Skip to comments.Islam's Complex, But Not a Threat (multiple Barf alert required)
Posted on 08/31/2010 7:49:00 AM PDT by CedarDave
The culture of America is always under siege. Countless new arrivals have transformed American culture over the generations. Muslims from places as diverse as Morocco, Albania and Malaysia will change American culture, too. Whoever follows them will change it again. The idea that a handful of Islamic radicals can destroy a nation of 300 million people protected by the world's largest military is absurd.
But questions about the Muslim world and its intentions toward the United States deserve answers, and I don't mean the ignorant rants polluting cyberspace. Fortunately, we have Karen Armstrong, a former Roman Catholic nun and an Oxford-trained religious scholar whose writings I have cribbed for much of this column.
Unlike Jesus, Muhammad directed his followers not to convert others. ... The Quran says "there shall be no coercion in matters of faith." The Quran has much to say about social justice and little to say about the nature of God. Muhammad thought theology was useless speculation. Unlike the Bible, the Quran has almost nothing to say about law. Shariah, the body of Islamic law that upsets so many Westerners and is practiced by few Muslim countries, developed a century after Muhammad in response to the corruption of absolute monarchs who had gained power in the Arab world. Much of shariah seems to have stemmed from regional norms, since things like punishing adultery, homosexuality and blasphemy with death are found in shariah and in the Bible. The veiling and isolation of women was adopted from Greek Christian practice.
People are worried about a passage in the Quran they believe requires Muslims to kill infidels. In its historical context, the passage means Muslims can defend themselves from religiously motivated attack. The Old Testament says much the same thing about Jews.
(Excerpt) Read more at abqjournal.com ...
He completely misunderstands that Muslims can lie, cheat, steal to advance the cause of Islam over the infidels. He ignores the recent history of Europe where Muslims are not assimilating but instead remaining isolated in their enclaves while pushing for Shariah law for Muslims and non-Muslims alike and honor-killing women who have somehow dishonored the family by adopting Western dress or attitudes.
This is his Rodney King plea that "Can't we just all get along??"
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I ran across this too. It seems as though its OK to lie in order to convert someone to Islam, The ends justifies the means:
Those three words and concepts are:
Taqiyya - concealing or disguising ones beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies
Kitman - half-truths that mislead and deceive
Tu-Quoque - the diversionary tactic of accusing others of Muslims own lack of peace and tolerance
So whether its Ahmadinejad regarding nuclear weapons, or iman Rauf regarding the the ground zero mosque, dont forget that their religion not only allows, but encourages, those concepts when dealing with non-Muslims - to the point that they such actions are considered good and part of the works that will earn them a place in heaven.
It does not matter that most muslims are not terrorists, What matters is that most terrorists are muslims.
The writer is a cretin.
I learned all I needed to know about Islam on 9/11. Did this nimrod sleep through that day, or what?
Wonder if Quigly is on Purple Haze or the Orange Sunshine today?
The mosk isn’t a mosk. It’s a symbol. The left uses it as an excuse to defend their friends, the headchoppers. Normal people see it as an example of the advance of the headchoppers.
My proposal: deport all liberals along with their friends, the headchoppers.
Winthrop Quigley — this guy’s name says it all: a weak, cringing, frightened little dhimmi. Be glad, Winthrop, that there are brave, tough men (and women) who stand in harm’s way to defend your freedoms.
Every mosque is a copy of every other one. They may look a little different but the message in the bottle is the same. sharia is sharia. And it will be the only law of every land. The US Constitution is at the top of the islam hit list.
All of this is true, the moslems have written it down and said it out loud. And showed us on 9/11. No amount of wishful thinking, political correctness or a blind eye will change the basic and unquestionable fact that islam is here to destroy America.
islam is not a religion, just a sneaky way to enslave humans.
Yeah, that sure looks complex
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“Islam’s Complex, But Not a Threat”
There is a scarred hole in the ground in lower Manhattan that begs to differ.
I am grateful that all muslims are not terrorist, however, to follow the way of Mohammad they will all be asked to be terorist..
I do want to convert all muslims to a living faith in Jesus..
Islam is a political lie, mohamm knew it too.
Yeah boy...not a threat as long as you SUBMIT!
He got it all from the writings of Karen Armstrong. Nuff said.
Only someone named Winthrop Quigley (really??) could come up with something like this.
So they “will” transform American culture and we should just accept it. Except Islamic theocracy is completely INCOMPATIBLE with our Constitution.
