "The God Factor," that eventually became my first book, The God Factor: Inside the Spiritual Lives of Public People (FSG, March 2006.) Because of the staggering interest in now President-Elect Obama's faith and spiritual predilections, I thought it might be helpful to share that interivew, uncut and in its entirety, here. --Cathleen Falsani

Interview with State Sen. Barack Obama 3:30 p.m., Saturday March 27 Café Baci, 330 S. Michigan Avenue

Me: decaf He: alone, on time, grabs a Naked juice protein shake

FALSANI: What do you believe?

OBAMA: I am a Christian.

So, I have a deep faith. So I draw from the Christian faith.

On the other hand, I was born in Hawaii where obviously there are a lot of Eastern influences.

I lived in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, between the ages of six and 10.

My father was from Kenya, and although he was probably most accurately labeled an agnostic, his father was Muslim.

And I'd say, probably, intellectually I've drawn as much from Judaism as any other faith.

(A patron stops and says, "Congratulations," shakes his hand. "Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Thank you.")

So, I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people. That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there's an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived.

And so, part of my project in life was probably to spend the first 40 years of my life figuring out what I did believe - I'm 42 now - and it's not that I had it all completely worked out, but I'm spending a lot of time now trying to apply what I believe and trying to live up to those values.

FALSANI: Have you always been a Christian?

OBAMA: I was raised more by my mother and my mother was Christian.

FALSANI: Any particular flavor?

OBAMA: No.

My grandparents who were from small towns in Kansas. My grandmother was Methodist. My grandfather was Baptist. This was at a time when I think the Methodists felt slightly superior to the Baptists. And by the time I was born, they were, I think, my grandparents had joined a Universalist church.

So, my mother, who I think had as much influence on my values as anybody, was not someone who wore her religion on her sleeve. We'd go to church for Easter. She wasn't a church lady.

As I said, we moved to Indonesia. She remarried an Indonesian who wasn't particularly, he wasn't a practicing Muslim. I went to a Catholic school in a Muslim country. So I was studying the Bible and catechisms by day, and at night you'd hear the prayer call.

So I don't think as a child we were, or I had a structured religious education. But my mother was deeply spiritual person, and would spend a lot of time talking about values and give me books about the world's religions, and talk to me about them. And I think always, her view always was that underlying these religions were a common set of beliefs about how you treat other people and how you aspire to act, not just for yourself but also for the greater good.

And, so that, I think, was what I carried with me through college. I probably didn't get started getting active in church activities until I moved to Chicago.

The way I came to Chicago in 1985 was that I was interested in community organizing and I was inspired by the Civil Rights movement. And the idea that ordinary people could do extraordinary things. And there was a group of churches out on the South Side of Chicago that had come together to form an organization to try to deal with the devastation of steel plants that had closed. And didn't have much money, but felt that if they formed an organization and hired somebody to organize them to work on issues that affected their community, that it would strengthen the church and also strengthen the community.

So they hired me, for $13,000 a year. The princely sum. And I drove out here and I didn't know anybody and started working with both the ministers and the lay people in these churches on issues like creating job training programs, or afterschool programs for youth, or making sure that city services were fairly allocated to underserved communites.

This would be in Roseland, West Pullman, Altgeld Gardens, far South Side working class and lower income communities.

And it was in those places where I think what had been more of an intellectual view of religion deepened because I'd be spending an enormous amount of time with church ladies, sort of surrogate mothers and fathers and everybody I was working with was 50 or 55 or 60, and here I was a 23-year-old kid running around.

I became much more familiar with the ongoing tradition of the historic black church and it's importance in the community.

And the power of that culture to give people strength in very difficult circumstances, and the power of that church to give people courage against great odds. And it moved me deeply.

So that, one of the churches I met, or one of the churches that I became involved in was Trinity United Church of Christ. And the pastor there, Jeremiah Wright, became a good friend. So I joined that church and committed myself to Christ in that church.

FALSANI: Did you actually go up for an altar call?

OBAMA: Yes. Absolutely.

It was a daytime service, during a daytime service. And it was a powerful moment. Because, it was powerful for me because it not only confirmed my faith, it not only gave shape to my faith, but I think, also, allowed me to connect the work I had been pursuing with my faith.

FALSANI: How long ago?

OBAMA: 16, 17 years ago. 1987 or 88

FALSANI: So you got yourself born again?

