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American Muslims Ask, Will We Ever Belong?
The New York Times ^ | September 5, 2010 | LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Posted on 09/05/2010 8:25:01 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh

For nine years after the attacks of Sept. 11, many American Muslims made concerted efforts to build relationships with non-Muslims, to make it clear they abhor terrorism, to educate people about Islam and to participate in interfaith service projects. They took satisfaction in the observations by many scholars that Muslims in America were more successful and assimilated than Muslims in Europe.

Now, many of those same Muslims say that all of those years of work are being rapidly undone by the fierce opposition to a Muslim cultural center near ground zero that has unleashed a torrent of anti-Muslim sentiments and a spate of vandalism. The knifing of a Muslim cab driver in New York City has also alarmed many American Muslims.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; groundzeromosque; islam; muslims; obama; sharia
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To: Nat Turner
No virtually about it. They flat out ARE INCOMPATIBLE! But then, so is Obozo.
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51 posted on 09/05/2010 8:52:23 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (y)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Shouldn’t they be asking, “Will they ever belong to us?”


52 posted on 09/05/2010 8:53:03 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Michelle Obama: the woman who ended "Diners, Drive-ins and Dives.")
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To: Malone LaVeigh

“American Muslims Ask, Will We Ever Belong?”

And a growing number of reasonable and fair minded Americans are answering.....

NO!


53 posted on 09/05/2010 8:54:06 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Maybe Americans are just overly sensitive to cultures immersed in beheadings and flying body parts.


54 posted on 09/05/2010 8:54:10 PM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: Nat Turner

BINGO When they fully assimilate, including pride in THIS country, our values, and our Constitution, then they have a good chance of acceptance.


55 posted on 09/05/2010 8:54:51 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: All

As always , I suggest instead of us posting our outrage here to each other ( who are all basically in agreement) Sent a message to the person who wrote the article Laurie Goodstein
Here’s the link to send her an email TELL HER how you all feel not me . I already know
http://www.nytimes.com/gst/emailus.html


56 posted on 09/05/2010 8:55:34 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: All

As always , I suggest instead of us posting our outrage here to each other ( who are all basically in agreement) Sent a message to the person who wrote the article Laurie Goodstein
Here’s the link to send her an email TELL HER how you all feel not me . I already know
http://www.nytimes.com/gst/emailus.html


57 posted on 09/05/2010 8:55:41 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: Nat Turner
Pick one as the Koran and Constitution are virtually mutually exclusive...

Agreed, Islam is an expansionist theocratic ideology and cannot be allowed to spread in the U.S.

58 posted on 09/05/2010 8:55:55 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: steel_resolve

BINGO , give this man a cigar. Right on target my friend.
Is anyone even curious as to why AFTER 9/11 a million Muslims came flooding into this country ? No one ever thought about that ,?


59 posted on 09/05/2010 8:57:50 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: Malone LaVeigh
For nine years after the attacks of Sept. 11, many American Muslims made concerted efforts to build relationships with non-Muslims, to make it clear they abhor terrorism, to educate people about Islam and to participate in interfaith service projects.

Some examples include...

...

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60 posted on 09/05/2010 8:58:52 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Nateman

BTTT!


61 posted on 09/05/2010 8:59:54 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Marking Time On The Government's Dime)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Ask me that the day Christians have a church and belong in Saudi Arabia.

If you want to belong, you are living in the wrong culture.


62 posted on 09/05/2010 9:01:21 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Nope! As long as WE THE PEOPLE follow the Founding documents of this country, people that follow islam can not be allowed to become citizens because their religion is also a political system which is incompatible with the Constitution. They could not honestly take the oath to be a citizen.

The “religion” should be classified like Scientology was in Germany. It makes no sense to allow muslims to immigrate here unless we are trying to destroy our system of government.

Any officials that allow muslim immigration should be classified as subversives or traitors to our country.
Muslims need to go back to mecca or the other muslim countries. All non-muslim nations should ban them if they do not want sharia law.


63 posted on 09/05/2010 9:04:10 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Malone LaVeigh
Now, many of those same Muslims say that all of those years of work....

Excuse me? WHAT work?

64 posted on 09/05/2010 9:05:37 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Here's a thought!! Donate to the website you are on RIGHT NOW!!)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
As long as you follow the terrorism manual known as the koran, no.

As long as you live in submission to the fantasy deity created by a demon possessed pedophile, No.

As long as you consider women to be chattel to be used or abused at whim, NO.

And there's a whole litany of grievances including stolen lands, desecrated holy sites, ongoing slavery in mohammedan occupied territories that you will have to address before you should dare to get your collective noses out of joint.

Before you demand to be accepted on your merits, you should consider the reality that there are damned few to stand on at the moment.