It is a competing system of government just as Communism is.
Kitman - half-truths that mislead and deceive
Tu-Quoque - the diversionary tactic of accusing others of Muslims own lack of peace and tolerance
These three words point out how similar the parallel evils of islam and marxism are. The marxist translation that we would understand for these three words are:
Islam and marxism see the world in just about the same way except for a belief in God. And they both want the same goal (for the time being): the destruction of America and all western civilization.
Like most pro-Muslim writers, this guy ignores a central fact of Islam. In the most moderate of Muslim countries - Turkey, Malaysia and Indonisia - relatively small numbers of fundamentalists kill, bomb and terrorize with a degree of impunity due to the sympathy the majority have for them.
Ba-raq - to conceal one's documents (birth certificate, transcripts, writings, etc.) from public view.
Conversion is not coerced?
They why kill of the men and marry off the women and children and bring them up as muslims?
Why conquer lands and refer to them as “Islamic territories”?
We believe in an inalienable right to a freedom of religion. That means freedom to read religious texts. Freedom to enter cities. Freedom to convert away from Islam. The capital of the Islamic empire does not support any of these freedoms. If the capital gets it wrong, how is it the outlying colonies are “getting it right”? Shouldn’t they work to get their own house in order first? Shouldn’t they take the “not really muslim” Islamic supremacists to task? They bow to Mecca 5 times a day, every day. Are they just going through the motions? Or do they not care about the religious freedoms of ALL people?
Islam is simple.
Submit or die.
Winthrop Quigley, the business writer for the Albuquerque Journal, took exception to some of the terms that conservative health care reform protesters have been using so far, because, he writes, I am a big fan of calling things by their proper name. And that proper name, Quigley writes, isnt socialism.
Cassius Clay converted to Islam and became Muhammad Ali.
Barry Soetoro converted to Christianity and became Barack Hussein Obama.
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
1. Compare capitalism an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels
2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system
3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need
Are you sure his last name isn’t Quisling?
Quisling is a term used to describe traitors and collaborators. The term was most commonly used for fascist political parties and military and paramilitary forces in occupied Allied countries which collaborated with Axis occupiers in World War II, as well as for their members and other collaborators.
The term was coined by the British newspaper The Times in an editorial published on April 15, 1940 entitled “Quislings everywhere” after the Norwegian Vidkun Quisling, who assisted Nazi Germany after it conquered his own country so that he could rule the collaborationist Norwegian government himself.
Where are feminists and the gay/lesbian activist protesting Islam?
Instead of not allowing ‘gay marriage’ (an oxymoron) Muslims actually KILL them.
Instead of an ‘oppressive patriarchy’ Muslims stone women to death and treat them with less respect than cattle.
Yet the response from the left: Silence.
“Fortunately, we have Karen Armstrong, a former Roman Catholic nun and an Oxford-trained religious scholar whose writings I have cribbed for much of this column...”
A former Catholic nun, she asserts that, “All the great traditions are saying the same thing in much the same way, despite their surface differences.”
(sounds like a unitarian or polytheist, or agnostic. Note too that this is Obama’s stated religious philosophy)
“I say that religion isn’t about believing things. It’s about what you do. It’s ethical alchemy. It’s about behaving in a way that changes you, that gives you intimations of holiness and sacredness.”
She points out that religious fundamentalism is not just a response to but, paradoxically, a product of contemporary culture. “We need to create a new narrative, get out of the rat-run of hatred, chauvinism and defensiveness; and make the authentic voice of religion a power in the world that is conducive to peace.”
(so what is she doing to CHANGE Fundamentalist Islam?!!)
In an interview with Bill Moyers, Armstrong compared Christianity to Islam, stating that “Islam is a religion of success. Unlike Christianity, which has as its main image, in the west at least, a man dying in a devastating, disgraceful, helpless death...Mohammed was not an apparent failure. He was a dazzling success, politically as well as spiritually, and Islam went from strength to strength to strength.”
Armstrong has also argued that Until the 20th century, Islam was a far more tolerant and peaceful faith than Christianity.”
Nuff said. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
In her bio, I’m not seeing much ra-ra for Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, Paganism, etc. Just a whole lot of “Islam is so marvey!”
Thank you for that expose of Armstrong.
Doesn’t look like she BECAME a nun either, she was in training but failed (around 1969).
It’d be like calling Al Gore a former minister.