OBAMA: Yeah, although I don't, I retain from my childhood and my experiences growing up a suspicion of dogma. And I'm not somebody who is always comfortable with language that implies I've got a monopoly on the truth, or that my faith is automatically transferable to others.

I'm a big believer in tolerance. I think that religion at it's best comes with a big dose of doubt. I'm suspicious of too much certainty in the pursuit of understanding just because I think people are limited in their understanding.

I think that, particularly as somebody who's now in the public realm and is a student of what brings people together and what drives them apart, there's an enormous amount of damage done around the world in the name of religion and certainty.

FALSANI Do you still attend Trinity?

OBAMA: Yep. Every week. 11 oclock service.

Ever been there? Good service.

I actually wrote a book called Dreams from My Father, it's kind of a meditation on race. There's a whole chapter on the church in that, and my first visits to Trinity.

FALSANI: Do you pray often?

OBAMA: Uh, yeah, I guess I do.

Its' not formal, me getting on my knees. I think I have an ongoing conversation with God. I think throughout the day, I'm constantly asking myself questions about what I'm doing, why am I doing it.

One of the interesting things about being in public life is there are constantly these pressures being placed on you from different sides. To be effective, you have to be able to listen to a variety of points of view, synthesize viewpoints. You also have to know when to be just a strong advocate, and push back against certain people or views that you think aren't right or don't serve your constituents.

And so, the biggest challenge, I think, is always maintaining your moral compass. Those are the conversations I'm having internally. I'm measuring my actions against that inner voice that for me at least is audible, is active, it tells me where I think I'm on track and where I think I'm off track.

It's interesting particularly now after this election, comes with it a lot of celebrity. And I always think of politics as having two sides. There's a vanity aspect to politics, and then there's a substantive part of politics. Now you need some sizzle with the steak to be effective, but I think it's easy to get swept up in the vanity side of it, the desire to be liked and recognized and important. It's important for me throughout the day to measure and to take stock and to say, now, am I doing this because I think it's advantageous to me politically, or because I think it's the right thing to do? Am I doing this to get my name in the papers or am I doing this because it's necessary to accomplish my motives.

FALSANI: Checking for altruism?

OBAMA: Yeah. I mean, something like it.

Looking for, ... It's interesting, the most powerful political moments for me come when I feel like my actions are aligned with a certain truth. I can feel it. When I'm talking to a group and I'm saying something truthful, I can feel a power that comes out of those statements that is different than when I'm just being glib or clever.

FALSANI: What's that power? Is it the holy spirit? God?

OBAMA: Well, I think it's the power of the recognition of God, or the recognition of a larger truth that is being shared between me and an audience.

That's something you learn watching ministers, quite a bit. What they call the Holy Spirit. They want the Holy Spirit to come down before they're preaching, right? Not to try to intellectualize it but what I see is there are moments that happen within a sermon where the minister gets out of his ego and is speaking from a deeper source. And it's powerful.

There are also times when you can see the ego getting in the way. Where the minister is performing and clearly straining for applause or an Amen. And those are distinct moments. I think those former moments are sacred.

FALSANI: Who's Jesus to you?

(He laughs nervously)

OBAMA: Right.

Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he's also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.

And he's also a wonderful teacher. I think it's important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.

FALSANI: Is Jesus someone who you feel you have a regular connection with now, a personal connection with in your life?

OBAMA: Yeah. Yes. I think some of the things I talked about earlier are addressed through, are channeled through my Christian faith and a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

FALSANI: Have you read the bible?

OBAMA: Absolutely.

I read it not as regularly as I would like. These days I don't have much time for reading or reflection, period.

FALSANI: Do you try to take some time for whatever, meditation prayer reading?

OBAMA: I'll be honest with you, I used to all the time, in a fairly disciplined way. But during the course of this campaign, I don't. And I probably need to and would like to, but that's where that internal monologue, or dialogue I think supplants my opportunity to read and reflect in a structured way these days.

It's much more sort of as I'm going through the day trying to take stock and take a moment here and a moment there to take stock, why am I here, how does this connect with a larger sense of purpose.

FALSANI: Do you have people in your life that you look to for guidance?

OBAMA: Well, my pastor [Jeremiah Wright] is certainly someone who I have an enormous amount of respect for.

I have a number of friends who are ministers. Reverend Meeks is a close friend and colleague of mine in the state Senate. Father Michael Pfleger is a dear friend, and somebody I interact with closely.

