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Why We Need a Second Stimulus
The New York Times ^ | August 28, 2010 | Laura Tyson

Posted on 08/29/2010 9:02:44 PM PDT by vrwc1

OUR national debate about fiscal policy has become skewed, with far too much focus on the deficit and far too little on unemployment. There is too much worry about the size of government, and too little appreciation for how stimulus spending has helped stabilize the economy and how more of the right kind of government spending could boost job creation and economic growth. By focusing on the wrong things, we are in serious danger of failing to do the right things to help the economy recover from its worst labor market crisis since the Great Depression.
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By easing capital market concerns about the government’s future borrowing needs, such a plan would permit larger deficits and slower debt reduction while unemployment is still high. The long-run debt problem — the result of imprudent fiscal decisions before the recession, escalating health care costs and an aging population — must be addressed once the economy has recovered. But for now the priorities of fiscal policy should be jobs and investment.

Laura Tyson, a professor at the Haas School of Business at the University of California, Berkeley, was chairwoman of the Council of Economic Advisers and the National Economic Council in the Clinton administration. She is a member of President Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2nd; 787billionwasted; debt; economy; obama; porkulus; spending; stimulus
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Looks like Obama is going to be pushing for a second stimulus. He's got his flunkies out shilling for the idea.

They just can't bring themselves cut spending...they're addicted to our money.

1 posted on 08/29/2010 9:02:45 PM PDT by vrwc1
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no

NO

NO

NO!

2 posted on 08/29/2010 9:03:31 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: vrwc1

2nd? Haven’t we already had 3?


3 posted on 08/29/2010 9:05:04 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: BenLurkin

Why we need to remove Dems and RINO’s from office come November is the more likely mantra or headline.


4 posted on 08/29/2010 9:05:27 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: vrwc1

We might need a stimulus — it wouldn’t be the 2nd though, since last year’s bill didn’t stimulate anything, being totally inappropriate for the task.


5 posted on 08/29/2010 9:05:39 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: vrwc1

Go back to the chicken biz, Laura.


6 posted on 08/29/2010 9:06:01 PM PDT by Belteshazzar
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To: vrwc1

Lets see here. If you are unemployed and over $300k in debt, the best thing you can do to get out of your financial situation is run up your credit cards to the max. Makes sense to me...


7 posted on 08/29/2010 9:06:05 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: vrwc1

Go back to the chicken biz, Laura.


8 posted on 08/29/2010 9:06:05 PM PDT by Belteshazzar
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To: vrwc1

THIS is why I can no longer tell the ‘satire’ threads from the news threads.


9 posted on 08/29/2010 9:06:11 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: vrwc1
Dr. Tyson -

You are an idiot.

Love,

The Taxpayers

10 posted on 08/29/2010 9:07:10 PM PDT by Volunteer (Though I know that the hypnotized never lie, do ya? - The Who)
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To: vrwc1

Nice, who’s getting billions this time round?


11 posted on 08/29/2010 9:07:53 PM PDT by muddler (Diligentia, Vis and Celeritas)
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To: vrwc1

Even the dims are running away from this talk. Laura Tyson is a commie pinko dope who has no credibility. I hope Obummer bites this hook. His poll numbers will be to 15% in notime.


12 posted on 08/29/2010 9:07:53 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA
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To: vrwc1
They don't get it.

They honestly just don't get it.

13 posted on 08/29/2010 9:09:07 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: vrwc1

Me thinks Laura has been a little to close to that nutcase Krugman.


14 posted on 08/29/2010 9:09:35 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: vrwc1

These people will take us ALL unless we say NO NO NO!!!
Stand up or go DOWN!


15 posted on 08/29/2010 9:09:35 PM PDT by taxtruth (Something really stinks In The Federal Government/Mafia and I think it's BO!)
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To: vrwc1
"Wheeeee....!"


16 posted on 08/29/2010 9:10:05 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: vrwc1

We don’t need anymore fake spending. I want Obama to tell me what that MUF hit was in Sept. 2008. It was a financial attack on our investment industry that was never explained.

BTW I refied my loan on Friday at 4.5 and the banks have money.


17 posted on 08/29/2010 9:10:06 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: mylife

Obama hasn’t even got done spending all of the first (second?) Stimulus Package. Waiting for a fresh influx this October, and then again in October ‘12. Oh, and that “emergency” teacher’s fund? Those funds can be distributed all the way out to.....Nov. ‘12. Buying votes isn’t illegal if you know how to do it correctly. And even better when you can use someone else’s money!


18 posted on 08/29/2010 9:10:08 PM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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To: vrwc1

Query: If Libs believe massive government economic stimuli are good for us all, why do they not propose a new one every quarter, or monthly?


19 posted on 08/29/2010 9:10:19 PM PDT by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: vrwc1

I’m figuring the real stimulus is scheduled for November.


