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Glenn Beck rally attendance: calculating how many really showed up (Remote sensing est.: > 800,000)
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 08/30/2010 | Peter Grier

Posted on 08/30/2010 2:09:21 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Glenn Beck rally attendance has become hotly contested following Saturday's event in Washington. But from Woodstock to the Million Man March, figuring out the number of people who show up at big events has never been easy.

Can we really get an accurate count of the number of people who attended Saturday's Glenn Beck “Restoring Honor” rally? The answer might be, “No, we can’t.”

Crowd-counting science is far from exact. Much of it is based on examination of overhead photos to calculate crowd density and related statistics. It reminds us of the old intelligence agency practice of “shedology,” in which the Central Intelligence Agency and others estimated Soviet weapons numbers by looking at overhead photos of military sheds and calculating how many tanks they might hold.

Plus, numbers are inevitably colored by an estimator’s interest. Rally organizers usually say crowds were huge, bigger than expected. Critics will say the numbers were less than anticipated. That’s been the case for years.

That’s led to controversy in the past. In October 1995, the National Park Service estimated that about 400,000 people attended the “Million Man March” organized by the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan. Organizers were so angry they sent lawyers to meet with the Park Service.

Shortly thereafter, the Boston University Center for Remote Sensing estimated that the crowd had been 837,000, plus or minus 20 percent. What was the difference? The Park Service counted via pictures taken from videotape. The Center for Remote Sensing used original photo negatives.

Photos of the Beck event clearly show a big crowd. The weather was great – whatever the exact figure, there were a lot of people there.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 828; dc; glennbeck; rally; restorehonor; restoringhonor
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The article observes :

* The area along the Reflecting Pool stretching out from the Lincoln Memorial was packed.

* very large crowds gathered all the way to the Washington Monument.

* The crowd was so huge that it disrupted Washington's subway system.

Services from at least 12 subway stops were disrupted due to long lines for entry. This was unprecedented.

1 posted on 08/30/2010 2:09:25 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
This can't be true.

SeeBS said only 27 people showed up.

2 posted on 08/30/2010 2:13:49 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: SeekAndFind

At first I figured the crowd to be about 300k but when I saw the areal photo I realized there was about twice that many that my wife and I never saw.


3 posted on 08/30/2010 2:14:20 PM PDT by Franklin Wright (In the spirit of "Restoring Honor" I'm now posting under my real name.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sharpton had 2,000, max. Where’s the Media on that?


4 posted on 08/30/2010 2:14:23 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“SeeBS said only 27 people showed up.”

Yes, but next quarter they will “unexpectedly” revise that estimate DOWN to 25!


5 posted on 08/30/2010 2:15:06 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go home!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I heard “possibly tens of thousands” on MSM. So who is righ?


6 posted on 08/30/2010 2:17:29 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

CBS hired left leaning stooges to give a low ball estimate. They look like jackasses.


7 posted on 08/30/2010 2:18:31 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“SeeBS said only 27 people showed up.”

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If you looked at their pics, you would think so. Wider views show far more. I have one of the wide pics and even that one doesn’t show everyone — eg, the people behind the trees or those people in front of the fountain.


8 posted on 08/30/2010 2:18:55 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: wac3rd

And I have yet to hear from the MSM that MLK’s niece was a speaker. They mentioned Palin was there, though.


9 posted on 08/30/2010 2:19:07 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012 (Proud Infidel)
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To: SeekAndFind

The question is who do you believe Christains or communists.


10 posted on 08/30/2010 2:19:59 PM PDT by Tigen (I shall raise you one .)
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To: SeekAndFind

Read on the net today that the Metro had over 180,000 more riders than normal for a Saturday. That being the case the number has to be way up there when one considers those that took buses, walked, etc.


11 posted on 08/30/2010 2:20:46 PM PDT by engrpat (A village in Kenya is missing their idiot...lets send him back)
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To: SeekAndFind

So was the turn-ou expected or unexpected? ;-)


12 posted on 08/30/2010 2:25:12 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m not too concerned about the number of people who showed up to this event, although I understand turnout was healthy, and that makes me happy.

What struck me is that people putting on an event about restoring honor had to wear bullet proof vests under clothes. That made me pause and think about the kind of people that there are out there.

I’m very happy things went so well, that was really an example of one of the ideals of America right there for everyone to see.


13 posted on 08/30/2010 2:29:32 PM PDT by chris37
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To: SeekAndFind
(Remote sensing est.: > 800,000)

Did you misread your article? I believe that the remote sensing referred to a Nation of Islam Million Man March which occurred years ago.