FALSANI: Those two will keep you on your toes.

OBAMA: And theyr'e good friends. Because both of them are in the public eye, there are ways we can all reflect on what's happening to each of us in ways that are useful.

I think they can help me, they can appreciate certain specific challenges that I go through as a public figure.

FALSANI: Jack Ryan [Obama's Republican opponent in the U.S. Senate race at the time] said talking about your faith is frought with peril for a public figure.

OBAMA: Which is why you generally will not see me spending a lot of time talking about it on the stump.

Alongside my own deep personal faith, I am a follower, as well, of our civic religion. I am a big believer in the separation of church and state. I am a big believer in our constitutional structure. I mean, I'm a law professor at the University of Chicago teaching constitutional law. I am a great admirer of our founding charter, and its resolve to prevent theocracies from forming, and its resolve to prevent disruptive strains of fundamentalism from taking root ion this country.

As I said before, in my own public policy, I'm very suspicious of religious certainty expressing itself in politics.

Now, that's different form a belief that values have to inform our public policy. I think it's perfectly consistent to say that I want my government to be operating for all faiths and all peoples, including atheists and agnostics, while also insisting that there are values tha tinform my politics that are appropriate to talk about.

A standard line in my stump speech during this campaign is that my politics are informed by a belief that we're all connected. That if there's a child on the South Side of Chicago that can't read, that makes a difference in my life even if it's not my own child. If there's a senior citizen in downstate Illinois that's struggling to pay for their medicine and having to chose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer even if it's not my grandparent. And if there's an Arab American family that's being rounded up by John Ashcroft without the benefit of due process, that threatens my civil liberties.

I can give religious expression to that. I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper, we are all children of God. Or I can express it in secular terms. But the basic premise remains the same. I think sometimes Democrats have made the mistake of shying away from a conversation about values for fear that they sacrifice the important value of tolerance. And I don't think those two things are mutually exclusive.

FALSANI: Do you think it's wrong for people to want to know about a civic leader's spirituality?

OBAMA: I don't' think it's wrong. I think that political leaders are subject to all sorts of vetting by the public, and this can be a component of that.

I think that I am disturbed by, let me put it this way: I think there is an enormous danger on the part of public figures to rationalize or justify their actions by claiming God's mandate.

I think there is this tendency that I don't think is healthy for public figures to wear religion on their sleeve as a means to insulate themselves from criticism, or dialogue with people who disagree with them.

FALSANI: The conversation stopper, when you say you're a Christian and leave it at that.

OBAMA: Where do you move forward with that?

This is something that I'm sure I'd have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and prostelytize. There's the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven't embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they're going to hell.

FALSANI: You don't believe that?

OBAMA: I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell.

I can't imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity.

That's just not part of my religious makeup.

Part of the reason I think it's always difficult for public figures to talk about this is that the nature of politics is that you want to have everybody like you and project the best possible traits onto you. Oftentimes that's by being as vague as possible, or appealing to the lowest commong denominators. The more specific and detailed you are on issues as personal and fundamental as your faith, the more potentially dangerous it is.

FALSANI: Do you ever have people who know you're a Christian question a particular stance you take on an issue, how can you be a Christian and ...

OBAMA: Like the right to choose.

I haven't been challenged in those direct ways. And to that extent, I give the public a lot of credit. I'm always stuck by how much common sense the American people have. They get confused sometimes, watch FoxNews or listen to talk radio. That's dangerous sometimes. But generally, Americans are tolerant and I think recognize that faith is a personal thing, and they may feel very strongly about an issue like abortion or gay marriage, but if they discuss it with me as an elected official they will discuss it with me in those terms and not, say, as 'you call yourself a Christian.' I cannot recall that ever happening.

FALSANI: Do you get questions about your faith?

OBAMA: Obviously as an African American politician rooted in the African American community, I spend a lot of time in the black church. I have no qualms in those settings in participating fully in those services and celebrating my God in that wonderful community that is the black church.

(he pauses) But I also try to be . . . Rarely in those settings do people come up to me and say, what are your beliefs. They are going to presume, and rightly so. Although they may presume a set of doctrines that I subscribe to that I don't necessarily subscribe to.

But I don't think that's unique to me. I think that each of us when we walk into our church or mosque or synagogue are interpreting that experience in different ways, are reading scriptures in different ways and are arriving at our own understanding at different ways and in different phases.