20 posted on 08/29/2010 9:10:37 PM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: vrwc1

well if the person who has spent their whole life in politics and academia (and has never run a business/ had to meet a payroll) thinks more stimulus is the key...who am I to argue? (rolling eyes)


21 posted on 08/29/2010 9:11:38 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: 21twelve

You got him pegged.


22 posted on 08/29/2010 9:11:54 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: vrwc1

The Dems still coming up short on their unions promises?

Or is this the vig?


23 posted on 08/29/2010 9:13:57 PM PDT by jessduntno (Flush the Grand Old Potty. Vote Conservative.)
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To: vrwc1

We NEED a second stimulus because the first stimulus missed its goal of killing off the free economy!


24 posted on 08/29/2010 9:15:46 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: vrwc1

They actually think that spending money we don’t have on make-work projects will “stimulate the economy”. Did they not learn anything from watching the USSR collapse while they had 100% employment?


25 posted on 08/29/2010 9:15:59 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: william clark
In spite of the Communist In Chief, the Economy will turn around to some extent. These clowns will try to in act some lame brain legislation every four months so they can claim when the inevitable happens “we turned it around” with such and such.....blah blah blah
26 posted on 08/29/2010 9:16:09 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: DAC21

I’m not actually referring to any forthcoming legislation, so much as the bounce that we’ll see in the stock market the day after Obama’s lapdogs get neutered.


27 posted on 08/29/2010 9:17:40 PM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: vrwc1
The long-run debt problem — the result of imprudent fiscal decisions before the recession, escalating health care costs and an aging population — must be addressed once the economy has recovered. But for now the priorities of fiscal policy should be jobs and investment.

I need some help from my "Liberal Friends." If I understand this right the economic crisis is a result of Bush and Clinton, and Bush Senior and Ronald Reagan and Carter running up the deficit by spending more than we have revenue.

This is the part that puzzles me. The cure for the present economic crisis per Obama and the New York Times is to spend more than our revenue and to tax more than now. The proposed new taxes are far less than the new deficit spending. I am confused.

Bush deficit bad, Obama deficit more than Bush deficit good? Perhaps a greater mind than mine, such as Krugman of the New York Times can explain this to me.

28 posted on 08/29/2010 9:18:16 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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To: vrwc1

Cut off all government waste “stimulus” of money and wipe out those living on credit or we are in for another 10+ years of depression just like the one that FDR forced on us.


29 posted on 08/29/2010 9:19:43 PM PDT by dalereed
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That's my fear as well. They think they have to do something to save the economy, but they're too stupid to realize they're actually sowing the seeds of a miserable future.
30 posted on 08/29/2010 9:27:24 PM PDT by vrwc1
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To: vrwc1

Clintonista Laura Tyson! ROTFL!!! Now there’s an “expert” for ya!


31 posted on 08/29/2010 9:27:44 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Help fight government obesity! Throw the bums out in November!)
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32 posted on 08/29/2010 9:28:26 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Now what kind of a geroo are you anyway?)
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To: vrwc1

Idiots like this woman are why we’re in this mess.


33 posted on 08/29/2010 9:29:51 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: DAC21
In spite of the Communist In Chief, the Economy will turn around to some extent.

Not sure I can share your optimism.

34 posted on 08/29/2010 9:30:51 PM PDT by vrwc1
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Agreed.


35 posted on 08/29/2010 9:31:59 PM PDT by vrwc1
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To: vrwc1

Can anybody tell me when a government stimulus actually worked, ever? Ever? Anyone?


36 posted on 08/29/2010 9:32:59 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: vrwc1

The first paragraph says it all. Are there any leaders left with common sense?
Isn’t it foolish to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result?

These people are fools!


37 posted on 08/29/2010 9:34:02 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Obama will sink as fast as he rose. (False) Idolatry will not succeed. Be patient, folks...)
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To: vrwc1
I have never had the chance to post this before, but this looks like a good place. It is a long video, but well worth it. Here's a very good interview and debate including Laura Tyson in 1994:

But Why? James Goldsmith / Laura Tyson

38 posted on 08/29/2010 9:34:36 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: vrwc1
[ Why We Need a Second Stimulus ]

Answer: BECAUSE we are not totally bankrupt YET!...

39 posted on 08/29/2010 9:38:12 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Lazlo in PA

“commie pinko dope who has no credibility”

Sounds like a good descripption for Obama


40 posted on 08/29/2010 9:39:38 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Bean Counter

ROTFL!!! Love it!!!


41 posted on 08/29/2010 9:43:50 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Help fight government obesity! Throw the bums out in November!)
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To: vrwc1

THANK YOU SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER ONE!!!


42 posted on 08/29/2010 9:46:59 PM PDT by Tagurit (Are your pigs fed, watered and ready to fly?)
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To: mylife
2nd? Haven’t we already had 3?

Bush had one, Obama had one, so this new one would be the third. All over the media Bush's stimulus seems to be disappearing. I wonder if this is deliberate in order to sell another stimulus because the press doesn't believe the public will go for another one if they remember it is really the third stimulus.

