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California bill to ban plastic bags fails
CNN ^ | 9/1/10 | Wire Staff

Posted on 09/01/2010 9:50:20 AM PDT by MissTed

Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- California's Senate has voted down a measure that would have banned plastic bags at grocery stores.

The new ban was rejected by a 21 to 14 vote late Tuesday. The ban would have included grocery stores, convenience stores and drugstores.

The California Assembly passed the legislation in June.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger had said he would have signed the measure into law, the Los Angeles Times reported.

Environmental groups such as the Sierra Club encouraged Californians to contact their state senators to push for the measure.

The group Heal the Bay produced what it calls a "mockumentary," narrated by actor Jeremy Irons, called "The Majestic Plastic Bag" that charts the life of a plastic bag. The video is on YouTube.

The measure had its opponents, too.

The American Chemistry Council criticized California Assemblywoman Julia Brownley, D-Santa Monica, who proposed the bill.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; nannystate; paperorplastic; plasticbags
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I'm surprised it didn't pass.
1 posted on 09/01/2010 9:50:23 AM PDT by MissTed
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To: MissTed

And I am delighted! A drop of sanity in an ocean of crazy!


2 posted on 09/01/2010 9:51:18 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: MissTed

3 posted on 09/01/2010 9:52:01 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: MissTed

I don’t see why we all can’t bring our own bags and eliminate
the paper and plastic.


4 posted on 09/01/2010 9:52:43 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: MissTed; Slings and Arrows; JoeProBono

"That's a relief!"

5 posted on 09/01/2010 9:52:51 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: MissTed

I recycle my store plastic bags as trash bags and doggie waste disposal. If they banned them I would just have to buy plastic bags to use for that. These people are so stupid and short sighted.


6 posted on 09/01/2010 9:54:13 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

You are welcome to do what you want. It is the legislating the rest to do the same that FReepers have a problem with.

The same crowd that is unwilling to protect an unborn baby is perfectly willing to mandate toilet tank size, manner of light bulbs you use (for energy consumption, not toxicity), thermostat temperature, etc.


7 posted on 09/01/2010 9:55:10 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

You certainly have that option.


8 posted on 09/01/2010 9:55:12 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: a fool in paradise

9 posted on 09/01/2010 9:55:24 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
Because I use those bags to pick up the dog poop.

Big dogs, big poop.

The bags can be made biodegradable.

10 posted on 09/01/2010 9:55:35 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: MissTed

Where’s that bill that bans tin foils? That’s what I want to know.


11 posted on 09/01/2010 9:55:43 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: brytlea

Considering the fix that California is in. Well having a bill about Plastic Bags shows why they are in such a mess.


12 posted on 09/01/2010 9:55:49 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: a fool in paradise

And you reminded me. I hate my low flow toilet.


13 posted on 09/01/2010 9:56:22 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: MissTed

person who proposed the bill

14 posted on 09/01/2010 9:57:02 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Because I use my plastic bags for my bathroom and kitty liter disposal.

You bring you own bags and stay the heck out of my business. I’ll continue to use plastic.....double, of course.


15 posted on 09/01/2010 9:57:31 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (Please Lord, give America a second chance.)
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To: JoeProBono

LOL.

Bag lady.


16 posted on 09/01/2010 9:57:39 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: screaminsunshine

Pretty much CA is ruled by idiots. I’m glad I don’t live there, altho FL has issues too.


17 posted on 09/01/2010 9:57:43 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: MissTed

Ban plastic bags, ban plastic water bottles, ban this, ban that. What are they going to ban next - chewing gum?

How about enforcing litter laws? How about enforcing recycling? How about punishing those who are not responsible enough?


18 posted on 09/01/2010 9:58:06 AM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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To: MissTed

Not at all surprising to find out the Sierra Club favors large scale breeding of salmonela and 3-coli ~ which is what happens when you substitute cloth sacks for throw away plastic bags.


