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Hundreds of N.J. students who can't do simple math are credited with passing calculus, report says
NJ.com ^ | 9/1/10 | Staff

Posted on 09/01/2010 10:39:44 AM PDT by nmh

Hundreds of N.J. students who can't do simple math were credited with passing calculus, according to a report on APP.com.

According to a Department of Education report, "there were other students, unable ultimately to evidence even simple math skills, who were unimaginably recorded by their schools as succeeding in Algebra II or even Calculus."

A report delivered at today's state Board of Education meeting will recommend four new policies to aid students who weren't proficient enough in reading, writing or math to meet state graduation standards.

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My solution?

Get rid of the calculators given out to kindergartners. Don't laugh! They start them out on calculators in public schools.

This ast spring our brillant public school teachers were wondering if kids really knew their math facts in middle school and elelmentary school. So for the FIRST time they had ONE section of the math test where they could NOT use calculators in determining the righ tmultiple choice answer. (Rolling my eyes). For the rest of the math testing, CALCULATORS were allowed and ENCOURAGED in determining which multiple choice answer was CORRECT.

1 posted on 09/01/2010 10:39:48 AM PDT by nmh
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To: nmh
Hundreds of N.J. students who can't do simple math were credited with passing spelling the word "calculus."
2 posted on 09/01/2010 10:41:55 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: nmh

thank you AFT and NEA

way to go marxist doooooshbags.


3 posted on 09/01/2010 10:42:31 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: nmh

I hope Christie’s on some GOOD blood pressure meds.


4 posted on 09/01/2010 10:42:38 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: nmh

Similarly, John Thompson, basketball coach at Georgetown University was long lauded in the liberal sports media, for the near 100% “graduation rate” among his “student athletes”.

Racist rubber stamp anyone?


5 posted on 09/01/2010 10:42:38 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: nmh

When i was doing my Calc testing they wouldnt let us use the fancy Calcs that did it all for you... you had to use the simpler ones...


6 posted on 09/01/2010 10:43:10 AM PDT by wyowolf ("we were the winners , cause we didn't know we could fail.")
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To: nmh

I believe we have a crisis in math teaching and their principals.


7 posted on 09/01/2010 10:43:19 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: nmh

In all fairness, one of Princeton’s highest faculty members was poor at basic math. However he was a whiz at the higher levels. His name was Al Einstein I believe.


8 posted on 09/01/2010 10:43:24 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: nmh

This is criminal, pure and simple. The students are the victims, all for the benefit of school administrators and teachers.

Teacher’s unions must be broken if our youth are to survive, and thus Our Republic.


9 posted on 09/01/2010 10:44:01 AM PDT by J Edgar
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To: nmh
"The world needs ditch diggers too."


10 posted on 09/01/2010 10:44:50 AM PDT by Vasilli22
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To: nmh

idiot savants!!!!!!!!


11 posted on 09/01/2010 10:44:55 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
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To: wyowolf
When i was doing my Calc testing they wouldnt let us use the fancy Calcs that did it all for you... you had to use the simpler ones...

We didn't have them to use...they existed, but were prohibitively expensive. I saw my old slide rule in my parents' basement a few years ago, and couldn't remember how to use it.

12 posted on 09/01/2010 10:46:07 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: nmh
I guess there are no limits in those schools.

-PJ

13 posted on 09/01/2010 10:46:47 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: nina0113

Doubtful.

Christie is too busy loking for ways to get federal money and void the Tenth Amendment.

The tenth amendment to the Constitution provides the basis in legal theory for making education a function of the states. It reads “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the States are reserved to the States respectively or to the people.” Although this amendment does not specifically direct the states to assume the responsibility for providing education its effect has been no less.

http://answers.encyclopedia.com/question/does-tenth-amendment-influence-education-law-426840.html

Christie is willing to give away YOUR right to COTROL eduation in the STATE in exchange for FEDERAL MONEY and have the FEDERAL government set YOUR education standards which are LOWER than NJ state.

That’s tht truth.


14 posted on 09/01/2010 10:47:04 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
I went a couple of rounds with my daughters math teacher in Christian school. They used calculators. I asked her what will happen when a calculator isn't handy? She said "they can use mine". She's gonna follow them throughout life?!

Also she did not have them work the problem out on paper, only write the answer. I asked her how she checked their calculations. She had no good answer.

It seems that public or private school, it doesn't matter, the education level is in the basement.

