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Father charged after daughter falls into pond (Dog saves drowning girl!)
Charleston Post and Courier ^ | 5 Sept 2010 | Andy Paras

Posted on 09/05/2010 10:52:52 AM PDT by Feline_AIDS

CHARLESTON — A Charleston man is charged with unlawful neglect after deputies say one of his twin daughters walked out of their home and fell into a pond while he slept.

Authorities responded to 2903 Doncaster Drive at 6:13 p.m. Thursday and found one of the 1-year-old girls neck deep in a pond behind the house. A dog was in the water with her, preventing the girl from going under, a Charleston County Sheriff’s Office incident report said.

Deputies charged Adam S. Gray, 33, with unlawful neglect by a custodian after firefighters pulled the girl from the pond and took her to a local hospital to be evaluated, the report said.

A Charleston police officer entered the house through an unlocked back door and found Gray asleep in bed. The officer was able to wake him up after several attempts, the report said.

Gray told officers he put the sleeping children inside their cribs about 5 p.m. and closed the door to their upstairs bedroom before going to his room next to it and falling asleep. He said he usually could hear the girls if they attempted to go down the stairs but didn’t this time, the report said.

Police say the twins were able to push down a gate at the edge of the stairwell and then walk downstairs and out the back door, when one of them fell into the pond. A neighbor heard the girl’s playful voice and called police.

The mother took custody of the children.

Gray does not have any felony convictions in South Carolina, according to a State Law Enforcement Division criminal record check.

A magistrate set Gray’s bail at $10,000 Friday.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: charleston; dogs; donutwatch; drowning; neglect
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"A dog was in the water with her, preventing the girl from going under, a Charleston County Sheriff’s Office incident report said."
1 posted on 09/05/2010 10:52:55 AM PDT by Feline_AIDS
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To: Feline_AIDS

Pit bull?


2 posted on 09/05/2010 10:55:19 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 589 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Feline_AIDS

I don’t know, do other FReepers think I am crazy?

A father puts his kids to bed, closes the door and falls asleep. The kids get out of the house (I did this as a child myself) and the father gets arrested on a 10K bond, even though he doesn’t seem to have any kind of a record.

Now granted it would have been a tragedy if something had happened, and we may not know the full story, but kids do sometimes escape.


3 posted on 09/05/2010 10:57:21 AM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: Feline_AIDS

So these girls climbed out of cribs, opened a door, took down a gate and opened another door. Either Dad’s lying or these parents are in for it!


4 posted on 09/05/2010 10:57:31 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: null and void

Dachshund?


5 posted on 09/05/2010 10:57:38 AM PDT by Feline_AIDS (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: Feline_AIDS

Under Obammunism, any accidents your child get into while you are asleep are a pretext to charge you with neglect.
There is no room for the actual concept of “Accident”.

There are a fair number of freepers who embrace this view.


6 posted on 09/05/2010 10:57:53 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: null and void

what was his bac


7 posted on 09/05/2010 10:58:38 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys)
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To: I still care

Maybe all the cocaine and beer bottles on his bedroom floor made them suspicious. (kidding)


8 posted on 09/05/2010 10:58:38 AM PDT by Feline_AIDS (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: Feline_AIDS
The kid:

Got out of a crib
Opened the bedroom door
Went down the stairs
Opened the door of the house
Opened the gate
Went to the pond.

Exactly how much was the father supposed to do to prevent this? Tie the kid to the crib? You get in trouble for that. How about lock the kid's bedroom door from the outside? Well, you get in trouble for that too.

Meanwhile, a witness actually saw the kid neck deep in the pond -- and merely called 911. The witness knowingly left the kid in danger and waited for a professional rescue team to show up. I call that negligence.

But, hey, they decided to charge Dad for taking a nap.

You know, bad things happen -- or almost happen. We cannot arrest someone every time an unfortunate event nearly occurs.