43 posted on 08/29/2010 9:48:21 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer
I lose count. The money isIOU's are flying everywhere.
44 posted on 08/29/2010 9:51:09 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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I just talked to a kid who just graduated from U.C. Berkeley.

We got into a discussion about the current financial mess, and just as I expected, he laid the Blame on the Bush Administration. He accused Bush of decimating the Middle Class while catering to the Rich.

I asked him if Tax Revenues increased under Bush. He didn't know, so I educated him to the fact that Tax Revenues increased 35% with the Bush Tax Rate Cuts in place from 2003 to 2008, while “the rich” paid more of the overall Tax Liability than ever before.

His Berkeley Professors convinced him that the “Middle Class” slid into poverty under Bush, while I explained to him that the reality of increased Tax Revenue proved that a greater number of the Middle Class moved into the “Upper Middle Class” category than moved down to the “Lower Middle Class” or “Working Poor” category as he was taught.

Four years of a Liberal Berkeley Education takes its toll.
I explained to the Young Man that the definition of Rich to a Liberal is someone making a dollar more than they do.

I'm not sure if he appreciated what I had to say, but hopefully he will realize the truth one day.

45 posted on 08/29/2010 9:53:15 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Obamunism, the fatal cure for Bush Derangement Syndrome.)
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They could have stimulated the economy by decreasing taxes.

- The government stimulus is to slow to react. Government red tape, controls, etc made the money infusion slow.

- The multiplying effect, i.e. how much every dollar stimulated the economy was horrible. How much does studying the Mormon cricket stimulate the economy? The money went into all sorts of things, most of these things benefited a politician somehow and did not have a large stimulating effect.

The problem with liberals is that they only see the government side stimulating anything. They ignore the fact that there is such a thing as a private sector, or that most employers are smaller and mid sized proprietor ships, partnerships and LLCs. So while this buffoon talks of stimulating an economy, the reality is that this Congress and administration has managed to create so much turmoil and fear that many are holding back on spending. Health care reform, talk of carbon taxes, expiring Bush tax cuts, massive financial reforms..... Hell, not even the federal agencies tasked to oversee these new laws really know what they are to do, what half this crap means......... Nearly every new law passed in the last 18 months has an economic growth suppressing effect (textbook macro economics) and this idiot is talking about how they are saving the economy by spending money on pet projects?

If this economy recovers it is “in spite” of this Congress and administration.


46 posted on 08/29/2010 9:54:02 PM PDT by Red6 (IMHO)
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OK, so we just asked the wrong Tyson.
We’d be better off asking Mike what HE thinks we should do.


47 posted on 08/29/2010 9:56:25 PM PDT by SonOfDakota
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To: vrwc1
Interestingly, the second stimulus may not involve printing more money. Given that Paul Volcker's team just submitted a long report on the income tax system this past Friday, it may finally wake up the President to do something that should have been done three decades ago: clean up the overly-complex and economy-sapping income tax system.

Given the mountain of deductions and credits in the current tax law (many of which are now essentially useless anyway), it's time to seriously look at going to a true no-deductions flat income tax (other than a generous initial exemption) as soon as possible that ends taxes on bank account interest, capital gains and stock dividend payments--something originally proposed some 14 year ago by Steve Forbes. The very fact the current income tax system encourages American citizens and businesses to offshore savings, jobs and manufacturing facilities, and even corporate headquarters beyond US borders as a means of tax avoidance is flat-out economic insanity; we should simplify and change our tax laws so we keep our savings and capital investments as much as possible in the USA, which would help build up bank assets again and encourage American companies to keep jobs, manufacturing facilities and even corporate headquarters here in the USA, a step very necessary for true economic recovery and future growth.

48 posted on 08/29/2010 9:57:01 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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Laura Tyson, a professor at the Haas School of Business at the University of California, Berkeley,

Why on earth would anyone listen to an economist from UC-Berkeley? That's like asking a communist for stock picks.

What I find to be simply amazing is that the Democrats have been spending money like there's no tomorrow for the past 18 months, presumably to help the economy.

The only problem is is that NOW they are saying Obama and his politburo need to concentrate on JOBS now. Hello? Knock, knock. McFly!?? Why have they been spending ANY OF THIS MONEY on other things other than to stimulate job creation? And these idiots think they deserve to stay in office?

49 posted on 08/29/2010 10:12:24 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (It's easy being a communist when you're rich.)
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To: vrwc1
The economy is simply responding to the Obama policies already enacted and the threat of additional government controls over how businesses and investors can operate in the future. The most touted stimulus spending so far (Cash for Clunkers and the home buyer credits) have resulted in small bubbles that have quickly deflated as soon as the stimulus stopped.

By threatening to increase government spending even more and increase tax rates, the Obama administration will generate economic stagnation at best and an even bigger recession has become a strong possibility. Those with money are looking for safe places to wait out the uncertainty Obama is generating. They won't be creating new jobs any time soon.

50 posted on 08/29/2010 10:23:37 PM PDT by eggman (JournOlist - All the news we choose to use and abuse.)
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