65 posted on 09/05/2010 9:06:44 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
I observed from the NYT article the photograph of the learned Doctor and his wife with two children. The credit is to the NYT. One could not wish for a more disarming picture of really nice people. What in the name of reality is the NYT up to?. Few people could feel threatened by such an overall picture.

Sadly that is not the true representation. One look at a photograph of Imam Rauf, sends a chill down my spine. For other pictures of Imams show men with hard, taut faces. The eyes cold and penetrating. Their icy proclamation of the "laws you made" in demanding something, can only be construed as a grinding down of the normal niceties of civilized discourse.

No the NYT are not the only ones in this business. Old CBC of Canada runs "Little Mosque on the Prairie" and I think another season looms. The Imam, a young edition of the late Rudolph Valentino, described as "metro sexual". He jokes and laughs. Yes, this is the Canadian mock up of an Imam.

Back we go to the hard staring faces of the real men in Canada. These men and wicked plots by afluent young men, to carry out terrorist acts coupled with the delays at airports are taking a toll. We non-muslims are only human after all.

66 posted on 09/05/2010 9:08:19 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: bareford101

I echo the words:... you can stop wondering.
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Let me add NO.


67 posted on 09/05/2010 9:10:08 PM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: savagesusie
"They could not honestly take the oath to be a citizen."

A couple have already been sworn into office & laid their hand on the Koran to take their oath, instead of the Bible.

68 posted on 09/05/2010 9:14:12 PM PDT by LADY J (Change your thoughts and you change your world.. - Norman Vincent Peale)
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To: quantim

There is no such thing as a muslim-American.

Two words that are incompatible.

Just as there is no such thing as a Christian-American.

It really is time to go after the whore writers, and make it personal
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And there is no such thing as an African-American, just like there is no such thing as a European-American...enough with the hyphenations already! You are either an AMERICAN or something else, but you cannot be both.


69 posted on 09/05/2010 9:14:15 PM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: Personal Responsibility

It could be that many muslims including the ‘moderates’ do not know all that the Koran is about , very much like people of other faiths who do not know of the teachings and obligations of their faith. However history has given a good indication of muslim intentions for the world.


70 posted on 09/05/2010 9:17:02 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Short answer: NO.

When I hear the word Muslim, I think “terrorist”.


71 posted on 09/05/2010 9:17:22 PM PDT by bopdowah ("Shove it down our throats in 2009 & we'll shove it up your ass in 2010!')
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To: Malone LaVeigh
Sorry. I'm sure you are nice folks as folks go, but its the koran.
Its a blueprint to destroy Nations that don't bend the knee to satan/Alah. And although it is true that satan (the Prince of the Power of the Air) is the god of this world - we won't bend our knee to him.

So chuck your koran, and pledge allegiance to the Flag and the Constitution - and you are welcome to stay.
Better yet - find Christ. Bend your knee to HIM and be saved.

72 posted on 09/05/2010 9:18:21 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
American Muslims Ask, Will We Ever Belong?

When satanallah welcomes you to hell, yes.

73 posted on 09/05/2010 9:24:46 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you, O you most proud, said the Lord God of hosts.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

“...Will we ever belong?”

NO! GET THE HELL OUT!


74 posted on 09/05/2010 9:26:39 PM PDT by rbosque (11 year Freeper! Combat Economist.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
American Muslims Ask, Will We Ever Belong?

No. And may I kindly add since you Muzzies don't belong here:

JUST GET OUT NOW!

Your cooperation in this matter is greatly appreciated. HAND and HTH.
75 posted on 09/05/2010 9:27:58 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: Nat Turner

“Pick one as the Koran and Constitution are virtually mutually exclusive...”

Very true. Islam teaches that the Koran is the EXACT word of Allah. They believe (logically) that man cannot create any law above God’s law as stated in the Koran. Therefore, true moslems cannot accept any civil authority above the Koran. Consent of the governed cannot supercede God’s law.


76 posted on 09/05/2010 9:29:42 PM PDT by Lou Budvis (Refudiate 0bama '12)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
Will We Ever Belong?

I seriously doubt it. And that's a shame. But as long as you guyz adhere to a bunch of beliefs that run counter to American morals and mores you won't. I won't belabor the point. Y'all know the beliefs I'm talking about.

77 posted on 09/05/2010 9:44:39 PM PDT by upchuck (If we let the federal gvmnt live beyond its means, we will soon have to live below ours. ~Joe Miller)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
The Mosque at Ground Zero is about SUBMISSION, not tolerance.
78 posted on 09/05/2010 9:47:20 PM PDT by upchuck (If we let the federal gvmnt live beyond its means, we will soon have to live below ours. ~Joe Miller)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
American Muslims Ask, Will We Ever Belong?