19 posted on 09/01/2010 9:58:25 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JoeProBono

20 posted on 09/01/2010 9:58:50 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

To each his own, but if you’re thinking “save the planet”, I have bad news. Plastic bags aren’t the problem.


21 posted on 09/01/2010 9:59:40 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

Want to save the environment? Mandate that all vibrators must use rechargable batteries.


22 posted on 09/01/2010 9:59:58 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: Frenchtown Dan

“How about punishing those who are not responsible enough?”

Punish people whom the government feels is not “responsible enough”?! You’re kidding, yes? Tell me you’re kidding.


23 posted on 09/01/2010 10:01:45 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: Frenchtown Dan
How about enforcing litter laws?

The problem comes when garbage is dumped into international waters.

But then no one has ever pushed for the mob to go green.

24 posted on 09/01/2010 10:02:15 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: MissTed
Ban plastic bags fails?

Nancy Pelosi must feel relieved.


25 posted on 09/01/2010 10:02:15 AM PDT by moovova
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To: muawiyah

Thanks, you beat me to it. I’m actually stunned that common sense and public health prevailed in this case. CA usually goes the other way.

Now if we can just repeal the windmills and solar panels mandate and open up some oil fields, sanity may be on its way back in...


26 posted on 09/01/2010 10:03:27 AM PDT by Argus
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To: thackney

LOL

I guess you don’t recycle used plastic bags?

I’ve had plastic bags attach themselves to the
undercarriage of my car and burn.

Something about my car seems to attract them. grrrr


27 posted on 09/01/2010 10:03:45 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: MissTed
In Taiwan, they charge a nickel per bag. Amazing how many people don't want a bag when they have to pay for it.

A similar tax in Ireland cut bag usage by 90%.

28 posted on 09/01/2010 10:04:15 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: MissTed

+1 for the people.
-1 for the environuts.

Many people recycle these bags for dog poop, etc. And most of us (particularly those who walk) don’t want to carry ugly bags everywhere just in case we decide to make a purchase.


29 posted on 09/01/2010 10:04:20 AM PDT by KingofZion
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To: a fool in paradise

Not saying there should be a law. Just saying, I use my bags and I hate the plastic crap that tears. If anyone else has the want to, they shouldn’t hesitate to do so.


30 posted on 09/01/2010 10:04:40 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: This Just In

Try keeping things in context, ok?
Enforcing litter and recycling laws.


31 posted on 09/01/2010 10:05:45 AM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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To: thackney

You should learn to use a canvas bag. As with groceries. < /sarc >


32 posted on 09/01/2010 10:06:30 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: moovova

Ban plastic bags fails?
Nancy Pelosi must feel relieved.

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You win Post of the Day!


33 posted on 09/01/2010 10:07:00 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

I guess you don’t recycle used plastic bags?

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The grocery store has asked that I stop bringing mine back to place in their recycle bins.

Really big dogs, +100 lbs.


34 posted on 09/01/2010 10:09:01 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: a fool in paradise
You should learn to use a canvas bag. As with groceries

Rinse and repeat.

35 posted on 09/01/2010 10:09:20 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: MissTed
Excellent!

Plastic bags = Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein
36 posted on 09/01/2010 10:09:25 AM PDT by crosshairs (If I agreed with a liberal, then we would BOTH be wrong.)
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To: brytlea

Our issues here are with Northern Nazis and other Aliens that want to impose the FAILED liberal Agenda that sank the Rust belt.
Notes on coming Elections: how many candidates are born and raised here?
How many want to see us adopt LIBERAL polices?
“Northern Nazis” does not include all YANKEES!


37 posted on 09/01/2010 10:09:35 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Flush Congress in 2010 & 2012)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

The plastic crap DOES tear. It’s made from recycled milk jugs. Almost makes you wonder why those are recycled if that is to be the end product.

The stores I’ve seen that use them know that they tear so they double bag every plastic bag. And it is not uncommon to see the baggers having 5-10 little bags of purchases for one customer.