I don't know a healthy congregation or an effective minister who doesn't recognize that.

If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, and that was all there was to it, people wouldn't have to keep coming to church, would they.

FALSANI: Do you believe in heaven?

OBAMA: Do I believe in the harps and clouds and wings?

FALSANI: A place spiritually you go to after you die?

OBAMA: What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded. I don't presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.

When I tuck in my daughters at night and I feel like I've been a good father to them, and I see in them that I am transferring values that I got from my mother and that they're kind people and that they're honest people, and they're curious people, that's a little piece of heaven.

FALSANI: Do you believe in sin?

OBAMA: Yes.

FALSANI: What is sin?

OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.

FALSANI: What happens if you have sin in your life?

OBAMA: I think it's the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I'm true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I'm not true to it, it's its own punishment.

FALSANI: Where do you find spiritual inspiration? Music, nature, literature, people, a conduit you plug into?

OBAMA: There are so many.

Nothing is more powerful than the black church experience. A good choir and a good sermon in the black church, it's pretty hard not to be move and be transported.

I can be transported by watching a good performance of Hamlet, or reading Toni Morrison's Song of Solomon, or listening to Miles Davis.

FALSANI: Is there something that you go back to as a touchstone, a book, a particular piece of music, a place ...

OBAMA: As I said before, in my own sort of mental library, the Civil Rights movement has a powerful hold on me. It's a point in time where I think heaven and earth meet. Because it's a moment in which a collective faith transforms everything. So when I read Gandhi or I read King or I read certain passages of Abraham Lincoln and I think about those times where people's values are tested, I think those inspire me.

FALSANI: What are you doing when you feel the most centered, the most aligned spiritually?

OBAMA: I think I already described it. It's when I'm being true to myself. And that can happen in me making a speech or it can happen in me playing with my kids, or it can happen in a small interaction with a security guard in a building when I'm recognizing them and exchanging a good word.

FALSANI: Is there someone you would look to as an example of how not to do it?

OBAMA: Bin Laden.

(grins broadly)

FALSANI: ... An example of a role model, who combined everything you said you want to do in your life, and your faith?

OBAMA: I think Gandhi is a great example of a profoundly spiritual man who acted and risked everything on behalf of those values but never slipped into intolerance or dogma. He seemed to always maintain an air of doubt about him.

I think Dr. King, and Lincoln. Those three are good examples for me of people who applied their faith to a larger canvas without allowing that faith to metasticize into something that is hurtful.

FALSANI: Can we go back to that morning service in 1987 or 88 -- when you have a moment that you can go back to that as an epiphany...

OBAMA: It wasn't an epiphany.

It was much more of a gradual process for me. I know there are some people who fall out. Which is wonderful. God bless them. For me it was probably because there is a certain self-consciousness that I possess as somebody with probably too much book learning, and also a very polyglot background.

FALSANI: It wasn't like a moment where you finally got it? It was a symbol of that decision?

OBAMA: Exactly. I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me

Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen.html#ixzz1eu2cda2X


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1 posted on 08/27/2010 12:43:19 PM PDT by tefis
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To: tefis
Sin is "being out of alignment with my own values."
"Many paths to the same place."
"If I live life as well as I can, I will be rewarded."

2 posted on 08/27/2010 12:44:34 PM PDT by Genoa (Titus 2:13)
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To: tefis

The Bible tells me not to judge, lest I be judged.

But I don’t believe this for one moment. The man may have been sincere back then, but I do not believe he has this country’s founding Judeo-Christian faith in interest.


3 posted on 08/27/2010 12:48:16 PM PDT by hoe_cake ( Society of the Descendants of the Signers of the Constitution)
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To: Genoa

And he calls this Christianity?


4 posted on 08/27/2010 12:49:02 PM PDT by tefis
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To: Genoa

Sin is “being out of alignment with my own values.”


Satan implied this - “you will be as gods, knowing good and evil”

“Many paths to the same place”


Oh, really - what place is that? Broad is the path to destruction. No one comes unto the Father but by [Jesus].

“If I live life as well as I can, I will be rewarded.”


if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly (Gal 2:21)

So, why would 0bama make all these statements proving he’s NOT a Christian?


5 posted on 08/27/2010 12:51:33 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: tefis

According to this Newsweek article Hussein isn’t sure whether or not Jesus is the Son of God.

