Posted on 09/02/2010 12:55:35 PM PDT by MNDude
Yes, particles pop up out of nowhere in vacuum all the time everywhere.
But not so much that you would notice! ;)
Either way Hawking is daft! Even if all that is needed for the creation of the universe was the physical laws..... who does he think created the physical laws?
As if this were unexpected. Big deal.
Well, I guess Hawkings knows. I mean, he’s like really smart, right?
“What is the reason for Physics?”
Ask yourself that the next time you turn on your air conditioner.
If the laws of Nature are necessary truths, no miracle can break them: but then no miracle needs to break them. It is with them as with the laws of arithmetic. If I put six pennies into a drawer on Monday and six more on Tuesday, the laws decree that other things being equal--I shall find twelve pennies there on Wednesday. But if the drawer has been robbed I may in fact find only two. Something will have been broken (the lock of the drawer or the laws of England) but the laws of arithmetic will not have been broken. The new situation created by the thief will illustrate the laws of arithmetic just as well as the original situation. But if God comes to work miracles, He comes "like a thief in the night." Miracle is, from the point of view of the scientists, a form of doctoring, tampering, (if you like) cheating. It introduces a new factor into the situation, namely supernatural force, which the scientists had not reckoned on.
--Miracles, C.S. Lewis.
I always thought his earlier stance was interesting.
He stated that God may have created the Singularity that precipitated the Big Bang that created everything - but with regard to the Big Bang, Prof. Hawkings asked “Did He have a choice?”.
Prof. Hawkings also stated that given the distribution of elements we find in our Universe, that there were at least 3 Big Bangs required to get the elemental distribution we see today. The first Big Bang would have made far more Hydrogen and Helium atoms than we have now, but virtually no Iron or heavier elements. The second would provide ‘some’ of the heavier elements, but not the ratio we see today. Hence, he concluded that there were at least 3 Big Bangs to form the Universe as we know it today.
Interesting, if nothing else; but in his final analysis; I believe the wisest man on the planet has made an error. I hope he realizes this error befor he dies - he’s a remarkable man (like Leonardo DiVince’, Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein were remarkable)
If you go to a Quantum Physicist and ask what creates the world. He or she will say
“energy”. Then you say ‘well describe energy”? “Okay it can never be created or destroyed, always was and always has been, everything that ever existed, always exist, moving into form, through form and out of form.”
If you ask a Theologian what created the universe he or she will say God. Well describe God. “Okay always was and always has been, everything that ever existed always exist, moving into form, through form and out of form”. It’s the same description and just different terminology.
“Where did gravity come from?”
Where did God come from? If he’s been around forever, why not say gravity has?
He also said “G-d is subtle but he is not malicious.”
Obviously Dr. Einstein was not thinking of the god of Islam.
Costco?
Yeah, one is a description of a human-esque intelligence that intentionally did it. The other has no more ‘intent’ or thought process involved than a rock falling to the ground would.
Which is true? I sure can’t answer. Occam’s razor tends to point to a natural explanation without an invisible guy in the sky pulling the strings though.
Hmm, Hawking seems to be at a loss for words.
Remember the pocket universe series Philip Farmer did? He attempted to address who started the ball rolling. Never did figure it out but he did theorize that in a separate universe people (as souls) are trained for life in the world into which they are going to be born.
In one graduating class they were trained to carry brief cases and ride subways. Unfortunately that world destroyed itself before they had a chance for birth so they had to go to retraining.
That’s not how it works anyway.
What’s that Beatles tune again:
He’s a real Nowhere man
Living in his Nowhere land
Making all his Nowhere plans
For Nobody
Too bad, because at the last trump,
in the twinkling of an eye,
he would be transformed into the uncorrupted and uncorruptible.
But NO... gotta be smarter than God, doncha Stevie?
Physics may be useful in describing the the processes and probable events/steps during the big bang, but it sure doesn't explain much more than that.
Perhaps I'm just dumb, but I don't understand how physics explains how everything could suddenly form from absolute nothingness... or why.
Re: “Nowhere Man”
Good one!!
Except the Beatles’ Nowhere Man ...
Doesn’t have a point of view,
Knows not where he’s going to,
Isn’t he a bit like you and me.
Hawkin’s has a point of view, and he’s nothing like you and me, spiritually speaking.
However, “knows not where he’s going to” fits, since, if he knew to the depths of his soul where denying Christ would send him, he would not be an atheist.
Poor Steve. He cannot see what is so evident right before his eyes. All his research and all his theories and all his work in toto, point to the very existence of God..............
“The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” Ps. 14:1.
There is nothing new in the spoutings of this “intellectual” fool.
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