Anyone who looks at that picture and sees a threat is to be called a bigot (AP reporting standards).
ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION.
ISLAM IS A SOCIOPATHIC CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE
MODERATE ISLAM IS A TROJAN HORSE FULL OF RADICALS WHO WILL SLAUGHTER US.
There’s no such thing as a moderate muslim. Islam is a violent political ideology with its own set of laws and court system. Religion is only one component used to impose islam on non muslim societies. Islam is anathema to the U.S. Constitution. The two cannot co-exist in the U.S.
Koran is filled (80-90%) with hate for Christians, Jews and blacks. It instructs to kill and conquer them and take their lands and possessions. Muslims believe the Koran to be the perfect word of their goda, Allah. These are the verses that the Islamist terrorists us to justify their murders:
THE KORAN INSTRUCTS MUSLIMS TO FIGHT CHRISTIANS, JEWS AND CONQUER THE WORLD FOR ISLAM:
(The following are only a few of the verses commanding
Muslims to fight)
WARFARE IS ORDAINED FOR YOU, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. (2.216)
“AND FIGHT THEM UNTIL THERE IS NO PERSECUTION , AND RELIGION SHALL BE ONLY FOR ALLAH 2:193
If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 9:39
Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111
Fight those among the People of the Book [i.e. Jews and Christians] ... who do not profess the true religion, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. (9.29)
ISLAM IS THE MOST RACIST, BIGOTED RELIGION, AND THE KORAN IS FILLED WITH HATE FOR ALL OTHER THAN MUSLIMS:
(It is taught in textbooks in some Muslims countries today that Christians are monkeys and Jews are pigs)
Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72
Whoever says Muhammad was black must be killed (Ash-Shifa, Tr. Aisha Abdarrahman, 2004)
Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed. (ibid, p.375)
In one Hadith, Mohammed referred to Blacks as Raisn Heads (Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 1, no. 662 and vol. 9, no. 256), and as pug nosed slaves in Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47.
Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73
Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis.9:34
Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell. 19:35-37
Scourge adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. 24:2
THE KORAN PROMISES COUNTRIES TO CONQUER AND THE SPOILS THERIN:
Sura 33 “And he bequeathed to you their lands, their homes and their possessions, together with land you have never trodden” (33.27) .
MUSLIMS ARE INSTRUCTED IN THE KORAN TO BE STILL UNTIL THEY HAVE THE NUMBERS IN THE COUNTRIES THEY HAVE INVADED:
“Be patient with unbelievers until you have strength” (86.17).
THE KORAN INSTRUCTS MUSLIMS TO BE DECEPTIVE:
Quran 3:28 Don’t have unbelieving friends unless it is to deceive them. Remember the final goal is to Allah.
SHARIA LAW MUST RULE THE WORLD
Allahs law (Sharia) is binding to all 4:135
Allah accepts only Sharia and no other laws 7:29, 57:25
Allah is the Law-giver; He appointed Muhammad to implement the only correct laws (Sharia laws) 45:18
Quran 9:33 ISLAM WILL PREVAIL OVER ALL RELIGIONS
THE FOUNDER OF CAIR HAS TOLD US PLAINLY OF ISLAM’S OBJECTIVE IN AMERICA:
“ISLAM ISN’T IN AMERICA TO BE EQUAL TO ANY OTHER FAITH, BUT TO BECOME DOMINANT. The Koran ... should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth. Everthing we need to know is in the Koran. We don’t need to look somewhere else.”
OMAR M. AHMAD, CHAIRMAN OF CAIR,the mainsteam Muslim advocacy group.
The writer is indeed a cretin, but a very well-trained cretin. Trained in the art of Total Political Correctness and Manipulation of History to Fit Politically Correct Themes.
Unlike Jesus, Muhammad directed his followers not to convert othersNo bigger lie has been posted on the internet. Anywhere. At any time.
This guy is just trying to get out of New Mexico.
So he is writing to the decision makers of the lame stream.
He is just trying to get ahead and is sympathetic to those who my be beheaded, blown up, poisoned, or otherwise killed due to actions.
Winthrop Quigley is the Al Hunt of the ABQ Journal. In other words, predictably leftist.
WQ is probably still suffering from all the teasing he was subjected to because of his name.
Give them access to nukes and we'll see. Winthrop Quigley???
She's a full-on flaming idiot! Where oh where did this tolerance and peacefulness take place?
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