Skip to comments.Question. Can "We" as citizens call for impeachment of the President and can we do it by ballot?
Posted on 09/02/2010 2:16:50 PM PDT by jongaltsr
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Nope and nope.
Longer answer forthcoming.
There is no constitutional means for doing so.
It is possible if there is a full moon.
Every 4 years.
Nope? and why not.
He was elected by the citizens on a ballot - why can’t he be impeached on a ballot?
What you suggest sounds like a recall? With a recall, first the state voters essentially hold a no-confidence vote in the executive (aka usually the governor/mayor) and if the people do not want said magistrate returning, they choose from a list of alternatives. Recalls were a product of the first Progressive Era.
What charge would the impeachment be based upon?
Of course there’s no “impeachment by popular demand”.
All impeachment power under the constitution is invested in Congress. The House votes for “articles of impeachment”, which if passed the person is “impeached”. A subsequent trial takes place in the senate. If the person is found guilty there by 2/3 majority, he is removed from office.
If we can prove he stole my green sweater.
It seems to me that that would be entirely in keeping with the basic principles of the Constitution.
The framers wrote it just that way because they understood how tyrannical governments can become and when that happens, they provided the tools for the people to retake control.
That was the basis for the American Revolution.
” He was elected by the citizens on a ballot - why cant he be impeached on a ballot? “
Not exactly —
He was elected by the States, through ‘Electors’ in the Electoral College - which traditionally (but not always) reflect the consensus of the voters in their state...
Cumbersome, yes, but it kept us from President Al Gore.....
There is hope however that one or more of the plaintiffs suing on the Natural Born Citizen issue may get standing and proceed on those grounds.
If he was found to not be an NBC, that in itself is cause for removal, and running for Prez knowing you were not qualified would be a High Crime and/or Misdemeanor,
He was elected by the Electoral College, not by you or I. Impeachment is not a popularity contest. It is a process that is initiated as a result of illegal activity on the part of the offending party. If you want to get rid of Obama, vote in November and in 2012.
Why am I answering these questions on FR?
Acting as an un-registered agent of a foreign government. (Mexican invasion enablement and attacks on states and officers, offshore drilling ban for benefit of Saudis)
Criminal negligence (causing Afghan war causalities to skyrocket under his RoE, placing provable incompetents and traitors in positions of authority) .
Dereliction of duty (All vacation, all the time).
And the kicker: Fraud due to ineligibility to hold office.
Actually, as much as I would like to see Obama thrown out on his kiester, imagine what it would be like with elections all the time to remove a president. Bush would have had at least ten such elections during his terms alone.
How do you conduct business with allies under that cloud?
While Congress and the Senate have the task, and abdicated it with regard to Clinton and Obama, I do see impeachment as a last resort, deferring to four year elections.
In Obama’s case, I do believe a careful study of his actions would result in grounds being found to remove him.
This is why it is vitally important to remove people like McCain when we get the chance.
We can’t go around trashing everyone in sight because of what they do, then rubber stamp them when they come up for re-election.
Arizona voters screwed the whole nation over when they picked McCain this month. With guys like this, you’ll never get rid of an Obama. You can take that to the bank.
If you wanted to impeach the president for supersceding his authority, you would have to impeach every president from Washington on.
It’s called voting.
You can call for the impeachment of the president, but it has to be done through Congress. It’s a wise protection against the tyranny of the majority.
Now, we do have a tyranny of Congress, so November is when we have to go “All-In.”
Because there are still people here who know nothing about the Constitution of the United States.
It actually would be against the spirit of the Constitution, which provides for a representative Republic, not a direct democracy. You do not want to go down that road.
I love your response to Cletus.
In your face BO
No.. that has to happen in the House. Then a trial in the Senate. For some reason, the Senate is loathe to toss a President out. The Repub-controlled Senate couldn’t muster even a simple majority on either count against WJC. I believe 2/3 is required.
I know I know, the sight of him in our White House... it just feels wrong. But we’ll have to wait until 2012 to get our country back.