Finding His Faith
by Lisa Miller
July 12, 2008
Obama embarked on a spiritual quest in which he tried to reconcile his rational side with his yearning for transcendence. He found Christ—but that hasn’t stopped him from asking questions. “I’m on my own faith journey and I’m searching,” he says. “I leave open the possibility that I’m entirely wrong.”

http://www.newsweek.com/2008/07/11/finding-his-faith.html


6 posted on 08/27/2010 12:52:00 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: tefis
I think I have an ongoing conversation with God. I think throughout the day, I'm constantly asking myself questions about what I'm doing, why am I doing it.
7 posted on 08/27/2010 12:52:03 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: tefis
Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he's also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.

And he's also a wonderful teacher. I think it's important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.

Muzzies recognize Jesus as a "teacher and profit", but .......

Never once did he say that Jesus was the son of God. Never once did he describe him as the savior of man. You tell me what he is.

8 posted on 08/27/2010 12:52:13 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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Not a Christan alert....” What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded. “

This interview should once and for all confirm Obama is not a Christian. None of what I read makes Obama a Christian in any way, even by the most liberal definition of what it is to be a follower of Jesus. His answers are a hodgepodge of muddled and confused agnostic cliches and Joel Oesteen feel good pseudo Christian babble. Good interview and finally we can put this issue to rest, sorry Barry you believe in you own goodness and in no need of a savior that by definition means you are going to hell. Not my word's ..Jesus’, Paul's, etc.

9 posted on 08/27/2010 12:53:13 PM PDT by pburgh01
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To: tefis

Yeaahh!
He was born in Hawaiiiii and he is Christian!
Got it!
YOU LIE Hussein pretend NObama!


10 posted on 08/27/2010 12:54:13 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: hoe_cake

The Bible tells me not to judge, lest I be judged


Please don’t take this out of context like leftists always do... it’s meaning is

if you judge you will be judged by the same standard.


11 posted on 08/27/2010 12:54:22 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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I believe that there are many paths to the same place

Isn't this Hinduism?

12 posted on 08/27/2010 12:54:34 PM PDT by donna (Obama Hauls Arizona Before the UN Human Rights Council. It's time to impeach Obama.)
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To: tefis
So, I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.

Well, all roads might lead to God, but, most lead to His judgement, but only one, leads to his grace.

Sorry but according to John 14:6-7, President Obama is NOT a Christian.

13 posted on 08/27/2010 12:55:20 PM PDT by NorCoGOP (OBAMA: Living proof that hope is not a plan.)
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OBAMA: Obviously as an African American politician rooted in the African American community, I spend a lot of time in the black church.

Like... Satan's church?

14 posted on 08/27/2010 12:55:28 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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I think that religion at it’s best comes with a big dose of doubt. I’m suspicious of too much certainty in the pursuit of understanding just because I think people are limited in their understanding.”

That’s why we have the word of God. It’s in the Bible. Read it.


15 posted on 08/27/2010 12:55:47 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: MrB

Ok, I don’t need to be judged by the same standard. I am so not a perfect person nor a good practicing Christian. Therefore I am hesitant to judge another’s actions.


16 posted on 08/27/2010 12:56:01 PM PDT by hoe_cake ( Society of the Descendants of the Signers of the Constitution)
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To: Genoa
"If I live life as well as I can, I will be rewarded."

Um, Ephesians 2:8-9?

Obama is NOT a Christian!

He can't even get the fundamentals right!

17 posted on 08/27/2010 12:57:19 PM PDT by NorCoGOP (OBAMA: Living proof that hope is not a plan.)
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To: tefis

“Father Michael Pfleger is a dear friend, and somebody I interact with closely.”


18 posted on 08/27/2010 12:57:39 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: tefis

Everytime I think I can’t have more contempt for this lying POS Odumbo I discover he is viler and viler
this from the interview
“FALSANI Do you still attend Trinity?

OBAMA: Yep. Every week. 11 oclock service.

Ever been there? Good service.”

He is VILE EVIL and a LIAR


19 posted on 08/27/2010 12:57:55 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: tefis

Beliefnet. Bah. Enough said for me.


20 posted on 08/27/2010 12:57:59 PM PDT by Shelayne
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To: tefis

Lets look at the evidence...

For the unaware and unknowing.... and the wary
We all have different dreams, and perceptions about America and what it should become. A special thank you to Cruise _Missile for summarizing his observations!

