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The End Of Our Company-Paid Health Insurance
Current Commentary - Palisades Hudson Financial Group LLC ^ | 9/1/2010 | By Larry M. Elkin, CPA, CFP®

Posted on 09/01/2010 4:00:01 PM PDT by TwoOverhill

For 15 years, I have taken pride in paying the full cost of health insurance for every full-time Palisades Hudson employee who wanted it. This month marks the last time I will do that. Beginning in October, our 20 employees will make their own decisions, and their own arrangements, regarding health coverage.[...]When they wrote this year’s legislation, policymakers had a choice: They could emphasize near-universal coverage, or they could emphasize controlling costs. They opted for near-universal coverage. As a result, business owners and higher income Americans (many of whom, like me, are one and the same) will soon pay an array of higher taxes to finance the broader coverage that President Obama and congressional Democrats mandated...

(Excerpt) Read more at palisadeshudson.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: deathcare; healthcare; insurance; nothealthcare; obamacare; romneycare

1 posted on 09/01/2010 4:00:06 PM PDT by TwoOverhill
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To: TwoOverhill

Objective achieved.


2 posted on 09/01/2010 4:02:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (UniTea! It's not Rs vs Ds you dimwits. It's Cs vs Ls. Cut the crap & lets build for success.)
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To: TwoOverhill
I would expect that ALL the funds collected prematurely (starts in 2011 in collections of taxes, but benefits don't occur until 2014) will NOT be set aside to fund the Obamacare, but will go the way of ALL entitlements "funds", SPENT AHEAD OF TIME, like the infamous "Social Security Trust Fund", which now has zero funds in it, and the payments to those who paid their whole life and now are claiming their "savings", is GONE.

The timing of the benefits allowed the Democrats MORE MONEY TO HAND OUT NOW, while expecting THE MESSIAH would be re-elected in 2012, and not have to explain the hammerdrop that will occur in 2014.

3 posted on 09/01/2010 4:09:09 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: TwoOverhill
Beginning in October, our 20 employees will make their own decisions, and their own arrangements, regarding health coverage....

And so it begins.

4 posted on 09/01/2010 4:15:12 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: TwoOverhill

More to come. This was their objective when they wrote the law. Destroy private insurance and force everyone onto the government version, which will take money from those who work hard for it, and give it to those who vote democrat.


5 posted on 09/01/2010 4:21:40 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: Alex Murphy

“And so it begins.”

That was exactly the phrase that entered my mind when I read the headline.


6 posted on 09/01/2010 4:28:08 PM PDT by Tamzee (OBAMA ---- ALL SHAM, NO WOW)
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To: TwoOverhill
He's removing health care premiums of which the lowest cost was $6888 a year. He's giving them a raise of $3000.00.

An employer can pay whatever he\she wants.

somehow, in this case, somethings not right about calling $3000 a raise.

7 posted on 09/01/2010 4:37:20 PM PDT by stylin19a (Never buy a putter until you first get a chance to throw it)
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To: TwoOverhill

Another heartless, evil capitalist exposed. He just doesn’t care about the little people. Where would we be without Obama to take care of us?


8 posted on 09/01/2010 4:38:35 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: TwoOverhill

Workers are not “entitled” to health insurance from their employers. The workplace is not a health care supermarket. One good reason that health care costs keep going out of sight is that too many people have health insurance and pay nothing (or next to nothing) for their care.


9 posted on 09/01/2010 4:44:47 PM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: stylin19a
somehow, in this case, somethings not right about calling $3000 a raise.

That's right. How dare this evil, rich, capitalist refuse to pay the 20 - 50% rise in the cost of health care insurance since the passage of Obamacare. Why, he should be drawn and quartered. We need our politicians to put a stop to this pronto. This guy should be put out of business right now!

10 posted on 09/01/2010 4:48:56 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Walts Ice Pick

The reason is lack of competition between insurance companies
and between hospitals and clinics.

RomneyCARE and ObamaCARE both make it worse.

[welcome to FR]


11 posted on 09/01/2010 4:51:52 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Walts Ice Pick
The reason why employers offer health insurance is because of antiquated, post-WWII laws that slapped wage controls on employers. So, employers offered health insurance as an incentive for hiring.
12 posted on 09/01/2010 4:52:59 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Mexico is the U.S. version of Hamas)
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To: TwoOverhill

I didn’t even read this article. I don’t need to in order to know we are SCREWED. The sheeple have no idea what is coming their way and they will not until sometime in April of 2012. By then the destruction will be complete.