Election involvement of the general public is indirect. If you look at a ballot for a presidential election, you will see that you are actually voting for an elector whop has a political party affiliation. The candidates' names are provided (on the ballot) as a crutch for the voter.
Come late December, the electors send their votes to Congress; and come January, the votes of the electors are counted before a joint session of Congress. Members of Congress have the right and duty to challenge any votes that may be inform, for whatever reason. The Democrats challenged Ohio's electoral votes in the 2004 election. Other challenges can be raised that the candidate is not qualified.
The mechanism for removal is set forth in the constitution: impeachment by a simple majority of the House, and conviction by 2/3rds of the Senate. Congress being fundamentally a political organ, if a sufficient majority of the voting public demanded impeachment, impeachment would happen. Congressmen who believe they will be unseated for failure to follow the will of the people, will respond.
” Give me alternatives, not the obvious methods that we and “Congress” are already aware of. “
Of course, we could just ignore the Constitution completely, when it inconveniently doesn’t fit our agenda- then we’d be just like the Liberals...
There are NO alternatives to the Constitutional processes ... unless you'd prefer another form of government.
What part of this don't you understand.
Because our form of Government is a "Constitutional Republic" not a Democracy.
Your first error is thinking that the citizens elected the President. They did not. Read up on the "Electoral College"...
Impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanors, for which the case must be tried before the House and if impeached, then the penalty phase (removal) is enforced by the Senate.
That is a much better way of doing things than having a banana republic, at the whims of the people who can’t even be consistent with American Idol.
If he was elected by the citizens on a ballot, he can be removed by the citizens on a ballot - the next election. Let’s not turn us into a kangaroo court.
Great point, along with the income tax and the direct election of senators (if the original Constitution were followed on that point, we wouldn't have this mess today).
All impeachment power under the constitution is invested in Congress. The House votes for articles of impeachment, which if passed the person is impeached. A subsequent trial takes place in the senate. If the person is found guilty there by 2/3 majority, he is removed from office.
We will soon retake the House and the Senate. Just sayin’.
The closest Method that fits your idea of "the people" removing Obama from office is by way of a Constitutional Convention (and even then it has to be done through your States Representative) which would literally take years if not decades to get the Amendment through the process and Obama would be long gone from office by then.
LOL. I think.
There are only two ways for a citizen to remove a POTUS from office: 1)every 4th year at the ballot box and 2)a method that is legally and morally wrong and will result in death or imprisonment of the citizen.
So if you are looking for an early exit for 0bama, it will take the House of Representatives’ impeaching him for a crime or high misdemeanor and the Senate’s convicting him and removing him from office. Other than that we are looking at the 2012 election.
Excellent point! We would quickly lose our standing in the world, because we would start looking like everyone else. Our stability in government is a tremendous asset.
That’s what I don’t understand about some supposed conservatives. I suspect they’re actually more anti-liberal than anything else, which permits them to desire cutting the same corners the liberals do.
Anti-liberal and conservative are NOT the same thing. One can be conservative and anti-liberal, but being anti-liberal alone does not rise to being a conservative.
And another thing to consider is the wording of the impeachment clause. If impeachment proceedings were brought on the basis Obama can't be President because he is not Eligible is a whole can of worms most have not considered.
First if he is not Eligible to be President then is he actually President? If Not the by wording of the Constitution how can he be impeached?
BUT, he has administered the Office of the President and signed Bills into Law and appointed Judges to the Bench. If he was NOT President when he did so then all of these issues would be null and void!
And that means EVERYTHING including budgets which means any an all money paid out by the government in that time is in effect Null and Void.
Imagine the mess of trying to sort out the financial Mess. The GM issue would be Null and Void. Does everyone have to give back their money including the GM workers?
This is why I think that if the eligibility issue gets Obama tossed out they will still say in essence he WAS President even though he was not eligible! If not then we would be decades undoing that mess!
What more do you want? If you admit that there are commonly-known parts of the Constitution dealing with the removal of the president, what else are you looking for? There is nothing written in invisible ink.
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