Obama is a Muslim wanabe or Wahabe

• The FIRST thing Obama did as a newly elected Illinois State Senator was to attempt to declare a Muslim holiday. Obama sponsored Bill SR0110 in the 90th General Assembly to declare November 1, 1997 to be Islamic Community Center Day. It did not pass.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/summary/900SR0110.html
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/srgroups/sr/900SR0110LV.html

• His biological father was a Muslim.
http://www.bing.com/reference/semhtml/?title=Barack_Obama%2C_Sr.&src=abop&qpvt=barack+obama+seniot&q=barack+obama+senior&fwd=1

• Because his biological father was a Muslim the Islam world thinks he is a Muslim.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2010/08/obama_is_a_muslim_18_24_or.html?hpid=topnews
http://www.indonesiamatters.com/2952/barry-soetoro/

• His stepfather was a Muslim.
http://www.indonesiamatters.com/2952/barry-soetoro/

• As a child Barry was enrolled in school as a Muslim in Jakarta Indonesia. An Indonesian Madrasa.
• Barack Hussein Obama’s first and middle names are Arabic Muslim names.
Barack was the name for Mohammad’s horse. Husein, enough said.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700246419/Barack-Muhammads-horse.html
http://sanooaung.wordpress.com/2009/01/22/will-be-obama-with-us-muslims-as-the-meaning-of-his-name-in-persian-language/

• Obama recited the opening lines of the Muslim call to prayer, which includes a vow of fidelity to Islam, in flawless Arabic on a radio program. - Nikolos Kristoff, NYTs, 3-06-07 (***this one is a gottcha moment***)
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.3413/pub_detail.asp
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/11679

• On that same program he said he thinks the call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on earth.”
http://jewagainstobama.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/obama-muslim-call-to-prayer-one-of-the-prettiest-sounds-on-earth/
http://caosblog.com/archives/7373

• Obama belonged to Rev. Wright’s (a former Muslim) church for twenty years. Many congregants are Muslims.
http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/04/07/jeremiah-wright-former-muslim/
http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/03/20/rev-wright-got-his-masters-degree-in-islam-in-west-africa/
http://endtimes.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/289

• Obama’s said that the U.S. is “one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.”
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/9959057/Barack_Hussein_Obama_US_one_of_the_largest_Muslim_countries_in_the_world/
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/obama_america_one_of_the_large_1.asp

• Obama holds Muslim celebrations in the WH but canceled the National Day of Prayer.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1724544/obama_cancels_national_day_of_prayer.html?cat=9
http://www.exposeobama.com/

• President Obama’s religious adviser, Eboo Patel, once deemed the United States “the ideal place for the renewal of Islam.”

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/06/-obama-tells-egyptian-foreign-minister-i-am-a-muslim-stealth-coup-on-the-white-house.html

• Obama does not give gifts on Christmas.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12035.html

• Obama doesn’t celebrate his birthday.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/a-tough-birthday-for-obama/

• Obama falsely attributes Muslim participation in the founding of America.
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.7041/pub_detail.asp

• Obama required that the cross be covered when he gave a speech at Notre Dame.
http://blog.acton.org/archives/9843-notre-dame-georgetown-and-president-obama.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/11/opinion/main5006203.shtml
http://dougpowers.com/2009/04/17/obamas-jesus-coverup/

• Christian symbol covered up during Obama’s Georgetown speech
http://myfaithspace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/obama-covers-christ-and-cross
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=46667

• Obama’s first major speech in office was a “Muslim outreach” speech in Cairo Egypt.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at-Cairo-University-6-04-09/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8083171.stm

• “The American President told me in confidence that he is a Muslim,” said Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit on Nile TV.
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/06/12/bombshell-egyptian-foreign-minister-ahmed-aboul-gheit-says-on-egyptian-tv-%e2%80%9cthe-american-president-told-me-in-confidence-that-he-is-still-a-muslim-%e2%80%9d/
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=166905

• Obama gave strong support to the Cordoba House community center and mosque to be built at the Ground Zero site of Sep. 11, 2001 at a dinner celebrating the day’s end of the first day of Ramadan at the WH.
http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/president-obama-supports-ground-zero-mosque/19593492?ncid=webmail

• Obama tasked NASA with a mission of “Muslim outreach.”
http://technology.newsplurk.com/2010/07/nasa-and-islam.html

• Obama referred to his faith as “my Muslim faith” gaffe in an interview with George Stephanopolous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I

• Pushes Islamic freedom of religion but not Jewish or Christian freedoms. Several weeks ago he told Israel NOT to build settlements in East Jerusalem. But OK to build that Mosque at Ground Zero.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7514285/Israel-spits-in-Obamas-eye-by-announcing-new-settlements-in-east-Jerusalem.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/24/barack-obama-israel-settlement-plan

Be wary, wary aware ....and wary, wary afraid


21 posted on 08/27/2010 12:58:47 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: Deo volente; donna

I wonder IF he was ever actually baptized.