15 posted on 09/01/2010 10:48:39 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: J Edgar

“This is criminal, pure and simple. The students are the victims, all for the benefit of school administrators and teachers.

Teacher’s unions must be broken if our youth are to survive, and thus Our Republic.”

They also aren’t stupid. Kids can see that teachers aren’t required to “pass” individual efforts either. They are rewarded based on their membership in the class (union). Why should students strive for individual accomplishments in the face of that glaring hypocrisy? What counts is not what you know but what group in which you hold membership.


16 posted on 09/01/2010 10:48:51 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Don Corleone
“In all fairness, one of Princeton’s highest faculty members was poor at basic math. However he was a whiz at the higher levels. His name was Al Einstein I believe.”

Do you really believe that statement?

Really?

Can't do basic math and a genius at higher level math?

Do you realize the craziness of that statement?

Or do you prefer to believe that kids not know BASIC math willmiraclulost be Einsteins?

LOL!!!

17 posted on 09/01/2010 10:49:26 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Who gave Obama tons of $$s? Who whines the most for more $$s? Teachers! The NEA or AFT have a product that ought to be spectacular in all areas....sadly, American Teachers are failing. Teacher’s UNIONS do not ‘a better teacher make’, in fact Teacher’s UNIONS keep teachers from being all they can be. My state teacher’s UNION demands non-union teachers pay dues to that communist organization...the product, children with an education, is way down on the list.


18 posted on 09/01/2010 10:49:50 AM PDT by yoe ("N" is for NO for Progressives in government.)
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To: nmh
My solution? Dissolve the teacher's union.

They are not concerned with education, they exist for their own sake.

19 posted on 09/01/2010 10:49:51 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: metmom; JenB; Clintonfatigued

One of the many reasons we homeschool in NJ.


20 posted on 09/01/2010 10:50:37 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: nmh

So? I kicked arse in a lot of upper-level math classes, and I still multiply 3 and 3 and get 6, or forget to carry the one. It’s called carelessness brought on by complacency brought on by superior skillfulness.

Oh, wait, we’re talking about the normal people?


21 posted on 09/01/2010 10:51:17 AM PDT by Julia H. (Freedom of speech and freedom from criticism are mutually exclusive.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Do they still have to memorize the times-tables?


22 posted on 09/01/2010 10:53:48 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: nmh

And bring back those epsilons and deltas, calculus’ little helpers!


23 posted on 09/01/2010 10:54:00 AM PDT by Blagden Alley
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To: nmh
And we are surprised by this? Look at whose President ... he’s a walking testimonial to grade inflation, pass through, liberalism. The fact BO will not release any information whatsoever on his grades, or class standing, at any university he supposedly attended speaks volumes.
24 posted on 09/01/2010 10:54:10 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: nmh

Calculators have no place in a teaching environment. If they want to learn to use a calculator later, read the freakin’ manual. I could get behind allowing the use of a slipstick for classes after Algebra II.


25 posted on 09/01/2010 10:54:40 AM PDT by ronnyquest (There's a communist living in the White House! Now, what are you going to do about it?)
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To: nmh
"can't do simple math" == "passed ebono-calculus"

It's just a matter of definition.
26 posted on 09/01/2010 10:55:19 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: nmh

At one time it was reported that A.E. really had trouble with the simple concepts. His thought process was so far advanced. I remember a newsreel purporting that he needed help with his taxes. Just saying.


27 posted on 09/01/2010 10:55:30 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Don Corleone
"In all fairness, one of Princeton’s highest faculty members was poor at basic math. However he was a whiz at the higher levels. His name was Al Einstein I believe."

Contrary to popular myth, Einstein was good at simple math.

28 posted on 09/01/2010 10:56:33 AM PDT by ronnyquest (There's a communist living in the White House! Now, what are you going to do about it?)
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To: DJ MacWoW
It depends on the school.

We had ours in a private Christian school and NO calculators were allowed until middle school. Then the school went humanistically LIBERAL and we have her in another private school.

Our daughter is just wrapping up John Hopkins, CTY, Honors Pre Algebra and she is going into 6th grade. NO calculators are allowed and we don't allow them either. I am also a closet homeschooler so I don't allow that crap. You really have to make sure they know their stuff. More is on the parents today because the teachers are busy taking the easy way out.

We also stay with traditional math with some Singapore Math. What they have in public schools is GARBAGE and the GROUP THING stuff is dangerous. It erodes self confidence and individual responsibility.