Paper grocery sacks aren’t what they once were either and some stores now double bag those as well.


38 posted on 09/01/2010 10:10:40 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: thackney

Good one.


39 posted on 09/01/2010 10:11:21 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

I you don’t mind rinsing things with dog feces on them.


40 posted on 09/01/2010 10:11:50 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

A store my wife goes to sells canvas bags with nice strong straps for very cheap. She uses them over and over and can even wash them.

Seems to me to be a good solution. No plastic bags with straps that either break or dig into your hands and then get dumped and wind up all over the place, and no paper meaning less trees cut.

It works for us.


41 posted on 09/01/2010 10:12:16 AM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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To: Persevero
If only there was some type of biodegradable material that the bags could be made of. Perhaps something made from a renewable resource, maybe some type of plant fiber.

You could even hope that they would be stiff enough to stand up on there own and allow easy loading of the groceries

42 posted on 09/01/2010 10:15:21 AM PDT by lost in the snow
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To: Doe Eyes
Folks pay the nickel around here ~ and if they go to Aldi's they pay even more!

Plastic bags are useful.

43 posted on 09/01/2010 10:15:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: a fool in paradise
So, we can't use plastic and we can't use paper. I gather I am supposed to collect an assortment of some 12 odd bags to lug to and from the grocery store each time. Cuz I don't have enough crap to think about.

Besides, sometimes the bag is part of the shopping experience. Which would explain why leftists hate them. Make life as unpleasant as possible, that's their motto.

44 posted on 09/01/2010 10:16:40 AM PDT by riri
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To: thackney

Biodegradability is not really an issue even though most people think it is.

Plastic packaging is routinely criticized because it doesn’t decay in landfills, but neither does most other packaging. Paper, cardboard and other organic materials-while technically biodegradable-tend to remain intact in the airless confines of a landfill. These mummified materials actually use much more landfill space than plastic packaging. 12 plastic grocery bags will fit in the space occupied by one paper bag.


45 posted on 09/01/2010 10:17:10 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: Frenchtown Dan

Wash your food thoroughly, clean the counter with strong antiseptics, and cook everything to at least 180 degrees for 2 minutes.


46 posted on 09/01/2010 10:17:35 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

That man-head needs a bag over it (plastic or paper).


47 posted on 09/01/2010 10:18:23 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: lost in the snow

Biodegradable Plastic Bags
http://www.friendlybags.com/


48 posted on 09/01/2010 10:19:09 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: a fool in paradise

You are right about that.

I have 4 bags about 16 in x 16 in x 16 in D,
made from hemp and they are the strongest
thing around.

I fill myself and I can get approx. 8 plastic bags worth
in 2 hemp bags. Long straps and short straps so
I can carry over my shoulder or by hand.

The only thing is you have to remember to grab them from the car.


49 posted on 09/01/2010 10:19:37 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: MissTed

I remember the advent of plastic bags in the 70’s. They were touted by the environmentally ‘conscious’ of the day as being an attractive alternative to destroying living trees for the sake of paper bags. Granolas were walking around asking each other, “Do you know how many trees had to die to make that bag”? Never mind that the answer was in the neighborhood of 1/10000th of one tree, it was the sentiment that mattered apparently. Giant Foods even issued books (printed on paper) celebrating their socially responsive policies. Concurrently, they also dedicated an aisle in the store to Generic products. No brand names, just the product name in black and white. Paper Towels, macaroni, maple syrup, and my favorite, Beer which was surprisingly good (and cheap!). Just a white can with one word printed on it in black...BEER. It still makes me laugh just thinking about it. I’m sorry, what were we talking about? Oh right, you tried those gel inserts for your shoes...so what did you think? Do they work? Uh huh. Uh huh.


50 posted on 09/01/2010 10:19:53 AM PDT by davius (You can roll manure in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly doughnut.)
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