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The Great Bond Market Crash of 2010
Mad Hedge Fund Trader ^ | 8-30-2010 | MHFT

Posted on 08/29/2010 8:00:09 PM PDT by blam

August 30, 2010 – The Great Bond Market Crash of 2010

August 30th, 2010

1) The Great Bond Market Crash of 2010. OK, maybe it hasn’t really crashed yet. But the two day, 3 ½ point sell off in the futures for the 30 year Treasury bond (TBT), at the end of last week was the sharpest drop in 18 months. Winston Churchill’s great 1942 quote, which marked the turning of the tide for Britain in WWII, comes to mind. “This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”

In my recent piece on the extreme overvaluation of government debt, I pointed out that the last time rates were this low, Treasury bonds brought in a miserly 1.9% yield for a decade (click here for the piece). Professor Jeremy Siegel at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania has one upped me. After yields bottomed in 1956, bonds suffered negative returns for 30 years!

This should have occurred to me, as the first mortgage I took out on a Manhattan coop in 1982 carried an 18% interest rate. That was then Federal Reserve governor Paul Volker was waging a holy war on inflation and eventually won. I took out one of the first ever floating rate mortgages, and by the time I sold it three years later, the rate had melted down to only 11%. I tell this story to kids buying their first starter homes now and they look at me like I’m some kind of dinosaur.

I have always believed that markets will do whatever they have to do to screw the most people. [snip]

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KEYWORDS: bonds; investing; markets; stocks
"This should have occurred to me, as the first mortgage I took out on a Manhattan coop in 1982 carried an 18% interest rate."

I had a fixed 13% rate in 1980. My next door neighbor had a 17% at that time.

1 posted on 08/29/2010 8:00:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I have always believed that markets will do whatever they have to do to screw the most people.

An excellent observation...

2 posted on 08/29/2010 8:09:27 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: blam

We bought our first house in the early 80’s. We had been living in a small apt. for 8 years and had saved a sizable down payment so we talked the seller into holding an 8 year mortgage on the balance for 10 percent interest. We were amazed he accepted...but it saved us lots of money.

The amazing thing to me about high interest rates is this. Back then we were sure to pay our cc off each month because the interest was 21 percent. But now with interest rates so low, I think cc rates are still up there. We still pay it off each month, so I have no idea what interest they charge.


3 posted on 08/29/2010 8:18:54 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: blam
Interesting interview with Peter Schiff a former Fed chairman

Peter Schiff On CNBC 08_27_10 - Monetary vs Fiscal Policy Fix

4 posted on 08/29/2010 8:26:52 PM PDT by Errant
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To: blam

Bought my first new car in ‘81. 10.9% interest and it was a bargain!


5 posted on 08/29/2010 8:27:34 PM PDT by Sleeping Freeper
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To: blam

BUMP


6 posted on 08/29/2010 8:28:58 PM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: blam
Just for clarity I am invested here. It is a bit scary. Vanguard
7 posted on 08/29/2010 8:30:52 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: blam
Nikkei 225 is +274.33 (3.05%) @ the break (9,265.39)

I don't like the markets doing the high-speed wobs thing.

Wonder if that posting over at Zerohedge is going to be closer to the mark than we think:

How Hyperinflation Will Happen

8 posted on 08/29/2010 8:37:56 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Islamic law upholds that children born to a Muslim father are automatically Muslim)
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To: dawn53

I got my mortgage in 1976 for 9% and considered myself pretty lucky as the next few years went along.


9 posted on 08/29/2010 8:39:47 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Errant

Peter Schiff was never a Fed Chairman.


10 posted on 08/29/2010 8:40:36 PM PDT by BiggieLittle
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To: BiggieLittle
I forgot to include "and" a former Fed Chairman.

Thanks for catching that.

11 posted on 08/29/2010 8:48:13 PM PDT by Errant
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To: an amused spectator
I don't like the markets doing the high-speed wobs thing.

I'm with you, volatility isn't a good thing in this economic environment and could well be a harbinger for something bad.

12 posted on 08/29/2010 8:51:37 PM PDT by Errant
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To: blam

TBT is not a future for Treasuries. TBT is an inverse ETF. TBT goes up when Treasuries go down, and down when Treasuries go up.


13 posted on 08/29/2010 8:54:45 PM PDT by bIlluminati (Don't just hope for change, work for change in 2010.)
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To: an amused spectator
"How Hyperinflation Will Happen "

Thanks.

I read that (troubling article) here at Seeking Alpha.


14 posted on 08/29/2010 9:02:53 PM PDT by blam
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