9 posted on 09/05/2010 10:59:21 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

He may have been sleeping one off


10 posted on 09/05/2010 11:00:37 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys)
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To: I still care
If Dad's telling the truth, these parents are in for a sprint keeping these girls safe. The story says they're 1 year old. I'm think they may be closer to two. Still, it's gonna be a circus.

And I don't see why Dad was arrested either but in our current society it doesn't take much.

11 posted on 09/05/2010 11:00:46 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Feline_AIDS

Sorry, I don’t agree with filing charges against this guy. Sometimes little kids do crazy things. Yes, you should be vigilant, and should take reasonable precautions, but you can’t spend every minute of the day and night hovering over them on the chance that they might suddenly figure out how to operate something as complex as a doorknob. Sounds like this one was a real escape artist, managing at least two closed doors, plus a toddler gate. If I were the guy, I’d go before a judge, tell him that this is the first time something like this has happened, and that given the kid’s ability there would be new deadbolts at the top of my exterior doors once I got home. Parents should be responsible, but there are some things that just can’t be easily anticipated.


12 posted on 09/05/2010 11:01:44 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The article reports a neighbor “heard” her voice; did you acquire info from another source?


13 posted on 09/05/2010 11:02:06 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys)
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To: Feline_AIDS

Where to begin. One-year-olds can remove gate, get downstairs and out the door to the pond...? Neighbor hears a kid not even crying, but calls the police anyway? Without even looking to see if there’s a reason? Because if s/he’d looked s/he’d have taken the child out of the water, no? “Firefighters pulled the girl from the pond?” How many did it take?
Good dog! Bad journalist!


14 posted on 09/05/2010 11:02:17 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: yldstrk
what was his bac

Exactly.
15 posted on 09/05/2010 11:02:37 AM PDT by tongue-tied ("Never use more than four words to say 'I don't know'")
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To: yldstrk

Or he may have been the exhausted father of twins under the age of two.


16 posted on 09/05/2010 11:02:37 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Feline_AIDS

I’m failing to see the crime here. Unless the father was sleeping one off, and the paper would be quick to point it out if he was, there is no crime, that I can see.


17 posted on 09/05/2010 11:03:54 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Kagan and Sotomayor-Hope and Change)
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To: I still care

I once found a child and a dog running loose in the street. The little boy was clearly told not to talk to strangers and ran home. I stayed with the dog until the mom came looking for it a few minutes latter. She was aghast to learn that the child had been out too. She had put special things on the door to keep the kid from opening them but he defeated them. All she did was go to the bathroom. Yes the result could have been tragic in that case too since there were multiple child sex offenders living in the area but as you say “kids do sometimes escape”.

I would want to know a whole lot more about this situation before forming any opinions.


19 posted on 09/05/2010 11:05:23 AM PDT by lovesdogs
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To: I still care
I don’t know, do other FReepers think I am crazy?

'But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: 'we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'

20 posted on 09/05/2010 11:05:37 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 589 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: yldstrk
what was his bac

A drunken pit bull.

Now there is a concept!

21 posted on 09/05/2010 11:06:41 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 589 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Feline_AIDS

Meanwhile Mothers kill their children and the media rushes to their defense, to the point of creating new psychotic episodes that excuse them from their behavior.


22 posted on 09/05/2010 11:06:53 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: yldstrk
There was another thread that talked about a witness. Perhaps they referred to a neighbor who "heard a voice", I don't know. Basically, if you think a child is in danger, do you: a) investigate and try to help b) call 911 and stay in front of the TV or c) call 911 and then investigate and try to help?

Somebody knew something and just thought that a phone call was sufficient.

23 posted on 09/05/2010 11:07:10 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Feline_AIDS
duct tape can solve this problem


24 posted on 09/05/2010 11:08:01 AM PDT by sten
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To: Feline_AIDS

Not Guilty.
The father is acquitted because he took the reasonable precaution of buying a good dog!
Seriously, from the news story there is no evidence a crime was committed.
Just more bad police work.


25 posted on 09/05/2010 11:11:24 AM PDT by devere
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To: Feline_AIDS
There but for the grace of God go I.