No, now get your terrorist enabling asses the hell out of our country before we wrap you in pig skin and drop you off over mecca.

Filthy bastards, they attack us, kill more than 3,000 people on our soil on 9-11 and then have the audacity to ask "will we ever belong?"

Not just no, but HELL F**KING NO!

79 posted on 09/05/2010 9:54:09 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Malone LaVeigh

“Now, many of those same Muslims say that all of those years of work are being rapidly undone by the fierce opposition to a Muslim cultural center near ground zero that has unleashed a torrent of anti-Muslim sentiments and a spate of vandalism.”

So why aren’t they more vocal in advising against the Mosque? Why have they not denounced all of the Wahhabi Mosques across America whose Imams are blatantly in support of terrorist Jihadists?

As far as vandalism is concerned I don’t put it past some Muslims committing vandalism themselves. I am really not overly concerned about how these Muslims who have allegedly worked so hard to become a part of our society feel. Until they publicly and in great numbers condemn Jihadists I don’t trust them.


80 posted on 09/05/2010 9:54:22 PM PDT by SkipW
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To: Malone LaVeigh

This was a news article.

Anyone needing to determine the state of the NYT as a PR front for the left, or whoever is opposing basic common America oon any given day - need look no further.

Straight propaganda. Not a dissenting point of view presented. No one to correct the absurd posturing, the silly self absorbed semi-comic poor me attitude.

As I read it - the whole point of view is anti-what makes America great. “Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country(men).” Where - where - do “moderate Muslims” ask what they can do to build the US?

Is the best they can do is whine, and infer negative things about their neighbors?


81 posted on 09/05/2010 9:54:47 PM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Nope.


82 posted on 09/05/2010 9:55:15 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, the mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: upchuck

Tell America to submit to you (meaning the Moose) with your swords and bombs, and the normally very friendly America will consider you unwelcome.


83 posted on 09/05/2010 9:56:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Eldon Tyrell

Of course the Moose idea of mutual benefit is for them to hack some of your heads off and rule the rest of you in terror. At least if the Koran is to be taken seriously.


84 posted on 09/05/2010 9:58:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Personal Responsibility

“It’s not who they are that bothers me. It’s what they do.”

But really, what we do IS who we are.


85 posted on 09/05/2010 10:04:16 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

I am the first one to say ‘no’. I’m mostly of the mind, throw them all out of the country.

But I had an experience today at work that although doesn’t make me think there should be mosques at ground zero, made me really see how awful these rotten Muslims are.

I had an elderly woman as a patient (I am a nurse). She was from Iran, and so her husband was as well. He remained at at her side all morning and she was discharged to home by the doctor. I went in to explain to them her discharge instructions. She was going home with prescriptions and had to take coumadin and lovenox (a blood thinnner) for three more doses. She was going to have to self inject.

They spoke Farsi, almost only Farsi. I imagine they came to America, because let’s face it, it’s lots better here.

I was patient and did my best, and the two of them, like the older generation we all know, were polite and grateful and said ‘thank you’ to me over and over again. I’m pretty sure they were trying to show me ‘we are good people, not bad people, like what have been in the news’. I could see they were trying so hard to show me and feeling so uncomfortable about all the recent things happening regarding the Muslim reputation lately. They were just like our much more respectful older generation, which I wish was the bulk of our nation, sad to say , it is not. To me that generation is the best one, the sweet older ones.

I could feel they felt uncomfortable, they made a little joke when the husband used gestures and broken English, to expain he knew how to give the injection. They tried to show me they were trying to be good patients and respectful people.

When they were discharged they waited in the lobby for a cab that nevere did come for over an hour and a half. I found this out because I discovered the husband left behind his cell phone, glasses and personal belongings in the room. He was old and forgetful.

I re-called the cab. Their daughter instead finally was able to come and get them to take them home. No cab ever showed, after another hour.

After another two hours they came back to the hospital, and asked if I’d give the evening shot of Lovenox, they were not sure about the daughter doing it ‘right’ I showed her how and gave the injection.

I did honestly felt sorry for them. They seemed just an elderly couple facing the awful truth about getting old, it’s hard. You’re weak, your memory going, don’t walk too good, fears of what’s ahead. After I gave the shot the husband said “I pray for God to bless you, you have been a good nurse to us”. He was so very sincere when he said this.

I really did feel bad for them.

They are not all enemies, and I hate the Muslim thing going on right now, I really do, but they are not ALL bad. I feel sorry for what they must feel like, and are going through.

And that is the problem with dirty rotten murderers, who declaring religion gives them the right. They speak for God, they don’t even know him, and he one day will say “I never even knew you”.