In middle school, public schools no longer teach grammar. No! They are supposed to figure it out by reading LIBERAL books. When's the last time you read a book looking for what ann independent clause was in a book when you had never heard of an "independent clause"? It's insane. But it gives the teachers LESS WORK. Teahers LOVE group projects because that is LESS WORK.

29 posted on 09/01/2010 10:56:44 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

G-d provided calculators when we were born...people need to start using them.


30 posted on 09/01/2010 10:57:03 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: nmh

I wonder if this is partly due to changes in college admissions. When colleges embraced affirmative action in recruitment, they did so by establishing rules like accepting the top 5 percent of high school students etc. SAT or other third party assessments were abandoned as biased and high schools acquired a greater influence on which of their students went to college. Grade inflation in high schools really sky rocketed to give under performing or ‘strivers’ a chance at college. But the next step after high grades is to have the correct college prep courses. Enter calculus. I don’t believe there are high school proficiency tests for calculus like there are for basic math. So the proficiency tests turn out to be the watch dog here - exposing the false claims that high schools make to colleges regarding their students.


31 posted on 09/01/2010 10:57:40 AM PDT by ransomnote
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32 posted on 09/01/2010 10:57:56 AM PDT by JenB
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To: nina0113

“Do they still have to memorize the times-tables?”

NO!

That’s why they allow calculators.

You see, kids learn in “different ways”.

I’m not kidding you.


33 posted on 09/01/2010 10:58:25 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nina0113

>>I saw my old slide rule in my parents’ basement a few years ago, and couldn’t remember how to use it.<<

I’ve got two of them in the bookcase behind me and amazingly I can still use them .......... if I’m wearing my glasses. LOL


34 posted on 09/01/2010 10:58:49 AM PDT by B4Ranch (America was founded by MARKSMEN, not Marxists.)
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To: nmh

The NJ Education Secretary should be fired and put on unemployment.


35 posted on 09/01/2010 10:59:26 AM PDT by frithguild (Joe Wilson was wrong when he shouted "You lie!" Obama doesn't just lie - he lies all the time.)
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To: Julia H.

Indeed, some people are able to understand higher level math concepts far more easily than they can do simple math. But, there have been other stories about schools in this state lying outright about student performance. This sounds like another one of those stories.


36 posted on 09/01/2010 10:59:30 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: frithguild

LOL


37 posted on 09/01/2010 11:02:15 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: DJ MacWoW
It depends on the school.

Saxon Math isn't too bad but moves at snails pace. When you get to Saxon 5/6 SKIP it and go on to Saxon 7/8.

Abeka is good and so is Singapore Math. When she was accepted by JH CTY program we went with that.

It's really up to you t do the timed drill and practice on math facts. They won't do it in school. Elementary years are when you form your math foundation. If they haven't mastered the four main operations, they will do poorly with more sophisticated math. THAT is guaranteed ad always be dependent on calculators. Much done in life involves estimating so it is important to be able to do basic math.

38 posted on 09/01/2010 11:02:44 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Dumb people are easier to govern...It was always illegal to school serfs, peons, slaves and commoners - as the ruling class considers us to be.


39 posted on 09/01/2010 11:03:01 AM PDT by Huebolt (It ain't over till there is not ONE DEMOCRAT HOLDING OFFICE ANYWHERE. Not even a dog catcher!)
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To: nmh

CALCULATORS would have been banned in school in my day. We had to learn multiplication tables, and that serves me well even today. Another sad omission by the “dumbthemdown” government schools is penmanship. Not only was that subject good for eye-hand coordination, it taught self discipline, neatness and an appreciation of beauty Children have been taught to be government dependent in public schools for the past 50 years. Fortunately many of their parents were better educated. If you think things are bad now, just wait until these kids are the parents!


40 posted on 09/01/2010 11:04:19 AM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: B4Ranch

I was just getting used to it when the TI-30 came out (we all thought it was a miracle), and the slide rule got stuffed into a box and the brain cells for using it got reformatted.


41 posted on 09/01/2010 11:04:30 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: Don Corleone
Do you really believe LIBERAL A&E?

Really?

Do you really believe that Einstein couldn't do basic math operations?

Really?

Do you really believe that kids today that can't do basic math are closet Einsteins?

Really?

BTW, do you have kids?

42 posted on 09/01/2010 11:05:40 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Don Corleone
At one time it was reported that A.E. really had trouble with the simple concepts. His thought process was so far advanced. I remember a newsreel purporting that he needed help with his taxes. Just saying.