He doesn’t claim Christ as his savior and he retracts his claim that he is born again as soon as he makes it!

FALSANI: Did you actually go up for an altar call?

OBAMA: Yes. Absolutely.

It was a daytime service, during a daytime service. And it was a powerful moment. Because, it was powerful for me because it not only confirmed my faith, it not only gave shape to my faith, but I think, also, allowed me to connect the work I had been pursuing with my faith.

FALSANI: How long ago?

OBAMA: 16, 17 years ago. 1987 or 88

FALSANI: So you got yourself born again?

OBAMA: Yeah, although I don’t, I retain from my childhood and my experiences growing up a suspicion of dogma. And I’m not somebody who is always comfortable with language that implies I’ve got a monopoly on the truth, or that my faith is automatically transferable to others.

I’m a big believer in tolerance. I think that religion at it’s best comes with a big dose of doubt


22 posted on 08/27/2010 12:59:12 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: NorCoGOP

Straight-up Unitarian Universalist religo-babble!


23 posted on 08/27/2010 12:59:12 PM PDT by tefis
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To: 9YearLurker

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/794481/rev_michael_pfleger_the_latest_of_barack.html


24 posted on 08/27/2010 1:00:25 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: RWGinger
"...a good sermon in the black church, it's pretty hard not to be moved and be transported."


25 posted on 08/27/2010 1:01:07 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Deo volente

I caught that statement also, it sure seems like he is referring to himself as God.


26 posted on 08/27/2010 1:01:27 PM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: NorCoGOP

27 posted on 08/27/2010 1:01:57 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: tefis
my grandparents had joined a Universalist church.

That's closer to what he's described.

28 posted on 08/27/2010 1:01:57 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Deo volente
"I have an ongoing conversation with God"!! Can you imagine if Sarah Palin had said this??

29 posted on 08/27/2010 1:02:45 PM PDT by Genoa (Titus 2:13)
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To: tefis

Heartwarming.

“when I was the religion reporter (I am now its religion columnist) at the Chicago Sun-Times, I met then-State Sen. Barack Obama at Café Baci, a small coffee joint at 330 S. Michigan Avenue in Chicago, to interview him exclusively about his spirituality.”

And I’m sure this paper has a DEEP interest in the religious convictions of ALL politicians. (sarcasm)


30 posted on 08/27/2010 1:03:09 PM PDT by ZULU (God, guts and guns made America great,)
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To: Shelayne
Beliefnet. Bah. Enough said for me.

I don't care for them either, but coming from them, this is an admission against interest, which makes it even more meaningful.

31 posted on 08/27/2010 1:04:52 PM PDT by Genoa (Titus 2:13)
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To: tefis

It’s problematic when non-Christians try to speak the language of Christians. They don’t know how. I’m just saying.


32 posted on 08/27/2010 1:05:41 PM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: tefis

Heartwarming.

“when I was the religion reporter (I am now its religion columnist) at the Chicago Sun-Times, I met then-State Sen. Barack Obama at Café Baci, a small coffee joint at 330 S. Michigan Avenue in Chicago, to interview him exclusively about his spirituality.”

And I’m sure this paper has a DEEP interest in the religious convictions of ALL politicians. (sarcasm)


33 posted on 08/27/2010 1:06:17 PM PDT by ZULU (God, guts and guns made America great,)
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To: tefis
FALSANI Do you still attend Trinity?

OBAMA: Yep. Every week. 11 oclock service.

Ever been there? Good service.

I actually wrote a book called Dreams from My Father, it's kind of a meditation on race. There's a whole chapter on the church in that, and my first visits to Trinity.