14 posted on 08/30/2010 2:30:33 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: SeekAndFind
There were 130,000+ people watching the rally on ustream.tv. That is a very big number. Hugh!

Beck was selling mom, dad and apple pie at his event. He was reminding us of big fins on cars, Audie Murphy, honesty, Leave it to Beaver, Chuck Yeager and Chuck Norris. American knowhow and American ingenuity. Smiles and warm handshakes and the American melting pot. I watched the man and he seemed inspired from on high. It was a good thing that Beck did. But not for those that think bad is good and good is bad.

Becks big mistake was showing those of us that remember a great America great Americans. By speaking of MLK and those that gave up everything fighting for this country. Beck too showed the young that this country was built on the backs and the blood of unique and brave people. Of all colors. Beck's spoken words were inspiring because he honored great Americans of the past. By doing so Beck showed how lacking and pathetic Obama is and he did so without saying anything about Obama. That is what has the nutcases that hate America all bothered. Obama is nothing. A nobody. He is an empty suit full of empty words peddling a gay bicycle. He inspires nothing good. Beck is a person that does.

Beck and the crowds scared the small minded on the left and those that hate America. Good for him!

15 posted on 08/30/2010 2:35:23 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: Tigen
*The question is who do you believe Christains or communists.*

I ask a similar question when it comes to evolution:
“Do you believe the guesswork of man, or the Word of God who was an eyewitness?”

My nephews were taught to ask “scientists” who might try to sell them on the notion of evolution, “Were you there?”

16 posted on 08/30/2010 2:35:23 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: engrpat

Nice report. Good call...


17 posted on 08/30/2010 2:37:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (UniTea! It's not Rs vs Ds you dimwits. It's Cs vs Ls. Cut the crap & lets build for success.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

These are probably the same CBS “experts” who proved that the Killian memos were real.


18 posted on 08/30/2010 2:37:40 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: chris37

I guess I’m wondering why people are hung up on numbers. Yes, I noticed that Glenn and I think Sarah, were wearing bullet-proof vests. And, the left calls us hate mongers and violent? Their hypocrisy is outstanding!


19 posted on 08/30/2010 2:38:40 PM PDT by Catsrus (Have)
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To: oldbill

This was done in that same exact spirit.


20 posted on 08/30/2010 2:38:53 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: the_Watchman

RE: Did you misread your article?

Yes I did. My error. I am not sure if Remote Sensing was used in this particular case. I apologize.


21 posted on 08/30/2010 2:40:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Catsrus

RE: Yes, I noticed that Glenn and I think Sarah, were wearing bullet-proof vests

You’re being facetious right ?


22 posted on 08/30/2010 2:41:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: ExTxMarine

NBC is on their knees for Obama nation!


23 posted on 08/30/2010 2:42:52 PM PDT by JFC
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To: wac3rd

RE: Sharpton had 2,000, max

Just curious, who made this estimation ?


24 posted on 08/30/2010 2:44:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
SeeBS said only 27 people showed up.

That's pretty close...to the number of viewers watching Katie Couric!

25 posted on 08/30/2010 2:44:22 PM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: engrpat
I understand that they have a pretty accurate number of bus riders, because they had to register in advance so adequate parking could be allotted. That number was said to be 300,000, if you add the up ridership on Saturday you have 480,000, which is what I thought from the beginning
26 posted on 08/30/2010 2:44:31 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: SeekAndFind
My family and I sat underneath the trees and were shoulder to shoulder with other familys, where there was shade...the crowd was packed THICK under it! Can only see how much from the ground level photos.
27 posted on 08/30/2010 2:45:00 PM PDT by defal33 (Michigan: Stuck on Stupid)
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To: SeekAndFind
My family and I sat underneath the trees and were shoulder to shoulder with other familys, where there was shade...the crowd was packed THICK under it! Can only see how much from the ground level photos.
28 posted on 08/30/2010 2:45:11 PM PDT by defal33 (Michigan: Stuck on Stupid)
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To: SeekAndFind

WaPo blogs yesterday.


29 posted on 08/30/2010 2:45:32 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Just let them keep telling their side that. They’re inadvertently keeping the libdems in a less frenzied state. When we get finished on November, 2nd, all their estimates will be shown to have been nothing but spin.


30 posted on 08/30/2010 2:45:38 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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RE: “There were 130,000+ people watching the rally on ustream.tv.”

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I wonder how many were watching on CPAN, which carried the entire event, then repeated it immediately afterward for those who’d missed it—

It had to be a huge number, far surpassing the very large crowds in D.C. If all the attendees, TV viewers, radio listeners, internet watchers were added up, I suspect we would be totally shocked at the huge number —

The left is stunned; listening to their comments since Saturday certainly proves that.