I was working 2nd into 3rd shift when my twinnies were small, and I'd put in a video, tell them my feet were cold and they had to sit on them to keep them warm and then fall dead asleep for a while.

Lucky for me they listened, stayed sitting on my feet and woke me up when their tape was over.

Far from criminal - it's called survival

26 posted on 09/05/2010 11:11:47 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Part of that 9.5% that's really more like 20%, Let's call it what it is: The Great O-pression)
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To: I still care

Initially, this does not seem a fair thing at all to the father.

Are we to expect to physically lock all our kids in their rooms while we nap? Then, when a fire breaks out, they die because they themselves can’t leave.

This is getting crazy.


27 posted on 09/05/2010 11:12:09 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Neighbor knows in heart parent is irresponsible, child is outside at dawn, calls police because if neighbor goes to property there may be conflict


28 posted on 09/05/2010 11:12:56 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys)
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To: ClearCase_guy

That was my first thought. Who the hell would see a one-year-old toddler in a pond, in danger of drowning, and proceed to go in and dial 911? How long did it take them to respond? Maybe 15 minutes?

If it hadn’t been for the dog, and for pure luck, the kid might have drowned even if it only took one minute.

Something isn’t right there. Either this father was so horrible that the neighbors didn’t dare intervene, or the witness who called the cops was a complete idiot.

Or the witness was more interested in getting the father in trouble with the police than with saving the life of the child.


29 posted on 09/05/2010 11:13:10 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: I still care

***I don’t know, do other FReepers think I am crazy?***

You are still perfectly sane and I agree with you. Toddlers are smart, sneaky and speedy. The parents put a *safety* gate on the stairs and probably locked all the doors - so I cannot see where the dad was negligent.

Our perception is being changed because of too many horror stories on missing and exploited children.

Being a parent today means never taking your eyes off your children for a second or sleeping without motion sensors and door alarms.


30 posted on 09/05/2010 11:14:59 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
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When I was barely able to walk, probably younger than this girl, I got out of the house and walked down the middle of the street until an elderly neighbor who was working in her yard saw me and walked me back home.

My mother had noticed I was missing a minute or so before, and in her panic couldn’t decide what to do or which way to look—the ravine behind the house with the more-than-a-creek creek at the bottom, the ditch near the blind turn in the road that everyone took too fast, or call the police in case someone had grabbed me. She was freaking out big time, and says she almost had a relief heart attack when she saw our neighbor holding my hand and slowly coming up the street. Also my mother hadn’t been taking a nap. I was just born to be free!

And every time I was put in the crib, I got out on my own.

We didn’t have A/C then, and in the South it gets somewhat warm, so the screen doors were the only thing keeping us in.

So yes, I think there must be cause for neglect charges. If/when the story about his BAC comes out, I’ll post it too.


31 posted on 09/05/2010 11:17:15 AM PDT by Feline_AIDS (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: I still care

The father should not be charged. That’s crazy.


32 posted on 09/05/2010 11:17:15 AM PDT by FrdmLvr ( VIVA la SB 1070!)
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To: yldstrk
Neighbor knows in heart parent is irresponsible

"did you acquire info from another source?"

33 posted on 09/05/2010 11:18:01 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: yldstrk
child is outside at dawn,

Kid wasn't out at dawn. Read it again.

34 posted on 09/05/2010 11:18:09 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

My guess is, the cops and the DA don’t believe him. Unless they can prove his story false, the guy should not have been charged because based on his story this was not neglect. I am wondering if he was under the influence because it sounds as if hey had a hard time waking him up. Of course, if they did not do a blood test, we will never know.

I wonder what kind of dog it was. We have a pond in our backyard, and I am scared to death that one of our young kids will follow the dogs into the pond as our labs love to swim in it. I am even more frightened that they will follow them out onto the ice in the winter.