But innocent people are hurt, on both sides.

Not to say there isn’t a big problem with the Muslim terrorists, the clandestine acts, lies, deceits and plans they have. It’s not to be tolerated and I do believe this is OUR country, and it’s to remain OUR country, with our laws respected; but I do want to say, there are some good Muslims, and they too are being hurt by this.


86 posted on 09/05/2010 10:09:00 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: LADY J

Right, but the actual words they say are lies and the Koran tells them to lie to the infidels.
They are given carte blanche to lie by that horrid book they are putting their hand on. We SHOULD NEVER allow people to take an oath with a book that gives permission to lie and kill infidels (us). How stupid and suicidal.

Great article on what these politicians are trying to do to us by massive immigration and cultural marxism.

http://www.rense.com/general86/killatree.htm


87 posted on 09/05/2010 10:14:00 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Like illegals and every other 3rd World parasite brought to the US...if we STOP welfare and social services, they WILL NOT COME. Democrats scream compassion when they mean “votes”.


88 posted on 09/05/2010 10:15:17 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: DakotaRed
Exactly....when they stand up to those waving banners for Sharia Law...and signs that read death to America...then I'd believe some might be in the position to drop Islam altogether and become American... but they cannot wear the banner of Islam and be an American...their “Book” calls us infidels and worthy of death..and they are under obligation to do just that...politically and otherwise... So the answer is NO...not now and not never...their Koran forbids their assimilation so why are they crying crocodile tears. It's all a front and a lie....
89 posted on 09/05/2010 10:15:20 PM PDT by caww
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Hold a convention representing all practicing American Muslims. Send representatives from every mosque in the U.S. As a body, renounce Sharia law and swear allegiance to the Constitution of the United States and all its principles.

I’d be a lot friendlier after that.


90 posted on 09/05/2010 10:17:47 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (March 2010: Congress shoved Obamacare down our throats. November 2010: We will shove it back!)
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To: DakotaRed

Knifed by a Leftist setting it up for the Right to be blamed.


91 posted on 09/05/2010 10:17:57 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Shove you Koran up your pedophile Prophet’s arse.

Here is the rub:

We do not want you here, we do not share anything but the same race and your idology is incompatable with ours and vice-versa.

I lump Muslims in the same category as Liberals.

Let’s do some math: The most Liberal Senator and President in our Nation’s history who also happens to be Muslim.

Oh Sh*t.


92 posted on 09/05/2010 10:20:35 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: sonic109

George W. Bush


93 posted on 09/05/2010 10:23:28 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: SkipW

Because Liberalism is the idea that you load the gun of your killer, after you make him dinner and wash his clothes and hand him the keys of the getaway car.

It’s a sickness.

Did you note the author’s last name?


94 posted on 09/05/2010 10:25:16 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: gidget7
They will never have a “good chance” of assimilating....their Koran and their beliefs forbid that... separate from making Islam the only religion and our governance Islamic governance....that is their agenda...that is their calling.. and that is what Islam and their Koran teach. It has been so for centuries and nothing but renouncing and turning away from their ideology/Islam will change the way they are headed here.

The article was full of victumhood....they project themselves as the victim's because it works to gather sympathy from stupid politicians and the general public. Not one apologized for what their people are doing worldwide...of course they won't either...it's not one incident here or there...it's about their people who are doing these things because of Islam...it's a deadly and despicable ideology that has brainwashed their entire race. Every country that has let them in is either now an Islamic country or at war to become one. We're next and that is what this is all about.....

95 posted on 09/05/2010 10:30:21 PM PDT by caww
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To: Malone LaVeigh
The knifing of a Muslim cab driver in New York City has also alarmed many American Muslims.

And yet honor killings and beheadings raise nary an eyebrow.

96 posted on 09/05/2010 10:45:35 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (It's easy being a communist when you're rich.)
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To: Beowulf9
...there are some good Muslims...

I respectfully disagree.

I may be cold-hearted but your narrative failed to move me one iota. They are a cancer and the intersection of what's good and Muslims forms the null set.

No exceptions.

97 posted on 09/05/2010 10:58:43 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Yes, they can belong once they embrace the Way and the Light and stop following that false prophet.


98 posted on 09/05/2010 10:58:58 PM PDT by FreedomFighter1013 (Obama: President Zero)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

The fact that they even ask this question makes me believe they are incredibly stupid, in addition to their delusional religious beliefs.

“No” is a complete sentence.


99 posted on 09/05/2010 11:26:18 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

>Will we ever belong?<

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Will you ever want to belong? Have you ever wanted to belong anywhere unless it was on your terms?


100 posted on 09/05/2010 11:30:02 PM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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