31 posted on 08/30/2010 2:45:48 PM PDT by CaliforniaCon
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To: defal33
Smithsonian wants to preserve artifacts from this rally...Glen just announced it on his show!
32 posted on 08/30/2010 2:47:08 PM PDT by defal33 (Michigan: Stuck on Stupid)
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To: defal33
Smithsonian wants to preserve artifacts from this rally...Glen just announced it on his show!
33 posted on 08/30/2010 2:47:24 PM PDT by defal33 (Michigan: Stuck on Stupid)
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To: SeekAndFind

RE “ Yes, I noticed that Glenn and I think Sarah, were wearing bullet-proof vests”

and...............

“You’re being facetious right ? “

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It was OBVIOUS that Beck was wearing a bullet proof vest when he turned around. One could clearly see the outline of the vest on his back. I could not tell re Sarah but I’m sure she was probably wearing one, too.


34 posted on 08/30/2010 2:48:54 PM PDT by CaliforniaCon
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To: the_Watchman
Did you misread your article? I believe that the remote sensing referred to a Nation of Islam Million Man March which occurred years ago.

Did you misread your response?

That is exactly what the article stated, and the poster merely provided the article for our reading pleasure.

35 posted on 08/30/2010 2:49:00 PM PDT by ken in texas
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“SeeBS said only 27 people showed up”.

I understand they will revise that number up ... to 57.

They figured out there was one person there from each state.


36 posted on 08/30/2010 2:50:20 PM PDT by JohnEBoy
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To: SeekAndFind
The National Park Service counted 300,000 from video tapes taken from a plane. This means if you were under a tree in the shade you were not counted.

The number is over 300,000 any way you slice it.

CBS and CNN can peddle their “tens of thousands” lies all they want. Video tapes don't lie.

I watched it on C-Span. I wonder how many others did?

37 posted on 08/30/2010 2:53:33 PM PDT by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: CaliforniaCon

RE: It was OBVIOUS that Beck was wearing a bullet proof vest when he turned around


If true, this is scary. That could mean there must have beeb a threat to shoot Beck and he was taking it seriously.

If you consider the fact that there was an offer of a reward at the Huffington Post to anyone who could dig up ANY scandal in Glenn Beck’s life ( offer since pulled from their website ), this is potential threat not as unthinkable as I thought it would be...

There are people who hate the man enough to want to physically harm him.


38 posted on 08/30/2010 2:54:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: CaliforniaCon
Glenn announced this morning on his radio show he was wearing a bullet proof vest. Alveeda King was offered one and she turned around, citing her faith in God.

Amazing!

39 posted on 08/30/2010 2:55:59 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: SeekAndFind

See post # 39!


40 posted on 08/30/2010 2:58:34 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: engrpat
FYI…

Metro ridership spiked on day of Glenn Beck rally (510,000 riders)

41 posted on 08/30/2010 3:01:54 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen (It's the 'Land of Opportunity'... NOT... the 'Land of Entitlements'!!!)
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To: wac3rd
Sharpton had 2,000, max. Where’s the Media on that?

My same thoughts, isn't the focus on the wrong "gathering" here?

42 posted on 08/30/2010 3:09:12 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind

But wait, didn’t one of the MSM (code word for propaganda) stations say it was about 87,000? They wouldn’t lie to the American people would they? Or would they? (sarc.)


43 posted on 08/30/2010 3:13:36 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: ken in texas

Perhaps you should refer to post #21 above. The problem was with the original title. It implied that the remote sensing technique had estimated Beck’s rally at >800,000. The original poster graciously concurred with my observation.


44 posted on 08/30/2010 3:18:15 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: SeekAndFind

Most people are not concerned with the exact numbers, as it is next to impossible to get them right. It is, however, the blatant lies of ‘ten of thousands people’ when it’s clear it was in the ‘hundred of thousands people’-range, that make people angry.


45 posted on 08/30/2010 3:21:22 PM PDT by paudio (The Democrats have been majority in Congress since 2006, not 2008!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sharpton had 10s of 10s.


46 posted on 08/30/2010 3:26:13 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: SeekAndFind
The crowd was so huge that it disrupted Washington's subway system.

I can vouch for that. It was a mess.

47 posted on 08/30/2010 3:27:16 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Accompanied by this public service ad to counteract the Restoring Honor attendees:
48 posted on 08/30/2010 3:35:03 PM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: SeekAndFind

Nope.


49 posted on 08/30/2010 3:43:01 PM PDT by Catsrus (Have)
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To: SeekAndFind

And they left the place spotless!


50 posted on 08/30/2010 3:53:55 PM PDT by Artcore
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