35 posted on 09/05/2010 11:19:11 AM PDT by KansasGirl (No, I do not proofread.)
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To: lovesdogs

I have a 4 year old and a 2 year old. 2 year old daughter figured out how to defeat the doorknob cover about 6 months ago. She showed the 4 year old and now we are trying to find other knob covers or a way to stop it. My son, at 1 year old, wanted to go outside. So he went to the door and tried to get the lock open, but he couldn’t reach it. So he ran to his room and got his step stool and carried it over to the door, did the bottom lock, and was straining for the top lock when my wife walked out of the kitchen, saw what he was doing, and stopped him. Kids are smart, and there is no way to stop them other than restraints or hovering over them every second of the day.


36 posted on 09/05/2010 11:20:25 AM PDT by christx30
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To: ClearCase_guy

[Meanwhile, a witness actually saw the kid neck deep in the pond — and merely called 911. The witness knowingly left the kid in danger and waited for a professional rescue team to show up. I call that negligence.]

Excellent point. What a knucklehead this witness was.


37 posted on 09/05/2010 11:22:10 AM PDT by KansasGirl (No, I do not proofread.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

oops, not at dawn. ok, anyway, believe me, the press only gets the tip of the iceberg, these reports are confidential


38 posted on 09/05/2010 11:22:28 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys)
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To: Feline_AIDS
When I was the same age, just toddling at about 18 months old, I too got out of the house. My mother found me in the side yard with my arms around the neck of a bull dog (not a pitt). The dog was licking my face and I was kissing his tongue. Thus began my love affair with dogs.
39 posted on 09/05/2010 11:22:32 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Feline_AIDS

Dogs are wonderful. There are 100 of them from LA shelters on their way right now to the PNW to find new homes.


40 posted on 09/05/2010 11:23:43 AM PDT by MarMema
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I'm not buying your theory. And anyone who has had 2 under the age of two knows what true exhaustion is.
41 posted on 09/05/2010 11:26:29 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: MarMema

GOOD dog!!

42 posted on 09/05/2010 11:27:47 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Feline_AIDS
A neighbor heard the girl’s playful voice and called police.

... playful voice and calls police. yeah, makes sense to me. It smells!

Guy should be at home with the kids and mom. Better yet, he should be at work with her at home with the twins!!!! (armor on!)

43 posted on 09/05/2010 11:28:01 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Faith is putting all your eggs in God's basket, then counting your blessings before they hatch.)
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To: christx30

***Kids are smart, and there is no way to stop them other than restraints or hovering over them every second of the day.***

Exactly. And bearing that in mind - that pond should have been fenced.


44 posted on 09/05/2010 11:28:11 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Another source says they are 3.


45 posted on 09/05/2010 11:29:05 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: WVKayaker

Another online source says the neighbor heard the dog barking...


46 posted on 09/05/2010 11:31:04 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: DJ MacWoW

believe what you want. I have raised multiple children to adulthood. I know exhaustion, sleepless nights, screaming from ear infections, etc. Child abuse statutes keep these reports confidential and the press gets very little unless the parent releases it. Check it out if you don’t believe it.


47 posted on 09/05/2010 11:32:02 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys)
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To: DJ MacWoW

all that and they are only 1 year old according to the story.

Something is VERY FISHY!

Thank GOD for that wonderful doggie.


48 posted on 09/05/2010 11:32:11 AM PDT by a real Sheila (HEY, HEY, HO, HO. B.O. HAS GOT TO GO!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You need to have hooks or bolts on the door high up where the kids cannot reach them. You can get a hook for about $2.

I think the father is not at fault but it goes to show you these little ones can get anywhere. Thank God for the doggy.


49 posted on 09/05/2010 11:33:21 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"Opened the bedroom door "

Can a normal one year old even reach a doorknob? That seems like it might be a stretch to me.

50 posted on 09/05/2010 11:38:10 AM PDT by matthew fuller (2012: Bachman, Bolton, Brewer, Liz Cheney, Coburn, DeMint, Inhofe, Jindal, Palin and Pence.)
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