The elections of November will do no good. It will only continue our death by a thousand cuts. We can’t afford to wait for reversal by incrementalism. I doubt we would get that.

Nothing short of a decisive action will resolve anything.

America has lost its way. We are firmly in the ditch with no easy way out. Wholesale repeal and reconstruction are the only solution. No real solution will make anybody happy in the short term. Adult decisions are hard.

Y’all let me know when you are ready to do something that will make a difference. Until then we are just pissing in the wind.


13 posted on 09/01/2010 5:14:46 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: Walts Ice Pick

Hey Walt! You just signed on yesterday! You appear to be one of Obozocare’s Boot Lackeys! Are You paid by Obozo and Co.?


14 posted on 09/01/2010 5:18:08 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Greatest President :George W. Bush!!)
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To: True Republican Patriot

I totally disagree.

Tying health care benefits to employment (which happened during WW2 as a means of overcoming wage controls) is a huge mistake.


15 posted on 09/01/2010 5:24:21 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: stylin19a
somehow, in this case, somethings not right about calling $3000 a raise.

Has it occurred to you that, heretofore, the employer's cost for health insurance was in the neighborhood of $3000?

Essentially, the cost got doubled by the "Affordable Healthcare Act" and the employer decided to drop the coverage, but graciously give the employees what he'd been paying to this point.

Mr. Elkins has acted as a responsible and compassionate employer, to the degree he could afford to do so. Why denigrate him?

16 posted on 09/01/2010 5:44:05 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: TwoOverhill

Hmmm, wonder if this will make the MSM?


17 posted on 09/01/2010 7:13:04 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: okie01; centurion316
Did you miss my statement before the one you've quoted ?
I admire the guy. He spelled out exactly what he was going to do and is doing it.

My comment was about the math and his phraseology.

Cost didn't get doubled. It hasn't kicked in yet. and that's not what this article or his march article said. He's ending it before ObamaCare kicks in.

In march, he explicitly explained what he was going to to do if ObamaCare is passed. He was already paying from $574 to $683 per month- thats $6888 to $8196 a year.

He also said he will make salary adjustments to soften the blow.

Now he's calling a $3000 a year adjustment a raise. Somebody takes 6 grand out of one of one of my pockets and puts 3 grand in another, don't tell me I just got a 3 grand raise.

FreepRegards
18 posted on 09/01/2010 7:51:42 PM PDT by stylin19a (Never buy a putter until you first get a chance to throw it)
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To: stylin19a

I hope Obama throws him into the Gulag for the rest of his life and sells his children into slavery. The gall of these evil small business owners - look at the wonders that the government and the unions have done for GM in just a few short months. All of these small businesses need to be seized by the government and turned over to the SEIU. That will teach them to try to earn a profit.


19 posted on 09/01/2010 7:59:57 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

:) funny guy.

I’m guessing more employers, especially smalll business are going to go this route.

Unless the Repubs take over Congress, I’m guessing the RATS will try to up the penalty, as now it’s cheaper for employers to pay the penalty than the insurance preimiums.


20 posted on 09/01/2010 8:10:10 PM PDT by stylin19a (Never buy a putter until you first get a chance to throw it)
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To: stylin19a
I’m guessing more employers, especially smalll business are going to go this route.

You are guessing right. They will do it because the government will give them no choice. Drop their health care coverage or go out of business. They will be painted as the bad guys, but what the government will deliver in return will have us all crying for the good old days.

21 posted on 09/01/2010 8:14:00 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

Exactly...right from the start! So in the end the employee will bare the burden for the most part....actually it’s a bait and switch ploy...we will end up with Gov. Healthcare when all is said and done.


22 posted on 09/01/2010 8:35:21 PM PDT by caww
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To: okie01

I agree...he could have simply stopped paying the insurance and not compensate at all. I appreciate his forthrightnesss as well.

Have been working in retail industry for last three months...who have always used part-time workers to avoid benefits. But now they work their part-timers up to 32-35 hours weekly and more but their “title” is part-time so they still avoid benefits. Additionally each department has just one full time employee...all others are part-time now.


23 posted on 09/01/2010 8:40:36 PM PDT by caww
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To: stylin19a
somehow, in this case, somethings not right about calling $3000 a raise.

There are additional "directs and indirects" in that raise (government mandated). Further, the proprietors taxes are going up dramatically.

