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Fight Night at the US Open - Raw video
YouTube ^ | 3 Sept. 2010 | NY Post

Posted on 09/04/2010 10:41:14 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Older guy takes on a mouthy young guy at the US Open.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: brawl; tennis
According to witnesses, a young fan dropped f-bombs during US Open and then got into a brawl when confronted by other attendees.
1 posted on 09/04/2010 10:41:17 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/fight_night_at_the_open_QlwSKhd4YInp9hGBdZ7m0K


2 posted on 09/04/2010 10:41:44 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: smokingfrog
I've attended only 1 professioanl hocky game in my life and that was the 1980 All Star Game in LA. The guys I was with were from Boston and were real hocky fans. They dropped the F-bomb 1 time too many and the guys ahead of us thought they would confront them. The result looked a lot like what we saw in this video.

The old guy at the US Open should never have attacked the loud-mouthed kid just as the guys in LA should never have attacked my friends. There are other courses of action.

3 posted on 09/04/2010 10:56:52 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a long tradition of tolerance." ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: smokingfrog

just watching the punk ass gives me an urge to want to slap him


4 posted on 09/04/2010 11:04:56 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51

Both parties are now suing each other. If you listen to the tape, it appears the punk is really f-ing the woman. That might be considered an assault- ie “fighting words”. Even after he sat down the punk again effed her which justifies the father at least trying to beat his ass. I’d award the punk a kick in the butt and the father and daughter the cost of their Open tickets.


5 posted on 09/04/2010 11:18:35 PM PDT by Krankor (I had too much to dream last night, too much to dream.)
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To: smokingfrog
New Yorkers.

Up in the cheap seats.

What else did you expect?

6 posted on 09/04/2010 11:21:32 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid
Yeah, but at a tennis match?
7 posted on 09/04/2010 11:26:50 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: smokingfrog
It could be a quilting bee.

If it's in New York and there's cheap seats to be had, there's going to be problems.

People like that are the reason that New York can't have nice things.

8 posted on 09/04/2010 11:29:07 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Krankor

What I saw was the old geezer grabbing the guy’s head and punching him FIRST. That looked to me like a clear cut case of self defense - I think the kid went easy on him.

Whatever was said doesn’t matter. That’s not an ‘assault’. You can yell all you want, that isn’t illegal. If I’m in the jury the old geezer is toast.


9 posted on 09/04/2010 11:40:44 PM PDT by farlander (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: farlander

I too agree.

I’m inclined to blame the one who escalated the cuss-fest into a physical fight, to be the guilty party. In this case, it was clearly the old man who physically assaulted the younger one.


10 posted on 09/05/2010 12:12:38 AM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: smokingfrog

I didn’t see any punches thrown. It looked like the older fellow had the right intentions but lacked in delivery options. He should have thrown a short right into the punk’s mouth as soon as he moved past the woman, then pushed him into the lower seating area.


11 posted on 09/05/2010 3:33:30 AM PDT by Big_Harry ( Starve the Beast!)
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To: farlander
the old guy was just trying to jam a bar of soap in the punk ass's mouth. That's not assault. it's community service
12 posted on 09/05/2010 3:46:22 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: farlander
[ Whatever was said doesn’t matter. That’s not an ‘assault’. You can yell all you want, that isn’t illegal. If I’m in the jury the old geezer is toast. ]

The daughter gets my raspberries.. she started it all I bet..

13 posted on 09/05/2010 5:12:45 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: James C. Bennett
In this case, it was clearly the old man who physically assaulted the younger one.

You're sure of that? How do you know that the old guy wasn't just going off to find some security folks and, as he tried to get by the young jerk, the young jerk didn't knee him or otherwise cause the old guy to lose his balance?

ML/NJ

14 posted on 09/05/2010 6:17:10 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: hosepipe

Awww, fugetaboutit!


15 posted on 09/05/2010 6:24:15 AM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: paul51

The old guy reminded me of another New York moment when Don Zimmer rushed at Pedro Martinez like a mad bull; like Zimmer, he got caught up in the emotion of the moment and forgot he was — well, old.

Having said that, the father-daughter were fully within their rights to object vehemently to having to suffer through the young guy’s foul-mouth. Their ticket gave then the expectation to enjoy the tennis match without the kid’s aggressively foul mouth violating their space.

Once the daughter stood up to confront him, and kid turned his foul mouth directly against her rather than (presumably) the tennis match, then his behavior mover closer to civil assault — because there was some menacing arm-waving / gesturing going on as well. Civil assault only requires the THREAT to injure, not a punch (which is battery).

