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Rift between Salvation Army, United Way
UPI ^ | 8/28/2010

Posted on 08/28/2010 12:14:21 PM PDT by markomalley

BOSTON, Aug. 28 (UPI) -- The Salvation Army of Massachusetts has decided to stop getting money from United Way, setting up its own workplace fund drives instead.

Major William Bode sent an e-mail message to United Way Friday, the Boston Globe reported. He discussed the relationship with Michael Durkin, president of United Way of Massachusetts Bay and Merrimack Valley over lunch Thursday.

"Every year for the last three years I have communicated with the United Way saying our allocation is going down and I'm very much concerned about that,'' Bode said. "Our advisory board and board of directors had to look at that and say, 'What is happening with the relationship?'"

United Way functions as an umbrella group, collecting donations and passing the money on to other non-profit groups. Some contributions are earmarked for specific organizations.

Durkin said he hopes to revive the relationship between the two groups.

"Our partnership is too strong to end on an e-mail,'' he said.

The Salvation Army's best-known fundraising effort is its Christmastime appeal. As a United Way beneficiary, the group could not engage in its own workplace drives.


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1 posted on 08/28/2010 12:14:23 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

The Salvation Army - a Christian organization - and the United Way - a godless liberal organization - really have no commonality of purpose in their missions so it’s fitting that this association of light and darkness should end.


2 posted on 08/28/2010 12:15:33 PM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: All Charities

Get out and stay out of the workplace.

3 posted on 08/28/2010 12:16:43 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: markomalley

I refuse to support The United Way, not even if the money (or some likely small percentage of it) is earmarked for The Salvation Army. I give directly to the SA. I know first hand of the work they do.


4 posted on 08/28/2010 12:17:09 PM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: markomalley
Salvation Army is an organization that funds abortions.

The United Way, in the past has been a strong supporter of groups such as Planned Parenthood.

They are both losers.

5 posted on 08/28/2010 12:17:09 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: markomalley

Good. The Salvation Army can do so much better than the United Way anyway.


6 posted on 08/28/2010 12:17:21 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: markomalley

I’d give to the Salvation Army any day over United Way.


7 posted on 08/28/2010 12:17:56 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: markomalley
Good for the Salvation Army. I have absolutely nothing nice to say about those jerkoffs at the United Way. They suck.
8 posted on 08/28/2010 12:23:13 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: topher

Well, this is the time when Salvation Army should restore it’s connection to God and become a supporter of the good in society and disconnect from devil and evil. The United Way is the way of the devil. I would NEVER give to them.


9 posted on 08/28/2010 12:24:23 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: topher
Statement: "Salvation Army is an organization that funds abortions. "

Response; Can you point us to a source evidencing that TSA funds abortions. I was about to give them some money. My wife and I have given them many nice clothes, electronics etc. I will not support organizations funding or providing abortions.

10 posted on 08/28/2010 12:26:40 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: FourPeas
I refuse to support The United Way, not even if the money (or some likely small percentage of it) is earmarked for The Salvation Army. I give directly to the SA. I know first hand of the work they do.

Ditto.

Years ago, when the arrogant UW "administrative costs" got unconscionable, and the Salvation Army pushed into a corner, I permanently dumped UW and the Red Cross among others.

SA now gets all my charity dollars.

11 posted on 08/28/2010 12:27:49 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: markomalley
United Way functions as an umbrella group, collecting donations and passing the money on to other non-profit groups. Some contributions are earmarked for specific organizations.

Targeting contributions to a specific organization does not mean the organization gets more funding. In actuality, they get less. United Way has a budget for the amount each organization gets. When someone targets (earmarks) a contribution, the budget for that organization is reduced by the targeted amount so the organization gets the amount in the original budget. The kicker is because a portion of the funds are targeted, the organization has to send out thank you notes, which is an expense. The only way an organization will get more than the United Way budget, is for enough donors to target their funds to the organization such that the total exceeds the budgeted amount.

I drove United Way away from our office 20 years ago.

12 posted on 08/28/2010 12:29:24 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15.)
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To: topher
Salvation Army is an organization that funds abortions.

Opinions and assertions on the internet aren't worth the paper they're written on.

Unless you can document that, I don't care what you think or do.

13 posted on 08/28/2010 12:31:13 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: savagesusie

We utilize the Salvation Army in a nearby small town in Texas, they’ve never failed (and we give to them also). I’ve taken a few down-and-out folks to their shelter during cold months in the past.

They operate a shelter on a basis of “sure, you’re welcome here but the caveat is that you must help clean up the facilities as you use them and where needed each day”.

Those are Christian principles. United Way can go their OWN way...

Only one has said, “I don’t need any of that” and as I cell phoned, he asked, “Who’re you calling?” I told him the Sheriff’s office to report a vagrant. He changed his mind, the SA said that he cooperated when I checked up on him.