It is a canard that Albert Einstein was a poor math student in school. The grading system was based on a scale of 1 (highest) to 6 (fail), not on 6 (highest) to 1 (fail), as some biographers had falsely believed.

And the fact that he had difficulty understanding his tax forms proves nothing:

In my own case the words of such an act as the Income Tax ... merely dance before my eyes in a meaningless procession; cross-reference to cross-reference, exception upon exception--couched in abstract terms that offer no handle to seize hold of--leave in my mind only a confused sense of some vitally important, but successfully concealed, purport, which it is my duty to extract, but which is within my power, if at all, only after the most inordinate expenditure of time. I know that these monsters are the result of fabulous industry and ingenuity, plugging up this hole and casting out that net, against all possible evasion; yet at times I cannot help recalling a saying of William James about certain passages of Hegel: that they were no doubt written with a passion of rationality; but that one cannot help wondering whether to the reader they have any significance save that the words are strung together with syntactical correctness

--Judge Learned Hand

Regards,

43 posted on 09/01/2010 11:06:23 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: DJ MacWoW

Home School if you can. My wife and I saw a very similar thing here in NH. Unfortunately the staff at local area Christian Academy all came from secular schools so the teaching skills and attitudes were really off in contrast the to mission statement and advertising. Christian schools have a hard time finding high quality staff due to pay issues, then coming from secular colleges it really puts them in a bind. I get it. We brought this up to the Head Master and it was apparent to us, academia was a small “god” on an alter to them. I was all about the standards and being on the up side compared to the local public schools and nothing else. Really sad. Thank God for home schooling!


44 posted on 09/01/2010 11:07:41 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: ronnyquest

Anything that has a practical application in the real world most certainly does has a place in a teaching environment. Calculators can do things most human brains cannot. Professionals from office assistants to scientists use them on a daily basis, and the average person isn’t going to learn advanced functions by tinkering around with an instrument he or she has never touched before. Imagine an employer asking an interviewee whether he or she has experience performing advanced functions on advanced calculators, and the interviewee replies, “No, but I can read a freakin’ manual.”

Students shouldn’t be encouraged to use calculators as a crutch or as an excuse not to master basic arithmetic, but there’s nothing wrong with using calculators as tools in higher-level math.


45 posted on 09/01/2010 11:09:49 AM PDT by Julia H. (Freedom of speech and freedom from criticism are mutually exclusive.)
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To: nmh
You see, kids learn in “different ways”.

If I had any, they'd learn in a "different way", all right. They'd learn that "bread and water, it's what's for dinner". Or at least I'd withhold dessert.

46 posted on 09/01/2010 11:09:49 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: Don Corleone
While Einstein was not a mathematician, the belief that he "was poor at basic math" is a pc myth spread by those who devalue math skills."

Where he had problem, when young, and why he was a slow learner was his language skills: he didn't even begin to speak until almost two years old.

47 posted on 09/01/2010 11:10:57 AM PDT by drpix
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To: ransomnote
It depends on the public school. Some allow kids to take AP courses in high school WITHOUT testing for it IF they have a 90 average in the hoped AP subject.

Interestingly, most colleges require placement tests without the use of a calculator to see where the student is in math. So if they haven't mastered the basics, they get to start all over again. This doesn't bother the college or university since they make money off of remedial math courses.

Many employers have to TRAIN their new employees how to WRITE. It's no wonder why. They aren't teaching it and are not reinforcing it.

48 posted on 09/01/2010 11:11:20 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nina0113

My kids attend Catholic school, and no calculators are allowed. My third grader is memorizing his times tables. I noticed when I saw him subtracting two and three-digit numbers he doesn’t mark out the numbers when borrowing. He said he does them in his head.

He has an engineer for a father ;)


49 posted on 09/01/2010 11:11:37 AM PDT by Hoosier Catholic Momma (Arkansas resident of Hoosier upbringing--Yankee with a southern twang)
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To: nina0113
Oh my!

We can't have that ! (sarcasm)

We must REACH their “different learning style”.

For some if not all, they need CALCULATORS.

You see, they are too DUMB to memorize anything.

Of course I am being very sarcastic.

It's the LIBERAL elitism that is trickling down. They do NOT want kids to have KOWLEDGE. They really don't. It's easier to CONTROL the IGNORANT and DUMBED DOWN because all they will have left is their EMOTIONS to rule them and they will “listen to those who know more.” It's true and that is why YOU have to take on more of the teaching than the school.

50 posted on 09/01/2010 11:17:48 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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