Oops!
34 posted on 08/27/2010 1:06:37 PM PDT by nhwingut (Palin/Bachmann '12)
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To: ElayneJ

1 Cor 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.


35 posted on 08/27/2010 1:07:31 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: philled

bookmark


36 posted on 08/27/2010 1:12:32 PM PDT by philled (Lay on, Macduff! And damned be him that first cries “Hold, enough!”)
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To: tefis

Muslims respect Jesus as a great teacher, prophet, role model, and guide - pretty much what the Obama describes Him as.


37 posted on 08/27/2010 1:12:53 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: nhwingut

Good find! I hadn’t seen that before.


38 posted on 08/27/2010 1:13:12 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: tefis
FALSANI: Do you believe in sin?

OBAMA: Yes.

FALSANI: What is sin?

OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.
39 posted on 08/27/2010 1:14:15 PM PDT by nhwingut (Palin/Bachmann '12)
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To: MrB

Exactly.


40 posted on 08/27/2010 1:16:09 PM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: 9YearLurker

FALSANI: Do you believe in sin?

OBAMA: Yes.

FALSANI: What is sin?

OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.

WHAT? - Where would anyone get that from?


41 posted on 08/27/2010 1:18:41 PM PDT by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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To: NoDRodee

WHAT? - Where would anyone get that from?


Genesis 3:5


42 posted on 08/27/2010 1:19:43 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: donna
I believe that there are many paths to the same place

Isn't this Hinduism?


It's certainly a core belief of Hinduism, but I've heard people of many religious backgrounds express this view also.
43 posted on 08/27/2010 1:20:57 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
I've heard people of many religious backgrounds express this view also.

But not a Christian, at least not someone worth calling one. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Me."
44 posted on 08/27/2010 1:23:10 PM PDT by Genoa (Titus 2:13)
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To: donna
I believe that there are many paths to the same place

Isn't this Hinduism?

Nope, just stupid wishful thinking.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

45 posted on 08/27/2010 1:26:19 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Here’s the way it usually goes with a “liberal Christian”:

“I’m a Christian, but I believe there are many ways to God”
“Oh really - how about what Jesus said in John 14:6?”
“Oh, he didn’t say that, or he didn’t mean it that way”
“Really? It’s pretty clearly written, no room for misinterpretation there.”
“Well, that was written by men who had an agenda.”
“You’re saying the bible is not authoritative?”
“Some parts are. Others are not.”
“Really? So you decide which parts are true and which parts you can ignore?”
“Yes”


46 posted on 08/27/2010 1:27:24 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Genoa
Sin is "being out of alignment with my own values."

Yeah,... I'm kind of uneasy about sins, to sin does not feel entirely right to me. And let's talk about rewards, will you? It's Christianity, isn't it?. Kind of. I think...
47 posted on 08/27/2010 1:31:55 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: tefis
Evasive answers (unconvincing initial reactions):

FALSANI: Have you always been a Christian?

OBAMA: I was raised more by my mother and my mother was Christian.

.....

FALSANI: Do you pray often?

OBAMA: Uh, yeah, I guess I do.

.....

FALSANI: Who's Jesus to you?

(He laughs nervously)

OBAMA: Right...

.....

FALSANI: Have you read the bible?

OBAMA: Absolutely.

(wrong answer! "Yes" would have been the right answer for someone who actually had read the Bible.)

.....

FALSANI: Do you have people in your life that you look to for guidance?

OBAMA: Well, my pastor [Jeremiah Wright] is certainly someone who I have an enormous amount of respect for.

(that was true; the lie came during the primaries when 0 pretended he hadn't known about Wright's attitudes and opinions)

.....

FALSANI: Do you believe in heaven?

OBAMA: Do I believe in the harps and clouds and wings?

(again, "yes" was the lie 0bama couldn't quite manage)

.....

Perhaps he would have lied better with a teleprompter!
48 posted on 08/27/2010 1:34:44 PM PDT by obama-facts (www.obama-facts.org)
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To: tefis
I'm always stuck by how much common sense the American people have. They get confused sometimes, watch Fox News or listen to talk radio. That's dangerous sometimes.

So his hatred of talk radio and Fox News goes way back.

49 posted on 08/27/2010 1:40:35 PM PDT by Excellence ("A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.")
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To: Texas Fossil

My thoughts exactly. Not once did he say Jesus is the Son of God,. In fact he calls him an historical figure, just as a Muslim would.


50 posted on 08/27/2010 1:42:47 PM PDT by JoeA (JoeA / Welcome to the Second American Revolution)
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