14 posted on 08/28/2010 12:32:49 PM PDT by brushcop (CW4 Matthew Lourey CW2 Joshua Scott/ Kiowa pilots KIA Iraq '05. Thank you for our son's life.)
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To: OrioleFan
United Way has a budget for the amount each organization gets.

Is there a way to find out how the United Way "awards" the funds?
Or is that "privileged information?

I am so glad I dumped those crooks almost twenty years ago...

I don't want to know how much is budgeted for AIDS and other pervert groups...

15 posted on 08/28/2010 12:35:49 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: topher
Salvation Army is an organization that funds abortions.

We've given to TSA over 45 years and that's the first I've seen or heard of that. Have you a source or link?

16 posted on 08/28/2010 12:37:45 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: topher

I checked their statement on abortion and they are against it advocating carrying to term. However, I am NOT a competent internet researcher and there may be reports I missed. In this day and age organizations can and will lie to get money. I do doubt TSA would lie they have always seemed straight.


17 posted on 08/28/2010 12:38:42 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: brushcop

I’m glad to hear it! I have heard good things about some local Salvation Army organizations and how government has been illegally forcing them to get rid of “God”.


18 posted on 08/28/2010 12:42:33 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: topher

I’m don’t believe that’s true. I do remember the charge was made they were somehow linked in some fashion to Planned Parenthood but I never saw any specifics or proof. I questioned the assertion but haven’t been able to find anything else. I find it hard to believe.

The Salvation Army as far as I know has always been above reproach. The United Way on the other hand can go pound sand.


19 posted on 08/28/2010 12:43:47 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Good for the Salvation Army. I have absolutely nothing nice to say about those jerkoffs at the United Way. They suck.

Well THAT part is not the part that bothers me. The parts that do bother me is they extort, embezzle, and steal.

TSA doesn't have pivate jets, do they?

I can remember even as a kid, being leaned on by bosses for "100%" United Fund/UW/Red Cross/whatever recent alias they used..." donations every place I worked. The SA has always gotten my donations. Direct. I think some aspects of the organization are a little goofy, but they were always there, when the RC was hunting headlines.

Plus I was brought up to Chase the RC from the yard. My father was in Normandy, and had a long memory.

20 posted on 08/28/2010 12:47:16 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (CNN:AP:etc:Today, President Obama's stool was firm and well-formed. One end was slightly pointed. ")
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To: topher

“...Salvation Army is an organization that funds abortions...”
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Can you back that up?
Or are you just spouting off?


21 posted on 08/28/2010 12:48:57 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (If November does not turn out well, then beware of December.)
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To: topher

This was taken from Life Decisions International website:

The Boycott List (see above) includes a section called Dishonorable Mention, which lists seemingly innocuous nonprofit organizations that are involved with Planned Parenthood or otherwise active in the Culture of Death. Among the groups included are Outward Bound West, American Automobile Association (AAA), Kaiser Permanente, Dr. Phil Foundation, Lions Clubs, American Cancer Society, Easter Seals, Boys & Girls Clubs, Ronald McDonald House Charities, Camp Fire, Girls Inc., Girl Scouts, Kiwanis Clubs, March of Dimes, Muscular Dystrophy Association, Rotary Clubs, Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation, The Salvation Army, YWCA, America Gives Back (formerly [American] Idol Gives Back), YMCA, American Association of Retired Persons (AARP), American Diabetes Association. Involvement ranges from donating funds to pro-abortion groups (or allowing affiliates to do so), supporting anti-life causes, allowing pro-abortion groups access to membership, adopting an official pro-abortion policy position, and so forth.”

Very vague, I have no idea what the possible connection might be. Again, I just have difficulty believing the SA is actively supporting PP unless I see proof positive.


22 posted on 08/28/2010 12:53:18 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: bereanway

I worked with the SA during a number of disasters and I can tell you that they are the first on the scene, they are carrying food and supplies and that they are the hardest working people I have ever seen. Unbelievable work ethic.

In World War II, they would pull up to the front lines during the battle of the Bulge, open up the back of the truck and there would be hot donuts and coffee for all.

The German lines were only a half mile or so away and our units were constantly being bombarded by artillery and mortars. Didn’t bother them a bit.

The Red Cross, on the other hand, was a 20 or 30 mile ride behind the lines.

Give to SA. Someday they will be in your community helping out during a disaster. Man, they are good.

And don’t get me started on UW. They have already received too much of my money through corporate extortion. Never again.


23 posted on 08/28/2010 12:53:19 PM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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To: bereanway

I don’t believe that the SA supports abortion. No way, no how.


24 posted on 08/28/2010 12:55:07 PM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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To: texmexis best

I agree. It just sounds so completely out of character for a wonderful ministry.