Shame on the evil rich for trying to tread water and survive! [/s]
24 posted on 09/01/2010 8:47:28 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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To: stylin19a
In march, he explicitly explained what he was going to to do if ObamaCare is passed. He was already paying from $574 to $683 per month- thats $6888 to $8196 a year.

He also said he will make salary adjustments to soften the blow.

Now he's calling a $3000 a year adjustment a raise. Somebody takes 6 grand out of one of one of my pockets and puts 3 grand in another, don't tell me I just got a 3 grand raise.

Whoa! I'm not aware of what he may have written in March. But, in this piece, he is saying that the NEW price of health insurance is $574 to $683/month. And, when that comes due, he is going to ask his employees to pay the full cost -- but he is granting a $250/mo raise to help defer the cost.

My takeaway is that a.) insurance costs essentially doubled (from, say, $287 to $342/mo to $575 to $683/mo), b.) employees will now have to absorb the full cost, but c.) he will provide a raise roughly equivalent to what the insurance previously cost him and which will amount to roughly half of the new premium.

Remember, as well, that the extra $250/mo will actually cost the employer a minimum of $288.75 after applying FICA -- which equates rather precisely to the $287/mo figure above. More, if there are other fringes attached.

So far as I can see, the employer has done everything he possibly can to ameliorate the employee's situation and hasn't obfuscated a whit.

25 posted on 09/01/2010 10:37:39 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Alex Murphy
"And so it begins."

Yep!

Next Stage, DEMOCRAT Spox: "See evil corporations refuse to pay for your healthcare so we must have a single payer system!"

And the Overton Window expands a little more and we move further down the slippery slope.

Socialists win again!

26 posted on 09/01/2010 10:41:25 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: PA Engineer

I’m a sole proprieter and just got the notice that my premiums are going up - over 20% next month. I told my wife not to worry - ‘cuz Mr. Obama will be giving us Free Health Care. (Well, at least for the colon cancer screening procedure. “Bend over and grab your ankles...”)

And the folks a few miles away at the Coca-Cola plant are picketing ‘cuz they don’t want to pay a $15 co-pay!


27 posted on 09/01/2010 10:45:56 PM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: okie01
nowhere do i see in this article does it say the rate is a new rate.

the link to the march article is in the September article at "wrote in this space in march"

and those premiums were for an individual plan.
anybody with a family plan had to pay the full amount of the family portion of the plan.

Check out the march article. The guy is consistent and I don't blame him a bit.

FreepRegards

28 posted on 09/01/2010 11:12:26 PM PDT by stylin19a (Never buy a putter until you first get a chance to throw it)
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To: stylin19a
nowhere do i see in this article does it say the rate is a new rate.

Try here. In the second paragraph:

Beginning in October, our 20 employees will make their own decisions, and their own arrangements, regarding health coverage. They can stay on our company’s plan, but they will have to pay the entire cost – ranging from $574 to $683 per month – themselves, through payroll deductions.

Most corporate health insurance contracts run from October thru September.

And he's saying that beginning in October the monthly premiums will be $574 to $683/mo...and the employees will have to pay it themselves.

Upon review, he could've written this more clearly. But he's not a professional writer. And I'd wager he means that -- beginning in October -- the rate will be...and the employees will have to...

29 posted on 09/02/2010 12:29:30 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01

I still think you are reading it wrong.doesn’t say what you said.

here’s the march article

http://palisadeshudson.com/2010/03/ending-my-company’s-health-care-benefit/


30 posted on 09/02/2010 5:41:35 AM PDT by stylin19a (Never buy a putter until you first get a chance to throw it)
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To: stylin19a

I plead guilty. And throw myself on the mercy of the court.


31 posted on 09/02/2010 10:22:18 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01
no big deal. I think the guy has guts.
And I believe an employer offers what he offers and I can take it or leave it. I have no qualms whatsoever about what he is doing. I was just a little concerned with the math and phraseology.

I always thought the cost of premiums\healthcare would go down if each of us had to pay our, rather than employers footing all\some of the bill.
I'll probably never know for sure.

ObamaCare is going to make things interesting...but mostly not until 2014. ( Unless the Repubs can find some way to defang that beast)

And I’m guessing more employers are going to follow this guy's path.

FreepRegards

32 posted on 09/02/2010 11:07:20 AM PDT by stylin19a (Never buy a putter until you first get a chance to throw it)
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