Once the kid sat down and continued to curse her, its a factual question as to whether she was still threatened - if yes, then she had a right to self-defense, and if so, then her dad would have had a right to act as well (using her right). So in sum — it’s not always strictly a matter of who throws the first punch — self defense can turn on how imminent is the illegal threat.

Now, having a legal right to self-defense doesn’t mean that its the smartest option, especially when there are security guards around. On the other hand, they seemed awfully slow to respond to the situation.

So — the specific facts about what was said, when, will dictate the outcome, and clearly there were a LOT of witnesses who can testify. My prediction is that Dad and daughter walk, the kid gets some sort of disturbing-the-peace charge, with big fine and community service.


16 posted on 09/05/2010 10:16:15 AM PDT by WL-law
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To: ml/nj

Or maybe he blocked the old geezer with his legs and wouldn’t move them. The old geezer slapped the punks beer out of his hand, the punk jumped up and the geezer attacked.


17 posted on 09/05/2010 11:50:49 AM PDT by Krankor (I had too much to dream last night, too much to dream.)
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To: ml/nj

The article says that the woman first punched the younger man.

The younger man cussed at her, and the older man later tried to strangle him.

That’s how I know.


18 posted on 09/05/2010 12:24:50 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: Krankor

Before the older man tried to strangle the younger one, the woman had already punched the man. It’s in the article.


19 posted on 09/05/2010 12:26:19 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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The article says that the woman first punched the younger man.

Who you gonna believe: the article or your lyin' eyes?

The woman argues with the jerk, and after a while the geezer tugs on the back of her shirt to pull her away. She does go away crossing past the geezer away from the jerk.

Then the geezer gets up, and tries to pass in front of the jerk. The jerk stands up and gets in the geezer's face and then they begin to fight. Afterward the woman tries to hit the jerk; and suave dude that he is he tries to hit her back but is restrained by some levelheaded people sitting nearby.

If I ran the tennis tournament he would no longer be allowed to attend, this year or any year.

ML/NJ

20 posted on 09/05/2010 12:47:57 PM PDT by ml/nj
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C’mon. You pay good money to go to the Open, or any sporting event for that matter, and some incredible jerk sits there ruining it for you. You ask him to hold it down and he starts effing you, saying how he paid for his ticket so he can do whatever he wants and eff you, eff you. She actually slapped him and, by some accounts, he dared her to do it. And after she did, he said he could take anything she threw at him. Then the father ostensibly tries to leave to get security, and the punk either blocks him with his feet or effs him off. The geezer slapped the beer out of the punks hand and then the punk jumped up and that’s when daddy dearest grabbed his stupid head. What would you do if some punk effed your wife, daughter, or mom? By the way, it appears the punk might have been wearing womens’ underwear.


21 posted on 09/05/2010 1:04:07 PM PDT by Krankor (I had too much to dream last night, too much to dream.)
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To: Krankor; ml/nj

The video hasn’t captured the woman punching the man.

That said, I’m all for booting the three out - the younger one for disturbing the atmosphere, and the woman and the older one for taking the fight to a physical level.

However, I am inclined to punish the ones who escalate a verbal conflict into a physical one, much, much more sternly. Sticks and stones and all that...


22 posted on 09/05/2010 1:09:49 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: ml/nj
My lying eyes think the Geezer goes over to confront the Jerk, you can see the old man tense his right arm when he gets close. The Jerk gets up because he sees the Geezer is going to do something (If there is going to be a fight, you don't want to be sitting down if you don't want to be clobbered). The Geezer grabs the Jerk's neck/head with both hands and the Jerk tries to push the Geezer off of him. The Geezer falls back and clings to the Jerk's neck and head and both fall into the next couple of rows.

After getting out from under the Geezer, the Jerk backs off and tries to remove himself from the situation. The Geezer's Daughter comes over and grabs the Jerk's shirt, the Jerk pushes the Geezer's Daughter away and down. Men try to subdue the Jerk and the Jerk doesn't know what is happening so he starts to fight and then quickly grabs the hand rail when he is grabbed by two men. The men are confronting him instead of trying to subdue him so the Jerk goes after the White Shirt Guy and then that guy leaves so the Jerk tries to explain the situation to the other subduers.

Judgement is for the Jerk.

23 posted on 09/05/2010 1:27:49 PM PDT by Sawdring
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