25 posted on 08/28/2010 1:01:17 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: bereanway

I’ve worked with some of these people and being pro-abortion is just not possible.


26 posted on 08/28/2010 1:11:17 PM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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To: Publius6961

I live in Greene County, Ohio (mostly Conservative). United Way is run out of Montgomery County (mostly Liberal city of Dayton). We used to have United Way in Greene County, but it was combined with Montgomery County. I did some research back in the early 90’s when I ran them off. At the United Way Meeting, I asked, “How much does United Way collect in Greene County?” The rep said he didn’t have the number in front of him, to which I replied, “It’s about $2 million.” He said that was about right. Then I asked, “How much money is allocated for Greene Counth organizations?” He didn’t have an answer for that, so I said, “It’s about $600,000.” He said that was about right. He then asked me if I had kids and had I ever taken them to Children’s Hospital in Montgomery County. I said “yes.” He said, “See this guy gets a benefit from United Way’s allocation to Childrens.” I replied, “When I took my kids to Childrens and they found out I had health care through Aetna, every fricking doctor in that damn hospital read my childs chart and sent me a bill - it took me 2 years to straighten it all out. I would have to say, I received no benefit from your sucking money out of Greene County for your pet programs in Montgomery County.” People were leaving the meeting after that, and United Way got no contributions from my office after that.

Unless you are in on the allocations, I would say there is no way to find out how United Way awards the funds. I wouldn’t think their records are open to the public, although I don’t know what kind of reporting they have to do to maintain their status.


27 posted on 08/28/2010 1:23:07 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15.)
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To: markomalley

I STOPPED trusting united way after their handling of money donated during the 911 catastrophe.


28 posted on 08/28/2010 1:30:22 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: markomalley

United Way runs an extortion racket. They get management to lean on workers to give a ‘suggested’ contribution.

I haven’t supported UW since I read of a low level teller at an S&L in Maryland getting sacked for refusing to pay up. That would probably have been back in the 70s, perhaps a little later.

I’ve only worked at one company that participated in the shakedown. If you didn’t want to contribute, you had to fill out a form and turn it in to a designated senior manager. I knew it was a career limiting move when I did so.

If they had any integrity, they’d run it like the CFC.


29 posted on 08/28/2010 1:33:24 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: markomalley
Some United Ways support Planned Parenthood. (It varies from community to community; so it's tough to "punish" what one United Way does 'cause of the actions of another UW)

Some United Ways support homosexuality. Same thing.

30 posted on 08/28/2010 1:42:00 PM PDT by Colofornian (If we could "CTR" we wouldn't need a Savior. [See 1 Corinthians 1:30])
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To: markomalley

I’m glad the SA is breaking with United Way. SA shouldn’t have anything to do with an outfit that funds abortions.


31 posted on 08/28/2010 1:54:28 PM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: texmexis best

****And don’t get me started on UW. They have already received too much of my money through corporate extortion. Never again.****

The extortion is then imposed on the employees. It was strongly suggested, by my manager, that I sign up for a UW *contribution*. As a struggling single parent, that was a tough decision. But I still refused on the basis that I needed the money I earned - more than those anonymous beggars.


32 posted on 08/28/2010 1:55:23 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
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To: FourPeas
Amen to that! The SA is there for our troops and for our poor. Regardless for who or even what you are. At 9/11 the Red Cross charged for coffee and donuts. A few blocks away, the Salvation Army gave it away for free. Now why is that? God first or me first? Who wins that race?
33 posted on 08/28/2010 1:58:00 PM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: FourPeas

One time at work a group agreed to give the Salvation Army a donation during the United Way drive from their coffee fund, 6 months later U.W. sent the check back and asked them to change it to the Red Cross. Needless to say, they tore the check up.


34 posted on 08/28/2010 2:01:39 PM PDT by Waco (From Seward to Sarah)
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To: bereanway
The Boycott List (see above) includes a section called Dishonorable Mention, which lists seemingly innocuous nonprofit organizations that are involved with Planned Parenthood or otherwise active in the Culture of Death. Among the groups included are Outward Bound West, American Automobile Association (AAA)...

Damn, does that mean if I get a flat tire a baby gets off'd? Or, something?

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Send treats to the troops...
Great because you did it!
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35 posted on 08/28/2010 2:01:51 PM PDT by JCG
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To: wagglebee; topher
Salvation Army is an organization that funds abortions.

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Wagglebee, do you know if the above is correct?

36 posted on 08/28/2010 2:07:38 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: topher

“Salvation Army is an organization that funds abortions. “

?????? Where do you get that info?


37 posted on 08/28/2010 2:16:17 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: trisham; topher

I don’t know about funding abortion, but it does seem that the Salvation Army in India accepts abortion for life of the mother, rape AND for fetal deformities:
http://www.salvationarmy.org/ind/www_ind.nsf/vw-sublinks/80256E520050A2E280256CB9005EE9BB?openDocument

The American position seems different:
http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn/www_usn_2.nsf/vw-dynamic-index/B6F3F4DF3150F5B585257434004C177D?Opendocument


38 posted on 08/28/2010 2:16:25 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: texmexis best

The United Way of course famously dropped the Boy Scouts because they won’t let known homosexuals camp overnight with boys.


39 posted on 08/28/2010 2:19:21 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Can you back that up?

Or are you just spouting off?

I looked to the bottom of the thread and there been no response from this "topher." He was spouting off and maliciously, too.

40 posted on 08/28/2010 2:28:58 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: topher
"Salvation Army is an organization that funds abortions. The United Way, in the past has been a strong supporter of groups such as Planned Parenthood. They are both losers. "

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WOW! This makes me VERY sad.

The Salvation Army has been my favorite charity for most of my life.

I am hugely disappointed.

Salvation Army Ties to Planned Parenthood

http://fightpp.org/

41 posted on 08/28/2010 3:00:56 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: topher

“...Salvation Army is an organization that funds abortions...”
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Well?
I’m still waiting.
You should either back up your claim or withdraw it.
What will it be?


42 posted on 08/28/2010 3:03:57 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (If November does not turn out well, then beware of December.)
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To: topher

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http://www.salvationarmyethics.org/position-statements/abortion/
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The Salvation Army believes in the sanctity of human life because human beings are made in the image of God. Each person is of eternal value and each life a gift from God worth cherishing, nurturing, and preserving.The Salvation Army therefore takes seriously the needs, rights and responsibilities of parents and unborn children when considering the matter of abortion. We are committed to the protection and care of the unborn, and to the promotion of societal systems that promote wholeness, freedom, quality of life and the development of the potential of all persons.

The Salvation Army supports responsible measures necessary to avoid unwanted pregnancy and is opposed to abortion as a means of birth control. We are concerned about a growing social acceptance of abortions and believe that a genetic abnormality in the unborn child is not generally sufficient to warrant a termination of pregnancy.

When an unwanted pregnancy occurs, The Salvation Army counsels that the parents receive caring support for their emotional, physical, social and spiritual needs, and that the unborn child be carried to term.


43 posted on 08/28/2010 3:11:53 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (If November does not turn out well, then beware of December.)
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To: topher

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http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_hist1.htm
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Pro-life groups:
The Roman Catholic Church
The Southern Baptist Convention
African Methodist Episcopal Church
Assemblies of God
Church of God in Christ
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Church of the Nazarene
Eastern Orthodox churches
Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod.
Progressive National Baptist Convention
The Salvation Army


44 posted on 08/28/2010 3:15:06 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (If November does not turn out well, then beware of December.)
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To: markomalley

The United Way has always been corrupt...very high pay for the bigwigs at the expense of the charities.


45 posted on 08/28/2010 3:25:13 PM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: Repeal The 17th; Manic_Episode

Well, I’m confused now. Give or not give?


46 posted on 08/28/2010 3:56:03 PM PDT by peggybac (Restore America and restore her honor.)
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To: peggybac; Manic_Episode; topher

Topher has yet to back up the claim that he made in post #5.
I can find plenty to show he/she is wrong and nothing to confirm he/she is right.
He/she has had neither the courage nor the integrity to respond to their claim.


47 posted on 08/28/2010 4:06:02 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (If November does not turn out well, then beware of December.)
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To: topher; Admin Moderator

“...Salvation Army is an organization that funds abortions...”
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I have asked you several times to back up this assertion
and you have refused to do so.
I have asked you for evidence of your claim.
I have given you evidence to the contrary in posts #43 and #44.
I am asking the admin moderator to delete your slanderous post at #5;
unless you would like to provide evidence to back up your claim.
What’s it going to be?
Put up or shut up.
If I am wrong, I will admit it - will you?


48 posted on 08/28/2010 4:29:26 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (If November does not turn out well, then beware of December.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
I put up 2 links in post #41 from Life Decisions International that that would indicate that Topher is not making this up, and as much as I wish this were a lie my research indicates it is not.

Perhaps instead of shooting the messenger your time would be better spent contacting the Salvation Army for clarification.

49 posted on 08/28/2010 5:32:14 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: markomalley

The UN is the big government in the sky worshiped by many globalists in our midst and both parties and many corporations.

Some day they hope the UN will just be able to dip directly into our treasury and take what they want. The uppity Red Cross will be nothing...easily crushed by the UN gods with a global sized appitite for corruption.


50 posted on 08/28/2010 5:38:00 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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